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Antonio Cruz at Episcopal class of 2018. https://www.perfectgame.org/Players/Play...?ID=447241
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There are a half dozen or so listed who graduate high school in 2018 and are committed. Were you thinking later than that?
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(07-21-2017 08:12 PM)kinderowl Wrote:  There are a half dozen or so listed who graduate high school in 2018 and are committed. Were you thinking later than that?

Yes, 2018 are kids who will be seniors this year. I'm referring to 2019 kids.
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In the 2019 class...
TCU - 11
Texas - 11
A&M - 5
LSU - 11
OU - 14
Ok St - 5
Arkansas- 8
Rice - 1
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(07-21-2017 09:51 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  In the 2019 class...
TCU - 11
Texas - 11
A&M - 5
LSU - 11
OU - 14
Ok St - 5
Arkansas- 8
Rice - 1

But we don't have a declining program!
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RE: Berkman or Bust
(07-21-2017 09:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:51 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  In the 2019 class...
TCU - 11
Texas - 11
A&M - 5
LSU - 11
OU - 14
Ok St - 5
Arkansas- 8
Rice - 1

But we don't have a declining program!

Well, the point I've made a few times here is that prior to Van Hook becoming the recruiting coordinator, Rice never went after kids 2+ years out. When he got the job, he started going after those kids to try and catch up with the TCUs, LSUs, etc. Now, that he's gone, one of those 2019 kids has left. People on this board complained about VH but I would contend he was vital to getting the program into the new era of recruiting. Losing him hurts. JK needs to make a big splash hire...quickly.
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RE: Berkman or Bust
(07-21-2017 10:02 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:51 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  In the 2019 class...
TCU - 11
Texas - 11
A&M - 5
LSU - 11
OU - 14
Ok St - 5
Arkansas- 8
Rice - 1

But we don't have a declining program!

Well, the point I've made a few times here is that prior to Van Hook becoming the recruiting coordinator, Rice never went after kids 2+ years out. When he got the job, he started going after those kids to try and catch up with the TCUs, LSUs, etc. Now, that he's gone, one of those 2019 kids has left. People on this board complained about VH but I would contend he was vital to getting the program into the new era of recruiting. Losing him hurts. JK needs to make a big splash hire...quickly.
They need to resolve the issue of whom the head coach will be before any "big splash hire" signs on without a pretty good idea that he will have a job the next year
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RE: Berkman or Bust
(07-21-2017 11:46 PM)HawaiiOwl Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 10:02 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:51 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  In the 2019 class...
TCU - 11
Texas - 11
A&M - 5
LSU - 11
OU - 14
Ok St - 5
Arkansas- 8
Rice - 1

But we don't have a declining program!

Well, the point I've made a few times here is that prior to Van Hook becoming the recruiting coordinator, Rice never went after kids 2+ years out. When he got the job, he started going after those kids to try and catch up with the TCUs, LSUs, etc. Now, that he's gone, one of those 2019 kids has left. People on this board complained about VH but I would contend he was vital to getting the program into the new era of recruiting. Losing him hurts. JK needs to make a big splash hire...quickly.
They need to resolve the issue of whom the head coach will be before any "big splash hire" signs on without a pretty good idea that he will have a job the next year

This I agree with this 100%. We cannot hire a quality assistant coach, let alone a "coach in waiting", until The OG's contract situation is resolved and announced publicly. If Shep left despite the promotion to paid assistant, there's no way we're going to attract someone to fill the assistant coach opening until the uncertainty is resolved one way or the other.
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RE: Berkman or Bust
(07-22-2017 08:15 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 11:46 PM)HawaiiOwl Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 10:02 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:58 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(07-21-2017 09:51 PM)Owl1998 Wrote:  In the 2019 class...
TCU - 11
Texas - 11
A&M - 5
LSU - 11
OU - 14
Ok St - 5
Arkansas- 8
Rice - 1

But we don't have a declining program!

Well, the point I've made a few times here is that prior to Van Hook becoming the recruiting coordinator, Rice never went after kids 2+ years out. When he got the job, he started going after those kids to try and catch up with the TCUs, LSUs, etc. Now, that he's gone, one of those 2019 kids has left. People on this board complained about VH but I would contend he was vital to getting the program into the new era of recruiting. Losing him hurts. JK needs to make a big splash hire...quickly.
They need to resolve the issue of whom the head coach will be before any "big splash hire" signs on without a pretty good idea that he will have a job the next year

This I agree with this 100%. We cannot hire a quality assistant coach, let alone a "coach in waiting", until The OG's contract situation is resolved and announced publicly. If Shep left despite the promotion to paid assistant, there's no way we're going to attract someone to fill the assistant coach opening until the uncertainty is resolved one way or the other.

I completely agree with Hawaii & Walt....JK needs to get this thing resolved. Quickly. There are kids being actively pursued to make a change in their commitments. If something doesn't get resolved soon, the program could really be in a bad place.
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RE: Berkman or Bust
I would consider Jose Cruz Jr. and his brother Enrique. Jose Jr. was the first big time recruit for Graham at Rice, and Enrique won a CWS title. They are obviously a baseball family and I know Enrique is currently coaching, not sure about Jose Jr. but they both have coaching knowledge and lots of ties to Houston and Rice. I've seen Jose Jr. attending games recently, tweets about Rice baseball all the time, and his son is playing for Graham next year. Not as big a name as Lance, but one (or both) of the Cruz brothers could be a good fit.
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RE: Berkman or Bust
I doubt that is an option.

Lance, however, is certainly an option. He clearly wants the job and has been preparing himself for the opportunity by getting his degree, coaching at the HS ranks (successfully), and making it known that he's committed to returning Rice to the level it should be. I'm hoping JK is actively working on a solution. Right now things look terrible on the coaching front. We have 2 coaches. Let that sink in....2 coaches.
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(07-22-2017 09:18 AM)Buho00 Wrote:  I would consider Jose Cruz Jr. and his brother Enrique. Jose Jr. was the first big time recruit for Graham at Rice, and Enrique won a CWS title. They are obviously a baseball family and I know Enrique is currently coaching, not sure about Jose Jr. but they both have coaching knowledge and lots of ties to Houston and Rice. I've seen Jose Jr. attending games recently, tweets about Rice baseball all the time, and his son is playing for Graham next year. Not as big a name as Lance, but one (or both) of the Cruz brothers could be a good fit.

Stop it! Let's hire a real coach with real, proven college coaching experience. Jose has absolutely no coaching experience, and is not going to coach with his son joining the program. Enrique is currently coaching? I thought he's working successfully in a sports management gig in Houston.

As I've posted previously, I'm all for giving Lance an opportunity in the Assistant Coach opening, but NOT as head coach until he proves himself as a D-1 coach.
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(07-22-2017 09:48 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-22-2017 09:18 AM)Buho00 Wrote:  I would consider Jose Cruz Jr. and his brother Enrique. Jose Jr. was the first big time recruit for Graham at Rice, and Enrique won a CWS title. They are obviously a baseball family and I know Enrique is currently coaching, not sure about Jose Jr. but they both have coaching knowledge and lots of ties to Houston and Rice. I've seen Jose Jr. attending games recently, tweets about Rice baseball all the time, and his son is playing for Graham next year. Not as big a name as Lance, but one (or both) of the Cruz brothers could be a good fit.

Stop it! Let's hire a real coach with real, proven college coaching experience. Jose has absolutely no coaching experience, and is not going to coach with his son joining the program. Enrique is currently coaching? I thought he's working successfully in a sports management gig in Houston.

As I've posted previously, I'm all for giving Lance an opportunity in the Assistant Coach opening, but NOT as head coach until he proves himself as a D-1 coach.

http://www.cruzbaseball.com/coaching-staff

Enrique is at least teaching baseball. I'm thinking down the line, since Lance was brought up, Cruz is another name associated with the city and the program that knows baseball.
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Don't think Wayne can go after kids two years out, can he? Has to have an indication of SAT scores, if i'm not mistaken.

None of our competitors have to worry about that, of course.
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(07-23-2017 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Don't think Wayne can go after kids two years out, can he? Has to have an indication of SAT scores, if i'm not mistaken.

None of our competitors have to worry about that, of course.

Pretty sure Vanderbilt does.
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The "have to wait for scores" excuse is a poor one for any sport.

Not impossible to figure out if a kid has what it takes when he's a sophomore or early junior in high school. Look at early HS grades, PSAT scores, talk to teachers, etc...

I knew I'd go to a good school my freshman/sophomore year. Whether that was "really, really" good (like Harvard, Yale, Princeton) or just "good" like UT, I wasn't sure. Damn sure wasn't going to East Mississippi CC.
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(07-23-2017 10:00 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Don't think Wayne can go after kids two years out, can he? Has to have an indication of SAT scores, if i'm not mistaken.

None of our competitors have to worry about that, of course.

Pretty sure Vanderbilt does.

Not really. They have this school of education that allows them to take kids without the normal entrance requirements for the rest of the student body, as I understand it. The Peabody School, I think it is.
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(07-24-2017 09:20 AM)davidw Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 10:00 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Don't think Wayne can go after kids two years out, can he? Has to have an indication of SAT scores, if i'm not mistaken.

None of our competitors have to worry about that, of course.

Pretty sure Vanderbilt does.

Not really. They have this school of education that allows them to take kids without the normal entrance requirements for the rest of the student body, as I understand it. The Peabody School, I think it is.

And Rice athletes all have 2200+ on their SAT like the rest of the student body 03-lmfao
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(07-24-2017 09:43 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(07-24-2017 09:20 AM)davidw Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 10:00 PM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(07-23-2017 09:20 PM)davidw Wrote:  Don't think Wayne can go after kids two years out, can he? Has to have an indication of SAT scores, if i'm not mistaken.

None of our competitors have to worry about that, of course.

Pretty sure Vanderbilt does.

Not really. They have this school of education that allows them to take kids without the normal entrance requirements for the rest of the student body, as I understand it. The Peabody School, I think it is.

And Rice athletes all have 2200+ on their SAT like the rest of the student body 03-lmfao

Not sure why you feel the need to make a statement like this.
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(07-22-2017 09:48 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(07-22-2017 09:18 AM)Buho00 Wrote:  I would consider Jose Cruz Jr. and his brother Enrique. Jose Jr. was the first big time recruit for Graham at Rice, and Enrique won a CWS title. They are obviously a baseball family and I know Enrique is currently coaching, not sure about Jose Jr. but they both have coaching knowledge and lots of ties to Houston and Rice. I've seen Jose Jr. attending games recently, tweets about Rice baseball all the time, and his son is playing for Graham next year. Not as big a name as Lance, but one (or both) of the Cruz brothers could be a good fit.

Stop it! Let's hire a real coach with real, proven college coaching experience. Jose has absolutely no coaching experience, and is not going to coach with his son joining the program. Enrique is currently coaching? I thought he's working successfully in a sports management gig in Houston.

As I've posted previously, I'm all for giving Lance an opportunity in the Assistant Coach opening, but NOT as head coach until he proves himself as a D-1 coach.

And how might we do that? Will our athletic program shell out enough $$ to steal an established coach from a respectable school? I think not. Even if we get a coach from a lower tier school how do we ensure we do not run the risk of becoming a stepping stone program? I think it is in our best interest to bring in someone with strong ties to Rice that will stay loyal to the program.
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