(09-06-2017 04:26 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  Has Compher deleted his twitter account?

He deleted that after firing Ruff and never got it back to the best of my knowledge.

(09-06-2017 12:26 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  The fact that he was given an extension is criminal assuming there isn't a really cheap buyout.

You can't claim a breach in performance just for being really bad at your job. This is squarely on the admin and is really sad for ECU.

You can claim breach when being ridiculously bad is a breach of the contract. That's called freedom of contract and while there are restraints in NC, none apply here. I highlighted the pertinent clauses. Put it in the hands of a jury of peers (local Greenville/ECU fans) after arguments both ways and see where the chips fall.

People talking about the cost of litigation need to remember that such a pecuniary burden would be much more detrimental on Compher himself as an individual over an entire institution. That's why Compher would settle. No one is gonna feel sorry for that AH. Potential AD candidates would know he sucks and would welcome the opportunity to turn around a program in such bad shape (only way to go is up), with such a loyal fan base, in a fairly visible conference.

Notwithstanding, lawyers exploiting technicalities at times, the law simply does not reward jerks. It really comes down to common sense. The guy is not doing his job up to standards so he can be fired per the contract. Sometimes the pessimism and skepticism is strong here on this board. It is perhaps warranted in this case but that doesn't mean that there aren't options at the university's disposal.

This topic needs to be revisited. Do I need to recapitulate my points again. At this point what do we have to lose? Today's performance only strengthens the case.

I appreciate your desire to take this approach, but it just isn't going to happen.

(09-09-2017 01:12 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I appreciate your desire to take this approach, but it just isn't going to happen.

Things are going from bad to worse. At this point we can try it and even if we lost in court it would make Compher spend some money and he'd be forced to defend himself. That alone would be worth it for me & I would donate my hard earned cash towards such a fund. Based on the 'decisions' we are making and the direction we are going in, I think this is far from frivolous. In fact, I'd bet money that we would come out better as a University if we did go this route now. But we need to clean house from the top to bottom. There's no doubt about that.

(09-09-2017 01:12 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I appreciate your desire to take this approach, but it just isn't going to happen.

You may be right and I admire you as a long time rational and intelligent poster on this board but that doesn't mean that this isn't a conversation worth having. If we just accept the status quo then nothing will happen. Granted this is just a message board but it is a medium where discourse is facilitated. When people type in key words into google this thread will come up and at least make people think.

IMO, ECU has an affirmative duty to mitigate its damages and I submit that this is the best route for the points that I previously outlined. Furthermore, if a party acts in bad faith or with reckless disregard then it is in the courts discretion to award ECU the cost of legal fees as well. This is just another bargaining chip to use against Compher to settle for pennies on the dollar.

At first some of you at least tried to challenge my assertions on the merits. I urge you to do that but to say it's a cause not worth fighting for because it 'isn't going to happen' isn't a good reason if you ask me. I agree that our claim would have more merit if we completely cleaned house but either way it is our best option under these specific circumstances. Please look back at each of my posts/responses and let me know a little bit more why you are skeptical of such a scenario. I sincerely believe this is a viable and possibly even necessary move for our beloved university at this point.

As long as he keeps Lebo he is gold...

(09-09-2017 02:39 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  As long as he keeps Lebo he is gold...

It's actually really sad but Lebo's extension is now looking like the best move we've made since hiring JC.

Maybe baseball can at least turn it around.

(09-09-2017 01:12 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I appreciate your desire to take this approach, but it just isn't going to happen.

I don't and see it as nothing but counterproductive.

(09-09-2017 08:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-09-2017 01:12 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  I appreciate your desire to take this approach, but it just isn't going to happen.

I don't and see it as nothing but counterproductive.

Everyday he is employed is counterproductive. That's the truth. Now this won't get rid of him, but any ideas that could work are more productive than sitting back and letting him ruin what little there is left to ruin of ECU athletics.

If the trial is in Greenville the dude is toast.

Firing Ruff was literally the dumbest decision that man could have made. One of the biggest plagues of being outside of the P5 is the lack of stability. You get some momentum going and then your coach leaves. That wasn't going to happen at ECU under Ruff.

(09-10-2017 12:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the trial is in Greenville the dude is toast.

Firing Ruff was literally the dumbest decision that man could have made. One of the biggest plagues of being outside of the P5 is the lack of stability. You get some momentum going and then your coach leaves. That wasn't going to happen at ECU under Ruff.

I agree & what do we have to lose at this point? Regardless, he needs to be fired so we might as well put him on the spot to defend his actions and at least recoup some of that awful buyout?

Washington Post: LOSERS * East Carolina

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor...baf7f8dbb1

LOSERS

* East Carolina: Some coaching changes are puzzling, a feeling with a tendency to fade if the new coach fares as well or better than his predecessor. When things get worse — a lot worse — in a hurry, it’s easy to keep pointing to an odd decision.

Such is the case with the Pirates. Ruffin McNeill was a commendable 42-34 in six seasons. He is an East Carolina alum. But after posting a 5-7 mark that featured four one-possession losses in 2015, McNeill was ousted.

The Pirates went 3-9 in Scottie Montgomery’s first season, then opened this year with a 34-14 loss to FCS-level James Madison (as an underdog). Saturday, East Carolina lost, 56-20, at West Virginia after trailing 49-3 at the break and doesn’t look like a good bet to even match last year’s win total.

USA Today: East Carolina (LOSERS)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...650104001/

LOSERS

East Carolina: Things are getting ugly quickly in Greenville. It was a pretty big gamble for athletics director Jeff Compher to change coaches a couple years ago, pushing out an alumnus in Ruffin McNeill who had been fairly successful. Ever since then, the Pirates have been flat-out atrocious under Scottie Montgomery and were non-competitive in a 56-20 loss at West Virginia. Traditionally, these are the types of games where ECU is dangerous, but they were simply cannon fodder for West Virginia on Saturday, falling behind 49-3 at halftime. The Pirates are 0-2 and look like one of the worst teams in the American Athletic Conference.

Gator Sports

http://www.gatorsports.com/2017/09/sunda...ns-stoops/

Someone forgot to set the alarm clocks for East Carolina and Baylor. Nice starts. ECU, which inexplicably fired Ruffin McNeill two years ago, is now 3-10 under Scottie Montgomery and has opened the season with a loss to James Madison and a blowout loss to West Virginia.

ECU’s Football Team Is A Laughingstock This Year

http://thespun.com/college-football/ecus...-this-year

Logan Zone (skip to 19:00 mark)

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/rs/video/16938777/

East Carolina Sunk Its Own Ship

http://deadspin.com/east-carolina-sunk-i...1802094161

Meanwhile, Ruffin's doing a pretty good job as OU Assistant HC & that Defensive Line looked pretty damn good against the Buckeyes last night.

It's always someone at the bottom of the totem pole to go 1st. ECU relieves Kendwick Thompson of DC duties.

http://eastcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/E...-107249921

This is the guy coach Mo hand picked a couple years ago. Watching Lincoln Riley assume HC duties while continuing to call plays last night for OU made me question why coach Mo doesn't do the same. Then I remembered Mo had been relieved of those duties while at Duke and for some reason JC thought he was the right guy for the job and in that same vein Chancellor Staton thought JC was 5-year extension worthy.

(09-10-2017 12:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If the trial is in Greenville the dude is toast.

Firing Ruff was literally the dumbest decision that man could have made. One of the biggest plagues of being outside of the P5 is the lack of stability. You get some momentum going and then your coach leaves. That wasn't going to happen at ECU under Ruff.

Mo may well not have been the right guy (time will tell) but those of us that have watched from the stands know Ruff was not the guy either after Reilly left for Oklahoma. Ruff is great human being and a guy you love to have in your program as a position coach, motivator and recruiter. He is however a horrible X's and O's head coach. His defenses at TT were mediocre....His defenses at ECU were God awful. Everyone loves to point out that his team put 70 on UNC. They forget that UNC scored 41 that game...on our field. Navy is still scoring TDs on us now...He never had a damn clue what to do with Navy. When the O left for Oklahoma...Ruff had no clue what to do after that. That is what cost him his job.

(09-10-2017 01:07 PM)B easy Wrote:  Washington Post: LOSERS * East Carolina

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor...baf7f8dbb1

LOSERS

* East Carolina: Some coaching changes are puzzling, a feeling with a tendency to fade if the new coach fares as well or better than his predecessor. When things get worse — a lot worse — in a hurry, it’s easy to keep pointing to an odd decision.

Such is the case with the Pirates. Ruffin McNeill was a commendable 42-34 in six seasons. He is an East Carolina alum. But after posting a 5-7 mark that featured four one-possession losses in 2015, McNeill was ousted.

The Pirates went 3-9 in Scottie Montgomery’s first season, then opened this year with a 34-14 loss to FCS-level James Madison (as an underdog). Saturday, East Carolina lost, 56-20, at West Virginia after trailing 49-3 at the break and doesn’t look like a good bet to even match last year’s win total.

USA Today: East Carolina (LOSERS)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...650104001/

LOSERS

East Carolina: Things are getting ugly quickly in Greenville. It was a pretty big gamble for athletics director Jeff Compher to change coaches a couple years ago, pushing out an alumnus in Ruffin McNeill who had been fairly successful. Ever since then, the Pirates have been flat-out atrocious under Scottie Montgomery and were non-competitive in a 56-20 loss at West Virginia. Traditionally, these are the types of games where ECU is dangerous, but they were simply cannon fodder for West Virginia on Saturday, falling behind 49-3 at halftime. The Pirates are 0-2 and look like one of the worst teams in the American Athletic Conference.

Gator Sports

http://www.gatorsports.com/2017/09/sunda...ns-stoops/

Someone forgot to set the alarm clocks for East Carolina and Baylor. Nice starts. ECU, which inexplicably fired Ruffin McNeill two years ago, is now 3-10 under Scottie Montgomery and has opened the season with a loss to James Madison and a blowout loss to West Virginia.

ECU’s Football Team Is A Laughingstock This Year

http://thespun.com/college-football/ecus...-this-year

Logan Zone (skip to 19:00 mark)

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/rs/video/16938777/

East Carolina Sunk Its Own Ship

http://deadspin.com/east-carolina-sunk-i...1802094161

Meanwhile, Ruffin's doing a pretty good job as OU Assistant HC & that Defensive Line looked pretty damn good against the Buckeyes last night.

I am thrilled that Ruff landed this job. He is a great guy and deserves to end his career on a high note.

ECU. You guys really effed up

(09-11-2017 12:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  ECU. You guys really effed up

Ruff's faults listed in this thread are true. I was at the last game he coached against Cindy and the clock management was awful. Lost on a field goal as time expired.
However, it's not like he never won a game. He should have gotten 1 more year and if he didn't work out there would have been time to find a replacement. Compher fired him with no clue for a successor.
ECU football came into the AAC from a good position. 2 recent conference championships, a 10 win season, the first G5* team in the playoff poll.
Compher, the BOT, idiot big money boosters are destroying ECU football and athletics. The mechanism is now in place for this to continue.

maybe your in a tougher conf

(09-11-2017 01:31 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  maybe your in a tougher conf

We are, but that has nothing to do with the unmitigated disaster it appears Coach Mo is. Has nothing to do with the horrible thought process that lead Compher to fire a coach that while had plenty of faults put a competitive product on the field and won OOC games against "name" opponents. He took a huge swing and missed. I didn't have a problem with it at the time but also fully understood it was a huge risk that could big time blow up in our faces. Well it has in the worst possible way, but then has been compounded by leadership at the very top extending Compher for no rational reason prior to the start of the season. Without that extension my thought process right now would be Mo's gonna get to play out the season and if it keeps going like this we'll clean house and start over. Now even if we go 0-12 I don't know if ECU can afford to clean house. You are looking at well over 3 million in buyouts to fire Mo and Compher and then whatever you would have to spend on their replacements. That's probably not feasible unless ECU just decides to shelve the stadium expansion.