(09-12-2017 01:42 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 12:21 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:03 AM)nole Wrote:  Think ND's entire image is being unique and almost all of that seems tied up in being independent and little else. I think they will feel 'no longer unique' if they join a conference.

If they do, the B1G $$$ will win out. Too much of a gap.

ND is locked into the ACC until 2036, so today's revenue gap will not affect any decision ND might make at that time. The long term financial competitiveness of the ACC with the B1G and the SEC will depend on how successful the ACCN. While the the B1G and the SEC are likely to continue to have some amount of advantage, the ACCN can go a long way to closing the gap.

ND wants nothing to do with the Big Ten, IMO. While ND does have few rivalries with some Big Ten schools, I'm starting to believe that ND would rather shut its doors for good than to ever be affiliated with the Big Ten. With the ACC though, strange as it might seem, I think ND may finally found a conference it can/could call "home." The ACC has many things that ND really likes, and compared to other P5 conferences, the ACC has most private school members, something else ND really likes.

All true, and hockey doesn't count.

ND does not want to put football in a conference, any conference.

But its ACC deal at least signifies that, with pistol to head, ND would rather put football in the ACC than the Big Ten, by a long shot.

(09-12-2017 12:25 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 10:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 03:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 05:18 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(09-08-2017 12:08 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND is 60-31 under Brian Kelly. The sky is not falling.

As far a full conference membership, this is from the linked article:

"And Swarbrick wouldn't change a thing. Notre Dame is proud of its independence in football; time and again the university looked at joining a conference and decided against it. Notre Dame's decades-long dalliance with the Big Ten ended in the late '90s, and the school's one-foot-in, one-foot-out arrangement with the Atlantic Coast Conference has made both sides happy."

Sorry, ESPN, ND will not be changing its independent football status. However, they may be changing their HC's status if he does not prove up to the challenge. Kelly is a good coach but not an elite coach. He needs to end the season annually in the top 25 with several appearances in the top 10.

So long as the ACC and ND are content with the arrangement, why change it?

Notre Dame will join the ACC eventually, maybe not for the launch of the ACCN, but eventually.

"In the year 2525....".

I think its more likely ND agrees to one more ACC game in exchange for access to the ACC championship game.

I really don't think that ND ever thinks that way. I don't think it has any interest in such a "gimmick".

It would rather things stay status quo.

(09-12-2017 09:05 AM)IHAVETRIED Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 06:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 12:25 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 10:21 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 03:52 PM)XLance Wrote:  Notre Dame will join the ACC eventually, maybe not for the launch of the ACCN, but eventually.

"In the year 2525....".

I think its more likely ND agrees to one more ACC game in exchange for access to the ACC championship game.

They might, but that's not happening (ACC CG will cost at least 3 more games). I doubt anything changes until Notre Dame football is so beat down by losing to ACC teams that the ACC wouldn't benefit that much anyway.

I would like to see ND vs ACC records, as compared with ND vs other P5 Conf records. Last three years or four.

Before last year's 4-8 debacle, ND was 7-3 versus the ACC since the agreement.

Those losses were by 2 points at Clemson, a last minute loss 4 point loss at FSU (where ND's late touchdown was nullified by the "push off" call) and a 3 point loss at ND on a late game winning field goal by Louisville.

So, until last year, ND only lost to the ACC's "cream of the crop" and only by a couple of points in each game.

The ACC kicked ND's ass last year, but then again, so did everyone else.

I am hopeful that last year was an anomaly. Time will tell.

(09-12-2017 08:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The ACC kicked ND's ass last year, but then again, so did everyone else.

I am hopeful that last year was an anomaly. Time will tell.

Virginia Tech says

(09-12-2017 10:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The ACC kicked ND's ass last year, but then again, so did everyone else.

I am hopeful that last year was an anomaly. Time will tell.

Virginia Tech says

Yeah, that was put of last year's debacle, as I said.

That game, too, was a 3 point Tech win, 34-31 after ND blew a 24-7 lead in the third quarter.

(09-12-2017 10:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The ACC kicked ND's ass last year, but then again, so did everyone else.

I am hopeful that last year was an anomaly. Time will tell.

Virginia Tech says

Yeah, that was put of last year's debacle, as I said.

That game, too, was a 3 point Tech win, 34-31 after ND blew a 24-7 lead in the third quarter.

I see that as VT blew a 0-0 tie in the 1st quarter but came back to win.

(09-13-2017 05:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:32 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 10:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 08:01 PM)TerryD Wrote:  The ACC kicked ND's ass last year, but then again, so did everyone else.

I am hopeful that last year was an anomaly. Time will tell.

Virginia Tech says

Yeah, that was put of last year's debacle, as I said.

That game, too, was a 3 point Tech win, 34-31 after ND blew a 24-7 lead in the third quarter.

I see that as VT blew a 0-0 tie in the 1st quarter but came back to win.

It's on!

Dang Mark, I saw "VT" and "0-0 tie" first and threw up in my mouth a little thinking of that Wake score a few years ago...

Anyway, I think Notre Dame's "demise" in college football is overplayed - like all things in life, college football has evolved. I think Notre Dame still holds significance in the landscape, nor do I find it necessary for them to join a conference to be relevant in the national title picture. They might have a tougher road in some years due to their scheduling, but hey, if you are a top-notch recruit the national exposure you'll get at Notre Dame is a big incentive.

I tend to think Notre Dame's issues have less to do with independence, lack of influence as THE Catholic program, or anything else, but more that they just haven't had an elite coach in charge of the program for a long time. It's become pretty clear in the last decade of college football that you need a guy like that at the helm, and while Brian Kelly has shown that he can be a very good coach, I don't think anyone would argue that he's an elite coach on the level of Saban, Meyer or even Dabo.

(09-13-2017 07:28 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Dang Mark, I saw "VT" and "0-0 tie" first and threw up in my mouth a little thinking of that Wake score a few years ago...

I've successfully put VT 0-0 WF out of my mind...

Eventually the football independence guard will died off and coupled with a loss of relevance in the quest for a national championship, the next generation of Notre Dame fans will want to join The ACC. "The only variable is time", case point the Irish installed lights and now play night games. Again, the clock is ticking.

(09-13-2017 11:38 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 07:28 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Dang Mark, I saw "VT" and "0-0 tie" first and threw up in my mouth a little thinking of that Wake score a few years ago...

I've successfully put VT 0-0 WF out of my mind...

Ha. If there were ever a moment for that stupid "triggered" meme to be appropriate, it was right there for me.

(09-13-2017 11:56 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Eventually the football independence guard will died off and coupled with a loss of relevance in the quest for a national championship, the next generation of Notre Dame fans will want to join The ACC. "The only variable is time", case point the Irish installed lights and now play night games. Again, the clock is ticking.

If so, which I dispute, then that clock is one that measures time in decades, not minutes, hours or anything else.

(09-13-2017 02:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 11:56 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Eventually the football independence guard will died off and coupled with a loss of relevance in the quest for a national championship, the next generation of Notre Dame fans will want to join The ACC. "The only variable is time", case point the Irish installed lights and now play night games. Again, the clock is ticking.

If so, which I dispute, then that clock is one that measures time in decades, not minutes, hours or anything else.

We are giving you all the time you need, not all of the time you want.

(09-13-2017 03:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 02:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 11:56 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Eventually the football independence guard will died off and coupled with a loss of relevance in the quest for a national championship, the next generation of Notre Dame fans will want to join The ACC. "The only variable is time", case point the Irish installed lights and now play night games. Again, the clock is ticking.

If so, which I dispute, then that clock is one that measures time in decades, not minutes, hours or anything else.

We are giving you all the time you need, not all of the time you want.

If ND wants to throw away decades of tradition & slip into irrelevancy just to hold onto an outdated & now meaningless "independent" title in football then that's their prerogative. If they do though they better lower their admission standards for their athletes or their brand will continue to decline. As for now, the deal is good for the ACC.


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(09-14-2017 08:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 03:19 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 02:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 11:56 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Eventually the football independence guard will died off and coupled with a loss of relevance in the quest for a national championship, the next generation of Notre Dame fans will want to join The ACC. "The only variable is time", case point the Irish installed lights and now play night games. Again, the clock is ticking.

If so, which I dispute, then that clock is one that measures time in decades, not minutes, hours or anything else.

We are giving you all the time you need, not all of the time you want.

If ND wants to throw away decades of tradition & slip into irrelevancy just to hold onto an outdated & now meaningless "independent" title in football then that's their prerogative. If they do though they better lower their admission standards for their athletes or their brand will continue to decline. As for now, the deal is good for the ACC.


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When there were many independents and everyone played the same amount of games, it was far easier for Notre Dame as an independent. Now, with only a handful of independents and most conferences having a 13th (and possibly 14th game, see MWC Hawaii rule), Notre Dame is in a pickle. I am a strong advocate for smaller, more regional conferences and more independents. However, that is not the way it is going.

I predict the status quo for ND until at least 2036, if not longer.

Even then, there will be threads like this on various message boards......

Terry, I think Notre Dame has a historic legacy in football, but the Notre Dame Football Empire is now closer to a Fall than a Rise.

I tend to agree with Terry here and disagree with those who think that Notre Dame is destined to become just another P5 program.

In fact, I think the scheduling alignment between Notre Dame & the ACC is pretty genius in a lot of ways and helps keep some of the mystique around the program. It allows ND to remain independent, yet spreads out the games among ACC members enough for it to be special each time those ACC fanbases visit South Bend. It will still be a special pilgrimage to many due to infrequency - if they become just another ACC foe, I think they lose a lot of that. The ACC also brings value to Notre Dame's contract with NBC by ensuring that NBC will get to showcase ND home games against the likes of FSU in 2018, VT in 2019, etc. Vice versa, ND brings value to the ACC's ESPN contract for ACC programs home games when ND visits.

I also think that Notre Dame's NBC contract is going to be seen as even more important in the coming years as cord-cutting continues and broadcast networks will increasingly become the base option for someone who wants a TV but won't or can't pay for cable. Yes, we're fragmenting more than ever in our entertainment options, but there's always going to be a base of people who will still own a TV that only shows basic channels.

Notre Dame is also still pumping out a ton of NFL players, which will always be important to elite recruits. I just don't see as many issues as others do. Sure, their role has diminished a bit over the years, but they still make tons of money and likely will continue to do so in the next 20 years.

(09-14-2017 12:03 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Terry, I think Notre Dame has a historic legacy in football, but the Notre Dame Football Empire is now closer to a Fall than a Rise.

I think you are seriously overstating things.

Notre Dame is about to add an ownership share of the ACC Network to go along with their exclusive NBC contract.

Can someone please explain how this is increasing the pressure to bring their football program to a conference?