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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-03-2017 04:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  The question changes from the chase for Texas to how does the Texas Market get divided? Which has been the question all along.
Three conferences have to be satisfied. I say three, because I think because of politics, the PAC schools have removed themselves from the expansion equation.

Delany did everybody in college football a favor by leaving the ESPN tent and starting the BTN. He allowed the market to seek the proper dollar level for P level football. Remember Delany said he would have never left ESPN if they had agreed to pay the Big Ten more.
How do we placate the B1G and Delany. ESPN gives them back what they took from them (Missouri), so they can pair the Tigers with Kansas.


So what about the ACC and the SEC where ESPN has vested interests?
With the SEC down to 13 teams it is necessary to add three to get to 16. Oklahoma is a no brainer, but to get them, yep!, it means Oklahoma State. But for #16? Tough call. West Virginia? Remember we are dividing the Texas market. So how do we add to the SEC's share of Texas (A&M with LSU handles the Houston area, Oklahoma would take case of DFW)and add the one other thing we are missing (a rival for Oklahoma State) you invite the second Texas school that you need, Texas Tech.
For the ACC?
For starters you allow Notre Dame to enter the league at their own pace (which may be several years down the road) but in addition to Texas add TCU.
DFW presence is not only good for the ACC but would also bode well for the Irish in that is gives a good "stage" for ACC product is Texas.

That's it, we're done. No need to celebrate, throw confetti or dance a jig. Everybody goes away with what they wanted or needed. Perfect? Perfect was never going to happen and keep everybody happy
ESPN gets what they need out of the B1G, the SEC and the ACC. Six regions (one stretched) that are pretty distinctive and pretty well balanced.

B1G west:
Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW, Ill
B1G east:
Purdue, Indiana, Mich, Mich St, Ohio St,. Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State
SEC east:
Kentucky, Tenn, Ala, Auburn, Ga, so. carolina, Florida, Miss. State

ACC west:
TCU, Texas, Miami, Louisville, Virginia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, BC
ACC east:
Florida St., Clemson, Ga. Tech, Carolina, State, Duke, Wake Forest, UVa
currently partial and future member: Notre Dame.

Missouri doesn't have to leave.

Kansas and Notre Dame head to the Big 10. Why? If we are moving to a P4 and N.D. has to join all in somewhere, they will go for the cash. That's what church schools do. That gives Delany his football brand, control over his city markets in the Northwest and Northeast and make the Yankees very damned happy!

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State join the SEC. Texas, Texas Tech, and T.C.U. join the ACC out right and everybody is happy. The ACC and ESPN let the Irish out of their contract and voila. ESPN owns Texas and Oklahoma outright the same way they own the rest of the SEC and ACC. There's your happy ending. BTW: Texas all in is far more valuable to the ACC (and your regional rights money from Tech & T.C.U. giving you triple dip into Texas) than any darned arrangement for 5 games with a has been private.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
Over the last few weeks the money argument has been debunked.

http://scout.com/college/north-carolina/...-106509866

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/spo...600363001/

If there is a big discrepancy in dollars. Any school not keeping up would be looking for a new athletic director instead of a new conference.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
And yes, Missouri does have to leave


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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-03-2017 08:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  And yes, Missouri does have to leave


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Auburn gets 11 million a year for under armor. Louisville is just catching up to what SEC schools already do.

There's no reason for Missouri to leave, none.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-03-2017 08:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(09-03-2017 08:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  And yes, Missouri does have to leave


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Auburn gets 11 million a year for under armor. Louisville is just catching up to what SEC schools already do.

There's no reason for Missouri to leave, none.

But they will.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
Well, I don't see ESPN doing the B1G any favors until they back away from FOX. That would essentially be throwing away content.

I think ESPN will try to get everything they can under one roof.

I do agree though that the PAC has essentially strategized themselves out of making any big additions.

How to divide Texas?

Consider the broader implications...

Texas - Will be a strong brand no matter which league they join. A big boost to the ACC, not as much of a boost to the SEC. More rivals will be contained in the SEC though so the schedule will be more favorable.

Texas Tech - Will likely follow UT due to political considerations. Not a particularly good fit for the ACC. A decent fit for the SEC although the travel would still be somewhat difficult.

TCU - Hasn't quite shed the upstart status, but they have potential due to their location in the heart of DFW. Probably a better fit in the ACC.

Baylor - Will essentially wither into obscurity if they lose Power status. The American is a reasonable destination although I think there's an outside chance a Power league takes them if it's necessary to get UT. Not sure if the TX politicos will fight for them this time, but I think it depends on how much punishment the institution receives. If they take the brunt of it then perhaps the powers that be decide they've suffered enough.

Houston - ESPN already owns them in a cheap league and there's little threat of the B1G or PAC taking them. A promotion could maximize the market if Baylor is allowed to fall off, but it would depend. Part of me thinks UT will fight for them in the right circumstance. Being a state school, Power status could do quite a bit for the school and the state by extension. If Baylor is relegated then the networks really don't losing anything by giving UH the call up. In fact, they might gain more market penetration.

Oklahoma and Oklahoma State - Likely stick together and join the SEC

The broadest issue of all, of course, is what makes ESPN's investment in both leagues the most secure?

I would propose this...

SEC adds Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, and West Virginia

ACC adds Texas, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, and Notre Dame

B1G adds Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and UConn

Only Baylor is left out.

The SEC gets a heavy presence in DFW while getting a blue blood in OU, a solid program in OSU, and a presence in the Mid-Atlantic with WVU. We don't end up with the destabilizing presence of UT, but still maximize our exposure in the state of TX.

The ACC gets a brand name in UT with a little extra penetration in the state. Notre Dame comes in full and that allows them to take advantage of a decent market addition in UC.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
Real money

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?A...EM_ID=4200

Duke Athletics’ “Building Champions” fundraising effort was part of Duke Forward, which also benefitted all 10 of Duke’s graduate and undergraduate schools, Duke Libraries, Duke Health and a range of university-wide initiatives and programs. It began on July 1, 2010 with an original goal of $3.25 billion, and ended on June 30, 2017.

Originally featuring a goal of $250 million, Building Champions soared past the mark by $90 million thanks to the generous support of many alumni, parents and friends. The ambitious financial goal was initially separated into three categories – facility upgrades, scholarship / program endowment and operational support – and benefitted all 27 varsity sports, funding several priorities outlined in “Unrivaled Ambition, A Strategic Plan for Duke Athletics,” the department’s first strategic plan drafted in 2008


They're not worried about a few million dollars in TV money.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-03-2017 09:08 PM)XLance Wrote:  Real money

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?A...EM_ID=4200

Duke Athletics’ “Building Champions” fundraising effort was part of Duke Forward, which also benefitted all 10 of Duke’s graduate and undergraduate schools, Duke Libraries, Duke Health and a range of university-wide initiatives and programs. It began on July 1, 2010 with an original goal of $3.25 billion, and ended on June 30, 2017.

Originally featuring a goal of $250 million, Building Champions soared past the mark by $90 million thanks to the generous support of many alumni, parents and friends. The ambitious financial goal was initially separated into three categories – facility upgrades, scholarship / program endowment and operational support – and benefitted all 27 varsity sports, funding several priorities outlined in “Unrivaled Ambition, A Strategic Plan for Duke Athletics,” the department’s first strategic plan drafted in 2008


They're not worried about a few million dollars in TV money.

Sorry, but you can toot the ACC horn somewhere else. We're not impressed. Duke had better spend some money on football or they get left out in the future.
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
Texas A&M: what was that last night?

3rd Quarter: aTm 44, UCLA 10
Final Score: aTm 44, UCLA 45

!?!?!?
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RE: The Great Chase for Texas
(09-04-2017 07:13 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Texas A&M: what was that last night?

3rd Quarter: aTm 44, UCLA 10
Final Score: aTm 44, UCLA 45

!?!?!?

You were busy with another game, but with a minute to play in the 2nd quarter and the ball on UCLA's side of the field and holding a 38-10 lead Sumlin ran the clock out instead of trying to pick up 15 yards and kick a field goal.

In the 3rd quarter following a break and a good drive that took the Aggies to the 10 yard line of UCLA they attempted 3 passes instead of sticking to the ground game and kicked for 3. Another time they were stopped with a 4th and a little less than two yards and a chance to put the game away and instead kicked for 3. They never scored again.

All through the 3rd and 4th quarters the Aggies who had rushed the ball well for most of the night continued to toss incomplete passes instead of running clock. I started calculating this in the third quarter and just in that quarter alone the failed to shave 5 minutes off the clock. The 4th quarter was even worse. BTW the UCLA scored the winning points with 47 seconds left on the clock. Just saying!
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