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Stabilizing Obamacare
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RE: Stabilizing Obamacare
(09-08-2017 03:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ss...obile_home

I applaud their efforts, but at the end of the day this puppy ain't fixable. The only viable fix is a complete do-over. I continue to be amazed that the left seems to think that we can legislate away the basic laws of economics.
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RE: Stabilizing Obamacare
Probably some workable ideas in there, such as this-

Quote:That's because while there are expenses involved, there are corresponding savings because these both could hold down customer premiums -- and therefore hold down the amount of subsidies the government provides to help people pay those premiums.

So, this will help "hold down premiums"...

How you do that when there is no one offering plans to pay a freaking premium on in the first place? Anthem just quit Virginia, don't even know yet what will be left for folks to choose from. ???
09-08-2017 04:12 PM
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(09-08-2017 03:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(09-08-2017 03:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ss...obile_home

I applaud their efforts, but at the end of the day this puppy ain't fixable. The only viable fix is a complete do-over. I continue to be amazed that the left seems to think that we can legislate away the basic laws of economics.

Well, they've only been trying that for 50+ years or more. Maybe THIS time they get it juuuuuust right. 07-coffee3
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Obama---"Hey, Ive got an idea. Lets give the the poor and insurance companies trillions and we can steal it from the middle class!!"

Pelosi--Sounds awsome!!! Can we let some illegal aliens get the money too?

Harry Ried---Yeah!! Im all for what that old fish eyed lady said. Can we do that??

Obama---"Of course!!! What do I care? Im not paying for it. Hell, Ill never pay for it. Those middle class gun loving church going suckers we hate will get the bill. It will be some other dudes problem by the time they figure out they were screwed. lol. Just tell them everyone will be covered, they can keep their doctor, and they will save money. Just be sure not to let anyone read it before you pass it"

Pelosi---DONE!!!!!


Reid---Im with the old fish eyed chick!


Republicans---Can we vote already?? Ive got a tee time.
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(09-08-2017 03:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ss...obile_home

nope.

elections have consequences.
09-08-2017 05:39 PM
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If the Dems get their act together and quit being hateful, there are enough weak Republicans that would join them to get enough votes. If it were to be put on the President's desk, odds are decent he would sign it.
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RE: Stabilizing Obamacare
Stabilizing Obamacare is like trying to stabilize a house built upon sand. You might temporarily make things better but eventually it's going to implode because it's not structurally sound.
09-08-2017 09:02 PM
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(09-08-2017 09:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Stabilizing Obamacare is like trying to stabilize a house built upon sand. You might temporarily make things better but eventually it's going to implode because it's not structurally sound.

they call that the san francisco rice a roni, eh? 03-wink

little known fact.....a.p. giannini founded the bank of america there after the great quake in '06....

#immigrantirony
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(09-08-2017 03:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ss...obile_home

Some abstract of what the story says?
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RE: Stabilizing Obamacare
Bottom line----Gov. John Kasich just wants to throw more money at the insurance companies and ignore the fact that insurance rates rose 200 to 300% (more in some cases) while the reinsurance packages WERE STILL IN PLACE. Clearly, "uncertainty" over reinsurance and subsidy payments arent the reason insurance rates were rocketing higher because they were shooting upward when there was no "uncertainty" and the reinsurance and subsidy payments were in place.

As pointed out before---the issue with Obamacare is structual. Not to mention this proposal does absolutely NOTHING to address the fact that health insurance has become unaffordable for many middle class families. Worse yet, as the monthly health insurance bill has grown to be larger than many people's mortgage payment, the number of middle class families forced to go without health insurance is rising rapidly every year.

The Kasich option is not a solution---its just another day in the typical kick the can down the road Washington business as usual atmosphere. Im very dissappointed in him. He was my guy during the primaries. Now Im kinda glad he didnt win.
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RE: Stabilizing Obamacare
I could see Trump coming out for these kind of ideas. His practical side seems to be coming out finally and health care is an issue longing for bipartisan cover instead of a partisan and policially difficult unilateral repeal. The moderate Reps plus Dems plus Rep Governors could easily get enough goodwill and get some of these ideas passed and get the issue of the table so Trump can move onto some of his bigger priorities. And like the debt ceiling compromise he'd get some positive press, which he clearly values. I think Obamacare has some issues, but they are fixable and if you get bipartisan cover and stability, it could find a workable steady state.
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RE: Stabilizing Obamacare
(09-08-2017 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Bottom line----Gov. John Kasich just wants to throw more money at the insurance companies and ignore the fact that insurance rates rose 200 to 300% (more in some cases) while the reinsurance packages WERE STILL IN PLACE. Clearly, "uncertainty" over reinsurance and subsidy payments arent the reason insurance rates were rocketing higher because they were shooting upward when there was no "uncertainty" and the reinsurance and subsidy payments were in place.

As pointed out before---the issue with Obamacare is structual. Not to mention this proposal does absolutely NOTHING to address the fact that health insurance has become unaffordable for many middle class families. Worse yet, as the monthly health insurance bill has grown to be larger than many people's mortgage payment, the number of middle class families forced to go without health insurance is rising rapidly every year.

The Kasich option is not a solution---its just another day in the typical kick the can down the road Washington business as usual atmosphere. Im very dissappointed in him. He was my guy during the primaries. Now Im kinda glad he didnt win.

Kasich is done in Ohio. He has ticked off too many people. Used to like him but not any more. He's a Rino.

Insurance premiums will continue to rise if people are allowed to go without insurance and then jump into an insurance pool once they are sick. Insurance premiums will continue to rise if insurers can only charge the sicker/older the same price as the well/young.

There has to be a steep penalty for going without coverage (like 6-12 month wait to cover pre-existing conditions if there has been an unexplained lapse in coverage) so that people reconsider taking the risk of going without insurance. (Insurers should cover pre-existing conditions for those who have continuously carried insurance.) The chronically sick and older have to pay higher premiums/deductibles (not outrageously higher but higher) because they carry a much higher likelihood of needing/using their insurance coverage.

Younger drivers, male drivers, those who have frequent accidents, those who get a lot of speeding tickets — all pay higher rates for auto insurance because they carry a much higher likelihood of needing/using their insurance coverage.
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You can't stabilize a corpse.
09-09-2017 09:02 AM
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QQ Mach,

Why does this need stabilizing? were those who said this was a house of cards, 7 years ago, right?
09-09-2017 09:18 AM
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Obamacare has some structural issues to be sure, but it's workable. One of its bigger issues is image since it was pushed through with only Dem votes and since been a political cattle prod used by Reps on their base. So by definition half of the country distrusts it. The exact same thing would happen if the Reps did repeal and replace. And then the Dems would run against replace and we would ping pong back and forth with no stability which really hurts long term strategic planning for insurance companies, hospitals, and doctors. And patients also face coverage uncertainty. A bipartisan bill with ideas like Kasich suggests would slow down or even stop the uncertainty cycle and assuage the industry's anxieties about potential unvetted and rapid changes. The true believers on both sides would be dismayed but everyone else would be glad to move forward.
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(09-09-2017 09:44 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Obamacare has some structural issues to be sure, but it's workable. One of its bigger issues is image since it was pushed through with only Dem votes and since been a political cattle prod used by Reps on their base. So by definition half of the country distrusts it. The exact same thing would happen if the Reps did repeal and replace. And then the Dems would run against replace and we would ping pong back and forth with no stability which really hurts long term strategic planning for insurance companies, hospitals, and doctors. And patients also face coverage uncertainty. A bipartisan bill with ideas like Kasich suggests would slow down or even stop the uncertainty cycle and assuage the industry's anxieties about potential unvetted and rapid changes. The true believers on both sides would be dismayed but everyone else would be glad to move forward.

I want no part of Obamacare or Obamacare 2.0.
I want the insurance I had before Obamacare blew everything else.

Before Obamacare I never worried about my health insurance or paying my premiums/deductibles.
I did't have to think twice about getting care if I needed it. Obamacare sucks.
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(09-09-2017 10:25 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(09-09-2017 09:44 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Obamacare has some structural issues to be sure, but it's workable. One of its bigger issues is image since it was pushed through with only Dem votes and since been a political cattle prod used by Reps on their base. So by definition half of the country distrusts it. The exact same thing would happen if the Reps did repeal and replace. And then the Dems would run against replace and we would ping pong back and forth with no stability which really hurts long term strategic planning for insurance companies, hospitals, and doctors. And patients also face coverage uncertainty. A bipartisan bill with ideas like Kasich suggests would slow down or even stop the uncertainty cycle and assuage the industry's anxieties about potential unvetted and rapid changes. The true believers on both sides would be dismayed but everyone else would be glad to move forward.

I want no part of Obamacare or Obamacare 2.0.
I want the insurance I had before Obamacare blew everything else.

Before Obamacare I never worried about my health insurance or paying my premiums/deductibles.
I did't have to think twice about getting care if I needed it. Obamacare sucks.

Healthcare coverage is definitely very personal with strong opinions all around. Which is why the next step has to be bipartisan. If the Reps go it alone, whatever replace is will be abhored by half the country with personal horror stories abound. And the Dems would then get power and replace it and start the cycle again. We have to stop the cycle with a bipartisan solution that gives the system a break from partisan spin. I think Trump sees this, and his last tweet on the subject suggests he has no more appetite for repeal. My guess if a viable bipartisan deal is presented to him he will jump in it at this point.
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He gave the GOP every opportunity to do what they said they would do. Perhaps now it's time to just get something done. Personally I liked Ted Cruz's plan.
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(09-09-2017 10:43 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  
(09-09-2017 10:25 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(09-09-2017 09:44 AM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Obamacare has some structural issues to be sure, but it's workable. One of its bigger issues is image since it was pushed through with only Dem votes and since been a political cattle prod used by Reps on their base. So by definition half of the country distrusts it. The exact same thing would happen if the Reps did repeal and replace. And then the Dems would run against replace and we would ping pong back and forth with no stability which really hurts long term strategic planning for insurance companies, hospitals, and doctors. And patients also face coverage uncertainty. A bipartisan bill with ideas like Kasich suggests would slow down or even stop the uncertainty cycle and assuage the industry's anxieties about potential unvetted and rapid changes. The true believers on both sides would be dismayed but everyone else would be glad to move forward.

I want no part of Obamacare or Obamacare 2.0.
I want the insurance I had before Obamacare blew everything else.

Before Obamacare I never worried about my health insurance or paying my premiums/deductibles.
I did't have to think twice about getting care if I needed it. Obamacare sucks.

Healthcare coverage is definitely very personal with strong opinions all around. Which is why the next step has to be bipartisan. If the Reps go it alone, whatever replace is will be abhored by half the country with personal horror stories abound. And the Dems would then get power and replace it and start the cycle again. We have to stop the cycle with a bipartisan solution that gives the system a break from partisan spin. I think Trump sees this, and his last tweet on the subject suggests he has no more appetite for repeal. My guess if a viable bipartisan deal is presented to him he will jump in it at this point.

On this we can agree.
But the Democrats set the tone by going it alone the first time.
They should own the mess that they made and work with the Republicans come up with something better.
But they won't.
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