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(08-18-2017 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 03:27 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I think the new SOE makes a pretty strong statement as campus gateway

It's ok. Better than some. ODU has a terrible habit of not realizing their buildings have multiple "fronts" and leave ugly brick warehouse looking walls facing outward. The oceanigraphy building and the new practice facility are prime examples. And let's not get started on the library. The new art building in the village is nice though, and I'm holding out hope for a very strong and classic signature/statement building in the new student center that can be a real showpiece. We shall see. If they get the exteriors of that and the stadium right, and extend the brick wall things should start to look pretty nice. It's still much nicer than in the 80s/90s.

Campus looks 1000x better than it did before the turn of the century. Campus was down right ugly with many many mismatched buildings and poor maintenance. I remember a consultant cming in when Koch was president. He couldn't n\understand why kids were turning us down to go to GMU and JMU. the consultant basically said your education is just as good but your campus looks like s h i t. Rather than paying some on 50k they coud have polled a few students on campus and saved a ton of bucks
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The campus is looking better and better every year. The reason our school doesn't rank as high as some others is also partially due to the professors that are tenured and are getting paid an insane amount of money to teach for an hour. I'd say the engineering dept. is a prime example of this where half of them have no care for teaching or research.
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(08-20-2017 04:15 PM)nakas12 Wrote:  The campus is looking better and better every year. The reason our school doesn't rank as high as some others is also partially due to the professors that are tenured and are getting paid an insane amount of money to teach for an hour. I'd say the engineering dept. is a prime example of this where half of them have no care for teaching or research.

Only professor I've come across in the Engineering / Technology departments that meet that description is Dr. Lin, the Head of MET. Every other professor I've had (with exception of PhD Students) have been great.
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(08-20-2017 05:31 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  
(08-20-2017 04:15 PM)nakas12 Wrote:  The campus is looking better and better every year. The reason our school doesn't rank as high as some others is also partially due to the professors that are tenured and are getting paid an insane amount of money to teach for an hour. I'd say the engineering dept. is a prime example of this where half of them have no care for teaching or research.

Only professor I've come across in the Engineering / Technology departments that meet that description is Dr. Lin, the Head of MET. Every other professor I've had (with exception of PhD Students) have been great.

+1 for this statement. I had Lin too and I would agree. Luetke, Mustafa, my civils, all we very much into their course work and how they delivered it. Tony Dean lol the legend 02-13-banana
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(08-20-2017 04:15 PM)nakas12 Wrote:  The campus is looking better and better every year. The reason our school doesn't rank as high as some others is also partially due to the professors that are tenured and are getting paid an insane amount of money to teach for an hour. I'd say the engineering dept. is a prime example of this where half of them have no care for teaching or research.

I really wouldnt say professors make an insane amount of money. A lot of them could make far more in the private sector. Others do in on an adjcuncy basis for less money than they could be makin elsewhere just bc they like to teach.

And FWIW, there is more to being a tenured professor than teaching an hour.
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The average professor makes approximately $100k per year. I'd say that's pretty dang good--especially compared to what they could make in the private sector. The average engineer makes about $90k. Just about every other field averages less than $100k.
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(08-21-2017 08:11 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The average professor makes approximately $100k per year. I'd say that's pretty dang good--especially compared to what they could make in the private sector. The average engineer makes about $90k. Just about every other field averages less than $100k.

100k is far from an insane amount of money.
08-21-2017 09:16 AM
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(08-21-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 08:11 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The average professor makes approximately $100k per year. I'd say that's pretty dang good--especially compared to what they could make in the private sector. The average engineer makes about $90k. Just about every other field averages less than $100k.

100k is far from an insane amount of money.

True, but it is top 12% salary for American wage earners. I would say that makes it pretty good...
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(08-21-2017 09:39 AM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 08:11 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The average professor makes approximately $100k per year. I'd say that's pretty dang good--especially compared to what they could make in the private sector. The average engineer makes about $90k. Just about every other field averages less than $100k.

100k is far from an insane amount of money.

True, but it is top 12% salary for American wage earners. I would say that makes it pretty good...

Its certainly not bad. Fairly comfortable living but not like you are buying extravagant things. Take a professor with a stay at home wife and 2 kids, they are living very modestly in Hampton Roads.......struggling in Northern Virginia (if making 100k)
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Agree. Depends on if there is a 2nd wage earner...if there is, they are likely doing quite well. If not, and living in VB or Chesapeake, money is likely tight.
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(08-21-2017 08:11 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The average professor makes approximately $100k per year. I'd say that's pretty dang good--especially compared to what they could make in the private sector. The average engineer makes about $90k. Just about every other field averages less than $100k.

Where do you get that from?

http://www.maceandcrown.com/2016/01/21/19915/

Apparently ODU denied a FOIA to mace and crown for something more current.

The average salary is over $100,000. That is not the same as the average professor making that much. Most of my professors that I've had so far at ODU are in the $65-80k range. The earlier mentioned Dr Cheng Lin is the department head of MET and brings in $98k.

http://data.richmond.com/salaries//2015/...university
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(08-21-2017 01:36 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 08:11 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The average professor makes approximately $100k per year. I'd say that's pretty dang good--especially compared to what they could make in the private sector. The average engineer makes about $90k. Just about every other field averages less than $100k.

Where do you get that from?

http://www.maceandcrown.com/2016/01/21/19915/

Apparently ODU denied a FOIA to mace and crown for something more current.

The average salary is over $100,000. That is not the same as the average professor making that much. Most of my professors that I've had so far at ODU are in the $65-80k range. The earlier mentioned Dr Cheng Lin is the department head of MET and brings in $98k.

http://data.richmond.com/salaries//2015/...university

Thats what I thought, but trusted his numbers. I do know a dept head making almost 200k though.
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The university I work at has most tenured faculty at $100k plus. Quite a few at $200k+ and several at $300k+. ODUs faculty issues as far as ranking go, is that we have too many adjunct faculty. To be considered a top school you need mostly tenured faculty with PhDs who publish a lot. I know what you're thinking... what does that have to do with the quality of information and teaching ability. But thats how they are ranked FWIW. Also, adjunct faculty make peanuts compared to the tenured folks. I've known several and it seems to be around $3-$4k per class for adjuncts.
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For a professor in engineering or computer science, $100k is probably about average for a PhD, maybe even a pay cut. If your PhD is in philosophy, being a professor is the pinnacle of your profession.
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To be a PHD making 100k per year, you better really like teaching. That is an awful lot of money to be spent for 100k per year.
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(08-21-2017 02:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 01:36 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 08:11 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  The average professor makes approximately $100k per year. I'd say that's pretty dang good--especially compared to what they could make in the private sector. The average engineer makes about $90k. Just about every other field averages less than $100k.

Where do you get that from?

http://www.maceandcrown.com/2016/01/21/19915/

Apparently ODU denied a FOIA to mace and crown for something more current.

The average salary is over $100,000. That is not the same as the average professor making that much. Most of my professors that I've had so far at ODU are in the $65-80k range. The earlier mentioned Dr Cheng Lin is the department head of MET and brings in $98k.

http://data.richmond.com/salaries//2015/...university

Thats what I thought, but trusted his numbers. I do know a dept head making almost 200k though.

As do I. I just picked out Dr. Lin as I mentioned him earlier being a ****** prof.
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(08-21-2017 02:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  To be a PHD making 100k per year, you better really like teaching. That is an awful lot of money to be spent for 100k per year.

PhDs are rarely paid for by the student. At least where I work. In fact most of the students have some type of work study program so they get paid while in the program.
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Most PhD's are pressured to bring in grant money and publish articles and research. Teaching is 1/3 of their job. If they are bringing in good cash to the university and they aren't great teachers they will not be fired. Check out the meeting minutes of any educational board of higher learning, you will notice how much time they spend on recognizing professors for the amount of $$$$ and research/publishing they bring to the college, a line or two about how many students they teach, and basically nothing about how well they teach.
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(08-22-2017 06:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 02:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  To be a PHD making 100k per year, you better really like teaching. That is an awful lot of money to be spent for 100k per year.

PhDs are rarely paid for by the student. At least where I work. In fact most of the students have some type of work study program so they get paid while in the program.


I am not a PhD, but the experience I've been told (I have masters and inquired) was that it takes 4-5 years of being whoever is above you's ***** and teaching lower level classes for very little pay.
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(08-22-2017 12:54 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(08-22-2017 06:35 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(08-21-2017 02:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  To be a PHD making 100k per year, you better really like teaching. That is an awful lot of money to be spent for 100k per year.

PhDs are rarely paid for by the student. At least where I work. In fact most of the students have some type of work study program so they get paid while in the program.


I am not a PhD, but the experience I've been told (I have masters and inquired) was that it takes 4-5 years of being whoever is above you's ***** and teaching lower level classes for very little pay.

Isn't that if the school is funding the PhD? Granted some programs i.e. physics have you do lots of research and the prof gets all the credit. But say ODU's PHD or DEng of Engineering Management / Systems Engineering. I don't recall hearing any of their students being a professors *****, UNLESS they were earning the degree on the schools dime.
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