(08-28-2017 03:04 PM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 02:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 02:37 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 01:26 PM)7 Wrote:  Huff has over 1300 yards rushing and 13 TDs the last two years. Let's not sit here and act like he was glued to the bench. He also was playing behind a RB who was super productive.

And let's not act like Huff is a player without warts. Go back to the Ohio game in 2015. He missed a block that directly led to Graham getting hurt. He also missed a block when Hare got hurt last year.

I personally would give the ball to huff 300+ times this year. I still think he's clearly the #1 guy and will get the majority of carries.

But let's not act like he's perfect. It's probably a mix of some his warts and as 81 said keeping him healthy.

Who's acting like he's perfect? It's just that you have to do a bunch wrong to make up for the extra 3 yards per carry he provides, at least last year. If Huff gets the majority of the carries and the other guys are mixed in, that works for me.

Huff tries to extend plays and break tackles, that alone puts him in the doghouse. Under Carey its all about getting off the field as quick as possible, not sure why but its much like Coach Montgomery in that those coaches are more at ease when the opposition has the ball. There is such an enormous fear of the "mistake", that it can be paralyzing. To these coaches, the basketball or football is seen as a hot potato, you don't want to be holding it.

You have got to be kidding me

Coach Montgomery actually came out and said it last year "I prefer when we are on defense". Some coaches have such a fear of players making mistakes, that it can be negative, I think Carey falls under that category. Carey would rather have the opposition make the mistake instead of trying to force the issue. You see the same thing with a coach like Lovie Smith. Sometimes it actually works, sometimes another team does mistake their way to give you the win. Its just hard to win consistently that way though. You just have to be some dominant defensively for that type of strategy to work

(08-28-2017 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  DONT QUOTE HIM

+1


I've had him on ignore for 2 weeks and I've never looked back. My life has changed forever for the better.

Alcohol, food and sex improved immediately.

Try it.
(Your mileage may vary.)

RB aren't like D-linemen. They don't need a rotation for fresh legs. On the contrary, many backs feel they get better the more carries they get.

How often did we go 2 back sets? I wouldn't mind doing that more with the talent at that position. It's the strongest position on O. Feature it and get creative.

(08-28-2017 03:17 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  RB aren't like D-linemen. They don't need a rotation for fresh legs. On the contrary, many backs feel they get better the more carries they get.

How often did we go 2 back sets? I wouldn't mind doing that more with the talent at that position. It's the strongest position on O. Feature it and get creative.

+1

BC will be hot and heavy after Graham.
What I would give for NIU to run an awesome screen pass.

(08-28-2017 03:17 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  RB aren't like D-linemen. They don't need a rotation for fresh legs. On the contrary, many backs feel they get better the more carries they get.

How often did we go 2 back sets? I wouldn't mind doing that more with the talent at that position. It's the strongest position on O. Feature it and get creative.

Wha? RB is arguably the most physically demanding position in sports.

(08-28-2017 03:06 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  ... Some coaches have such a fear of players making mistakes, that it can be negative, I think Carey falls under that category. Carey would rather have the opposition make the mistake instead of trying to force the issue. You see the same thing with a coach like Lovie Smith. Sometimes it actually works, sometimes another team does mistake their way to give you the win. Its just hard to win consistently that way though. You just have to be some dominant defensively for that type of strategy to work

Jim Tressel coached like that had had success. It takes an outstanding defense and it makes for low scoring games.

(08-28-2017 04:16 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 03:06 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  ... Some coaches have such a fear of players making mistakes, that it can be negative, I think Carey falls under that category. Carey would rather have the opposition make the mistake instead of trying to force the issue. You see the same thing with a coach like Lovie Smith. Sometimes it actually works, sometimes another team does mistake their way to give you the win. Its just hard to win consistently that way though. You just have to be some dominant defensively for that type of strategy to work

Jim Tressel coached like that had had success. It takes an outstanding defense and it makes for low scoring games.

Yep if you have an OSU defense, an 85 bears defense, or that one Raven defense that year, it can work. For 99.9999999 of others instances, doesn't end well. NIU could have a very good defense, but its not going to be some top 10 national defense that can carry a team by itself. I think we will see a trend in games this year of very closely played 1st halves, but opponents pulling away in the 2nd half as the defense wears down from being on the field forever.

(08-28-2017 03:32 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  BC will be hot and heavy after Graham.
What I would give for NIU to run an awesome screen pass.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but I know Carey hates those screen passes, too much room for a big error to occur if timing not right. Those are plays you have to put trust in your QB to have a touch. No doubt though, NIU could regularly gash opponents if they had some type of middle screen option.

Didn't BC pick off a screen pass last time? Or am I thinking of a different game?

(08-28-2017 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Didn't BC pick off a screen pass last time? Or am I thinking of a different game?

Ohio state had a pick 6 on a bubble which was pretty much the reason they won. Don't recall BC getting one, but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Worth pointing out that NIU's offense didn't do **** the last time they played BC. Only points came off a Lurry pick and return inside the 5 and a Turner kickoff return TD.

Man, went back and looked at that box score and NIU had 153 total yards that day. Hare was 11/25 for 81 yards and a pick.

(08-28-2017 04:37 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Didn't BC pick off a screen pass last time? Or am I thinking of a different game?

Ohio state had a pick 6 on a bubble which was pretty much the reason they won. Don't recall BC getting one, but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Worth pointing out that NIU's offense didn't do **** the last time they played BC. Only points came off a Lurry pick and return inside the 5 and a Turner kickoff return TD.

That's probably what I was thinking of then, the OSU game.

(08-28-2017 03:37 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 03:17 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  RB aren't like D-linemen. They don't need a rotation for fresh legs. On the contrary, many backs feel they get better the more carries they get.

How often did we go 2 back sets? I wouldn't mind doing that more with the talent at that position. It's the strongest position on O. Feature it and get creative.

Wha? RB is arguably the most physically demanding position in sports.

D-linemen need to rotate for cardio. RBs almost never need to for that. If you have a rotation at RB, that just means you don't have a clear cut #1. Yes they come out occasionally for a series here and here. But 250 carries on the season should be what you give a #1.

(08-28-2017 04:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  D-linemen need to rotate for cardio. RBs almost never need to for that. If you have a rotation at RB, that just means you don't have a clear cut #1. Yes they come out occasionally for a series here and here. But 250 carries on the season should be what you give a #1.

Right..."RBs almost never need to" come out of the game for cardio. What?

By the way there were only 20 college football players with 250+ rushing attempts last year. Two of them were QBs. 413 players had 50+ carries.

Would imagine the majority of RBs across college football are in a biiiit better shape than interior linemen, too.

(08-28-2017 05:10 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 04:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  D-linemen need to rotate for cardio. RBs almost never need to for that. If you have a rotation at RB, that just means you don't have a clear cut #1. Yes they come out occasionally for a series here and here. But 250 carries on the season should be what you give a #1.

Right..."RBs almost never need to" come out of the game for cardio. What?

By the way there were only 20 college football players with 250+ rushing attempts last year. Two of them were QBs. 413 players had 50+ carries.

I'll clarify for you...250 carries for an NIU RB. NIU has one of the highest run percentage rates in college football.

NIU rush att leaders:

'15 bouagnon -283
'13 Lynch. -292
'12 Lynch. -294
'10 span. -258
'07 Anderson -274
'06 Wolfe -309
'05 Wolfe. -242
'04 Wolfe. -256
'03 Turner. -310
'02 Turner -338
'01 Hammock -268
'99 Andrews -240
'97 Bryant. -224
'96 Talley. -261
'95 Talley. -285
'93 Johnson - 327

It's not really relevant What other teams do with their RBs. At NIU, when you have a true #1 back, he should get around 250 carries.

And still no, RBs don't hold their hand up to get out of the game because they're tired. Maybe after a long run or 20 play drive. But the average plays per drive in the NFL is under 6. I'd imagine it's similiar in college. You think RBs are spent after 4 or 5 plays and need to get to the oxygen tank?

(08-28-2017 07:44 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 05:10 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 04:58 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  D-linemen need to rotate for cardio. RBs almost never need to for that. If you have a rotation at RB, that just means you don't have a clear cut #1. Yes they come out occasionally for a series here and here. But 250 carries on the season should be what you give a #1.

Right..."RBs almost never need to" come out of the game for cardio. What?

By the way there were only 20 college football players with 250+ rushing attempts last year. Two of them were QBs. 413 players had 50+ carries.

I'll clarify for you...250 carries for an NIU RB. NIU has one of the highest run percentage rates in college football.

NIU rush att leaders:

'15 bouagnon -283
'13 Lynch. -292
'12 Lynch. -294
'10 span. -258
'07 Anderson -274
'06 Wolfe -309
'05 Wolfe. -242
'04 Wolfe. -256
'03 Turner. -310
'02 Turner -338
'01 Hammock -268
'99 Andrews -240
'97 Bryant. -224
'96 Talley. -261
'95 Talley. -285
'93 Johnson - 327

It's not really relevant What other teams do with their RBs. At NIU, when you have a true #1 back, he should get around 250 carries.

And still no, RBs don't hold their hand up to get out of the game because they're tired. Maybe after a long run or 20 play drive. But the average plays per drive in the NFL is under 6. I'd imagine it's similiar in college. You think RBs are spent after 4 or 5 plays and need to get to the oxygen tank?

WOW, what a GREAT group of RBs. Love those names, some more than others.

(08-28-2017 04:41 PM)7 Wrote:  Man, went back and looked at that box score and NIU had 153 total yards that day. Hare was 11/25 for 81 yards and a pick.

I was there, it was a terrible game to watch, on both sides. I remember fans leaving the stadium and just...bleh, like 'what the hell did we just waste 3 hours watching?'

(08-28-2017 04:37 PM)7 Wrote:  

(08-28-2017 04:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Didn't BC pick off a screen pass last time? Or am I thinking of a different game?

Ohio state had a pick 6 on a bubble which was pretty much the reason they won. Don't recall BC getting one, but doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Worth pointing out that NIU's offense didn't do **** the last time they played BC. Only points came off a Lurry pick and return inside the 5 and a Turner kickoff return TD.

I'm pretty sure BC had one of the better defenses in the country then. I'm optimistic we have better showing this time