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RE: A 2 for 1???? Are you kidding me??
(08-12-2017 10:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 09:44 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  http://www.forwhomthecowbelltolls.com/pl...thern-miss

MSU perspective

therein lies the rub....nothing new here

Quote:The only program which will truly benefit from this series is the Southern Miss Golden Eagles. They will get a nice pay day for taking two road games against the Bulldogs and will have a shot, albeit a long one, to make a statement with a win against an SEC team.

For the Bulldogs, the best case scenario is you thump the Golden Eagles when the games take place but do nothing to change the perception of what kind of team you have. Southern Miss was a really good team in 2015, but when Mississippi State struggled to put them away to open the season, many thought the Bulldogs weren’t that great of a team because of it. You’re also giving recruits a chance to reconsider whether or not Southern Miss is a viable option for them should they do the improbable and beat the Bulldogs.

Mississippi State needs to play Group of 5 teams every year, and more likely than not, twice each season. In an effort to stay fiscally responsible, the Bulldogs usually do a 2-for-1 to keep from having to pay so much money to get these games scheduled.

Scheduling a Group of 5 team is not an issue. The issue is choosing to play one in-state that has a huge benefit to that team and almost none to Mississippi State. When these games take place, it’ll be fun for fans. But there isn’t any way to make a statement for Mississippi State in these games while Southern Miss can. And that’s the real problem with keeping this series going.

The worst part of a sh*tty 2 for 1 deal with the pups is that 2 games are in Starkville, the armpit of the state.
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RE: A 2 for 1???? Are you kidding me??
(08-12-2017 10:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 09:44 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  http://www.forwhomthecowbelltolls.com/pl...thern-miss

MSU perspective

therein lies the rub....nothing new here

Quote:The only program which will truly benefit from this series is the Southern Miss Golden Eagles. They will get a nice pay day for taking two road games against the Bulldogs and will have a shot, albeit a long one, to make a statement with a win against an SEC team.

For the Bulldogs, the best case scenario is you thump the Golden Eagles when the games take place but do nothing to change the perception of what kind of team you have. Southern Miss was a really good team in 2015, but when Mississippi State struggled to put them away to open the season, many thought the Bulldogs weren’t that great of a team because of it. You’re also giving recruits a chance to reconsider whether or not Southern Miss is a viable option for them should they do the improbable and beat the Bulldogs.

Mississippi State needs to play Group of 5 teams every year, and more likely than not, twice each season. In an effort to stay fiscally responsible, the Bulldogs usually do a 2-for-1 to keep from having to pay so much money to get these games scheduled.

Scheduling a Group of 5 team is not an issue. The issue is choosing to play one in-state that has a huge benefit to that team and almost none to Mississippi State. When these games take place, it’ll be fun for fans. But there isn’t any way to make a statement for Mississippi State in these games while Southern Miss can. And that’s the real problem with keeping this series going.

not sure what rub (for USM) you're talking about.

even this guy admits its a good deal for USM.

MSU (and UM) will always have the lose/lose perspective, bc it generally is (for them). Of course, as long as they are beating USM, they can get a small win out of it for MS recruiting. Shows the recruits that USM is indeed, "baby brother".
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RE: A 2 for 1???? Are you kidding me??
(08-12-2017 10:49 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 10:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(08-12-2017 09:44 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  http://www.forwhomthecowbelltolls.com/pl...thern-miss

MSU perspective

therein lies the rub....nothing new here

Quote:The only program which will truly benefit from this series is the Southern Miss Golden Eagles. They will get a nice pay day for taking two road games against the Bulldogs and will have a shot, albeit a long one, to make a statement with a win against an SEC team.

For the Bulldogs, the best case scenario is you thump the Golden Eagles when the games take place but do nothing to change the perception of what kind of team you have. Southern Miss was a really good team in 2015, but when Mississippi State struggled to put them away to open the season, many thought the Bulldogs weren’t that great of a team because of it. You’re also giving recruits a chance to reconsider whether or not Southern Miss is a viable option for them should they do the improbable and beat the Bulldogs.

Mississippi State needs to play Group of 5 teams every year, and more likely than not, twice each season. In an effort to stay fiscally responsible, the Bulldogs usually do a 2-for-1 to keep from having to pay so much money to get these games scheduled.

Scheduling a Group of 5 team is not an issue. The issue is choosing to play one in-state that has a huge benefit to that team and almost none to Mississippi State. When these games take place, it’ll be fun for fans. But there isn’t any way to make a statement for Mississippi State in these games while Southern Miss can. And that’s the real problem with keeping this series going.

not sure what rub (for USM) you're talking about.

even this guy admits its a good deal for USM.

MSU (and UM) will always have the lose/lose perspective, bc it generally is (for them). Of course, as long as they are beating USM, they can get a small win out of it for MS recruiting. Shows the recruits that USM is indeed, "baby brother".

rub = scheduling difficulties southern miss faces

how many times do I need to state I'm cool with this scenario???
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Not all State fans are opposed to this deal. Some are, yeah, but not all. We knew some were not going to happy with it. That's fine.

As for recruiting, it's seems unlikely that we'd steal anyone even if we win. The gap between the two programs is just so massive that even a USM win wouldn't sway anyone from choosing to play in CUSA over the SEC.

Plenty of upside to us playing these games though. We're getting a hefty payday for the 2019 game and playing State increases our exposure/visibility throughout Mississippi. People will be forced to give a damn about Southern Miss for a few weeks over the next several years. That's a win.

Win just 1 game and we can talk infinite amounts of **** to these people. A W vs State would also help our reputation/perception tremendously across the state. Right now, we're on par with Delta State when you get outside the Pine Belt.

And FWIW, I'd have to say Clarksdale is the armpit of Mississippi, not Starkvegas. They're in the running though.
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(08-12-2017 01:18 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  A W vs State would also help our perception tremendously across the state.

It may lower State's perception, the only thing that will improve Southern's stature is somehow fleeing SUNWACUSA.
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(08-12-2017 01:18 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  And FWIW, I'd have to say Clarksdale is the armpit of Mississippi, not Starkvegas. They're in the running though.

Nah, let Starkville have "armpit." There's a better bodily analogy for Clarksdale. If you were giving the state a prostate exam, you'd stick your finger up Coahoma County.
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(08-12-2017 01:18 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  Not all State fans are opposed to this deal. Some are, yeah, but not all. We knew some were not going to happy with it. That's fine.

As for recruiting, it's seems unlikely that we'd steal anyone even if we win. The gap between the two programs is just so massive that even a USM win wouldn't sway anyone from choosing to play in CUSA over the SEC.

Plenty of upside to us playing these games though. We're getting a hefty payday for the 2019 game and playing State increases our exposure/visibility throughout Mississippi. People will be forced to give a damn about Southern Miss for a few weeks over the next several years. That's a win.

Win just 1 game and we can talk infinite amounts of **** to these people. A W vs State would also help our reputation/perception tremendously across the state. Right now, we're on par with Delta State when you get outside the Pine Belt.

And FWIW, I'd have to say Clarksdale is the armpit of Mississippi, not Starkvegas. They're in the running though.

clarksdale is akin to the redneck continental divide.....

played in the state open there about 30 years ago......was easily a 'holistic shite' momento.....

thank the good goodies MEM wasn't too far up the road for late night festivities.....

what a shitehole that place is....
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OK, so I was for the 2-1 (guarantee + H/H, I know....) but Troy just signed a home/home with State. I guess they are above us now.

http://troytrojans.com/news/2017/8/23/tr...ement.aspx

Now, you could make the case that a $1.3 million game in Starkville + H/H is better than a straight up H/H with no money.
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Jeremy Mclain..... I really thought he might come back and replace Mcgillis.
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(08-23-2017 01:58 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  OK, so I was for the 2-1 (guarantee + H/H, I know....) but Troy just signed a home/home with State. I guess they are above us now.

http://troytrojans.com/news/2017/8/23/tr...ement.aspx

Now, you could make the case that a $1.3 million game in Starkville + H/H is better than a straight up H/H with no money.

Our deal is absolutely better, imo. Its in fact a h/h, with the addition of a payout game a few years prior. Ill take the money and an opportunity to beat them in front of their home crowd any time. Get enough of these games and maybe we can afford to pay a HC enough to keep him around a while if we need to.
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RE: A 2 for 1???? Are you kidding me??
(08-23-2017 02:20 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 01:58 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  OK, so I was for the 2-1 (guarantee + H/H, I know....) but Troy just signed a home/home with State. I guess they are above us now.

http://troytrojans.com/news/2017/8/23/tr...ement.aspx

Now, you could make the case that a $1.3 million game in Starkville + H/H is better than a straight up H/H with no money.

Our deal is absolutely better, imo. Its in fact a h/h, with the addition of a payout game a few years prior. Ill take the money and an opportunity to beat them in front of their home crowd any time. Get enough of these games and maybe we can afford to pay a HC enough to keep him around a while if we need to.

Agreed with our deal is better. It does suck that we'll only have 5 home games but at the same time we've got to play 12 games so why not play at State for a good payday instead of playing at BYU or Illinois or some other school which will have little to no interest.
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Wow...that is our problem here at USM, a lot of our fans do actually think we got a better deal than Troy. That is the reason we will never ever be any better than we are now..we think small time here...
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(08-23-2017 04:00 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Wow...that is our problem here at USM, a lot of our fans do actually think we got a better deal than Troy. That is the reason we will never ever be any better than we are now..we think small time here...

Nah, our problem is pride doesn't pay the bills, and even a Top 25 team doesn't sell the place out because people are more concerned with who's on the visitor's sideline than the home one.

...which is all the more reason to take State at home whenever or however they agree to it.
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(08-23-2017 04:50 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  
(08-23-2017 04:00 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Wow...that is our problem here at USM, a lot of our fans do actually think we got a better deal than Troy. That is the reason we will never ever be any better than we are now..we think small time here...

Nah, our problem is pride doesn't pay the bills, and even a Top 25 team doesn't sell the place out because people are more concerned with who's on the visitor's sideline than the home one.

...which is all the more reason to take State at home whenever or however they agree to it.

Boom!!!! Harbor, you can drop the mic and walk off
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Smalllllllllllll time
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(08-23-2017 05:13 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Smalllllllllllll time

Small time is not keeping up with your decreasingly relevant peers' COA allowances, freaking UAB having a better inclimate weather practice facility, and having the lowest paid coaches in your conference. Unless you have 500 grand and a P5 home opponent in your pocket, you're just going to have to hold your nose & swallow these contracts like they're Aunt Bee's Kerosene Cucumbers.
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(08-23-2017 05:13 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Smalllllllllllll time



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Ellis Johnson halfback pass...Bigtime!
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(08-24-2017 11:13 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Ellis Johnson halfback pass...Bigtime!

Your opinion on that play, while unimaginative and exemplary of the worst sort of "Monday morning quarterbacking," is still more reasonable than the opinions you've shared in this thread.

How are we supposed to become less "small time?" By thumbing our nose at SEC home games because they won't negotiate with us as if we were their equals?

Being "big time" is not a matter of "wish it, want it, do it." It something that takes decades of carefully executed strategy. I see signs of that starting to happen at USM. Shaking down Liberty in exchange for a home-and-home was a smart move. Picking up Shannon Dawson on the cheap was a smart move. Picking up Hop on the cheap might even turn out to be brilliant.

Our arrangement with State- while it does amount to admitting the obvious, i.e. we're not their equal- was a very smart move. As someone else pointed out, it's basically a money game followed by a home-and-home with an SEC school. The former is something we're going to need to start doing again, if we ever want a new basketball arena or an indoor practice facility. The latter sort of arrangement is manna from heaven, an opportunity to fill up our stadium and maybe score an upset.

You keep it up with your glib, stuck-in-2012 answers, though. Just like that HB pass, you have no real ideas about what we actually should be doing. I'm glad our AD doesn't think like you; if he did, the relevant video would be this one:



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