The WSU thread about being great for the board got me thinking about what they add numbers wise. I'm sure this has been discussed before but I quickly ranked the metro areas by population for each AAC school. I'm not saying each school delivers their market but it is their base. Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

AAC rank - metro area (metro pop, US metro rank)

1. SMU - DFW (7,200,000 4th)
2. UH - Houston (6,800,000 5th)
3. Temple - Philly (6,100,000 7th)
4. USF - Tampa (3,000,000 18th)
5. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (2,700,000 21st)
6. UCF - Orlando (2,500,000 23rd)
7. Cincy - Cincinnati (2,200,000 28th)
8. Memphis - Memphis (1,300,000 42nd)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (1,300,000 46th)
10. UConn - Hartford (1,200,000 47th)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (1,000,000 55th)
12. WSU - Wichita (600,000 87th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (200,000 236th)

Also, I included Annapolis in the Baltimore metro.

Flagship gets the whole state - 3.6 Mil

Markets don't mean anything in the post-cable era. It's all about fan base size.

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  The WSU thread about being great for the board got me thinking about what they add numbers wise. I'm sure this has been discussed before but I quickly ranked the metro areas by population for each AAC school. I'm not saying each school delivers their market but it is their base. Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

AAC rank - metro area (metro pop, US metro rank)

1. SMU - DFW (7,200,000 4th)
2. UH - Houston (6,800,000 5th)
3. Temple - Philly (6,100,000 7th)
4. USF - Tampa (3,000,000 18th)
5. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (2,700,000 21st)
6. UCF - Orlando (2,500,000 23rd)
7. Cincy - Cincinnati (2,200,000 28th)
8. Memphis - Memphis (1,300,000 42nd)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (1,300,000 46th)
10. UConn - Hartford (1,200,000 47th)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (1,000,000 55th)
12. WSU - Wichita (600,000 87th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (200,000 236th)

Also, I included Annapolis in the Baltimore metro.

A more important marker is TV market. That is what brings in the money for a conference. However, I will say that the Orlando market can include Daytona Beach and Melbourne as that is where our local TV coverage extends. Tampa should probably include St Pete, Sarasota, and stretch into Polk County. I am sure there are others in similar circumstances. For whatever reason, the official numbers don't include them.
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-ranks.pdf

1. Temple - Philly (2,942,800 4th)
2. SMU - DFW (2,713,380 5th)
3. UH - Houston (2,450,800 8th)
4. USF - Tampa (1,908,590 11th)
5. UCF - Orlando (1,519,570 18th)
6. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (1,119,480 26th)
7. UConn - Hartford (963,950 30th)
8. Cincy - Cincinnati (863,800 36th)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (641,620 50th)
10. Memphis - Memphis (633,930 51st)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (531,230 58th)
12. WSU - Wichita (439,760 66th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (301,990 100th)

Interesting tidbit regarding market size that's come out in Cincinnati this week...This was also discussed during the realignment push.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/so...aBYlhUC2J/

“We try to make the point: Combine (us) with Dayton — because between West Chester and Springboro there’s not a whole lot left — and that makes us the 21st market. Hey, if Cleveland can claim Akron/Canton, we can claim Dayton, right?”

Nielsen ranks Cincinnati the 36th largest television market, with 863,800 TV homes and 0.75 percent of the country’s population. Dayton is 64th, with 466,040 and 0.4 percent of the nation.

Combined, they would be 1.32 million television homes, ranking 21st, behind Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto, Calif., and ahead of St. Louis. Cleveland-Akron-Canton is 19th, with nearly 1.5 million TV homes.

The Cincinnati and Dayton areas have been growing toward each other in recent years, with Butler and Warren counties — particularly West Chester and Liberty townships — at the epicenter.

According to Journal-News research of U.S. Census data, Butler County has seen its population rocket from 426 people per square mile in 1960 to 808 last year. In Warren County, people per square mile ballooned from from 163 in 1960 to 565 last year.

(07-19-2017 07:48 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Markets don't mean anything in the post-cable era. It's all about fan base size.

That's simply not true. Corporate sponsors within these markets make up a huge part of the equation.

(07-19-2017 07:48 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Markets don't mean anything in the post-cable era. It's all about fan base size.

Markets still mean everything.......delivering them is a different question.

Guys, guys, guys...

The ONLY thing that matters is football game-day attendance. That's how we determine the top schools in this conference.

(07-19-2017 08:32 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  Guys, guys, guys...

The ONLY thing that matters is football game-day attendance. That's how we determine the top schools in this conference.

Well SMU is screwed because Houston fans buy 20,000 season tickets a year and then don't use them to make us look bad

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

One of those loudmouth schools can back their talk up on the court.


T


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(07-19-2017 08:34 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

One of those loudmouth schools can back their talk up on the court.


T


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The big boy sport is played on the field, call me when you stop playing ultimate frisbee on your old football field

(07-19-2017 08:34 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

One of those loudmouth schools can back their talk up on the court.


T


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well if you beat the crap out of us, and combined with your sh!tty ass market size it'd be a wonder if you made any friends in this conference (which you're the only ones excited to be in)

(07-19-2017 08:27 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:48 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Markets don't mean anything in the post-cable era. It's all about fan base size.

Markets still mean everything.......delivering them is a different question.

Yes. Saying market size doesn't matter anymore is ridiculous in so many ways.

Yeah, I don't think anyone would really accuse WSU of bringing anything to the table aside from a good basketball team.

(07-19-2017 08:48 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 08:27 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:48 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Markets don't mean anything in the post-cable era. It's all about fan base size.

Markets still mean everything.......delivering them is a different question.

Yes. Saying market size doesn't matter anymore is ridiculous in so many ways.

he was making a joke

(07-19-2017 07:50 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  The WSU thread about being great for the board got me thinking about what they add numbers wise. I'm sure this has been discussed before but I quickly ranked the metro areas by population for each AAC school. I'm not saying each school delivers their market but it is their base. Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

AAC rank - metro area (metro pop, US metro rank)

1. SMU - DFW (7,200,000 4th)
2. UH - Houston (6,800,000 5th)
3. Temple - Philly (6,100,000 7th)
4. USF - Tampa (3,000,000 18th)
5. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (2,700,000 21st)
6. UCF - Orlando (2,500,000 23rd)
7. Cincy - Cincinnati (2,200,000 28th)
8. Memphis - Memphis (1,300,000 42nd)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (1,300,000 46th)
10. UConn - Hartford (1,200,000 47th)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (1,000,000 55th)
12. WSU - Wichita (600,000 87th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (200,000 236th)

Also, I included Annapolis in the Baltimore metro.

A more important marker is TV market. That is what brings in the money for a conference. However, I will say that the Orlando market can include Daytona Beach and Melbourne as that is where our local TV coverage extends. Tampa should probably include St Pete, Sarasota, and stretch into Polk County. I am sure there are others in similar circumstances. For whatever reason, the official numbers don't include them.
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-ranks.pdf

1. Temple - Philly (2,942,800 4th)
2. SMU - DFW (2,713,380 5th)
3. UH - Houston (2,450,800 8th)
4. USF - Tampa (1,908,590 11th)
5. UCF - Orlando (1,519,570 18th)
6. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (1,119,480 26th)
7. UConn - Hartford (963,950 30th)
8. Cincy - Cincinnati (863,800 36th)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (641,620 50th)
10. Memphis - Memphis (633,930 51st)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (531,230 58th)
12. WSU - Wichita (439,760 66th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (301,990 100th)

I still say Jackson TN should be included in the Memphis TV market....ranked 176 with 89,970...It would bump Memphis over the 720k mark.

(07-19-2017 09:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:50 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  The WSU thread about being great for the board got me thinking about what they add numbers wise. I'm sure this has been discussed before but I quickly ranked the metro areas by population for each AAC school. I'm not saying each school delivers their market but it is their base. Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

AAC rank - metro area (metro pop, US metro rank)

1. SMU - DFW (7,200,000 4th)
2. UH - Houston (6,800,000 5th)
3. Temple - Philly (6,100,000 7th)
4. USF - Tampa (3,000,000 18th)
5. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (2,700,000 21st)
6. UCF - Orlando (2,500,000 23rd)
7. Cincy - Cincinnati (2,200,000 28th)
8. Memphis - Memphis (1,300,000 42nd)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (1,300,000 46th)
10. UConn - Hartford (1,200,000 47th)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (1,000,000 55th)
12. WSU - Wichita (600,000 87th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (200,000 236th)

Also, I included Annapolis in the Baltimore metro.

A more important marker is TV market. That is what brings in the money for a conference. However, I will say that the Orlando market can include Daytona Beach and Melbourne as that is where our local TV coverage extends. Tampa should probably include St Pete, Sarasota, and stretch into Polk County. I am sure there are others in similar circumstances. For whatever reason, the official numbers don't include them.
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-ranks.pdf

1. Temple - Philly (2,942,800 4th)
2. SMU - DFW (2,713,380 5th)
3. UH - Houston (2,450,800 8th)
4. USF - Tampa (1,908,590 11th)
5. UCF - Orlando (1,519,570 18th)
6. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (1,119,480 26th)
7. UConn - Hartford (963,950 30th)
8. Cincy - Cincinnati (863,800 36th)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (641,620 50th)
10. Memphis - Memphis (633,930 51st)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (531,230 58th)
12. WSU - Wichita (439,760 66th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (301,990 100th)

I still say Jackson TN should be included in the Memphis TV market....ranked 176 with 89,970...It would bump Memphis over the 720k mark.

might as well include little rock

(07-19-2017 09:07 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 09:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:50 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  The WSU thread about being great for the board got me thinking about what they add numbers wise. I'm sure this has been discussed before but I quickly ranked the metro areas by population for each AAC school. I'm not saying each school delivers their market but it is their base. Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

AAC rank - metro area (metro pop, US metro rank)

1. SMU - DFW (7,200,000 4th)
2. UH - Houston (6,800,000 5th)
3. Temple - Philly (6,100,000 7th)
4. USF - Tampa (3,000,000 18th)
5. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (2,700,000 21st)
6. UCF - Orlando (2,500,000 23rd)
7. Cincy - Cincinnati (2,200,000 28th)
8. Memphis - Memphis (1,300,000 42nd)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (1,300,000 46th)
10. UConn - Hartford (1,200,000 47th)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (1,000,000 55th)
12. WSU - Wichita (600,000 87th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (200,000 236th)

Also, I included Annapolis in the Baltimore metro.

A more important marker is TV market. That is what brings in the money for a conference. However, I will say that the Orlando market can include Daytona Beach and Melbourne as that is where our local TV coverage extends. Tampa should probably include St Pete, Sarasota, and stretch into Polk County. I am sure there are others in similar circumstances. For whatever reason, the official numbers don't include them.
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-ranks.pdf

1. Temple - Philly (2,942,800 4th)
2. SMU - DFW (2,713,380 5th)
3. UH - Houston (2,450,800 8th)
4. USF - Tampa (1,908,590 11th)
5. UCF - Orlando (1,519,570 18th)
6. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (1,119,480 26th)
7. UConn - Hartford (963,950 30th)
8. Cincy - Cincinnati (863,800 36th)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (641,620 50th)
10. Memphis - Memphis (633,930 51st)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (531,230 58th)
12. WSU - Wichita (439,760 66th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (301,990 100th)

I still say Jackson TN should be included in the Memphis TV market....ranked 176 with 89,970...It would bump Memphis over the 720k mark.

might as well include little rock

Little Rock's a fine town.

(07-19-2017 09:03 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:50 AM)otown Wrote:  

(07-19-2017 07:31 AM)Moody Magic Wrote:  The WSU thread about being great for the board got me thinking about what they add numbers wise. I'm sure this has been discussed before but I quickly ranked the metro areas by population for each AAC school. I'm not saying each school delivers their market but it is their base. Interesting to note the two schools with loudest/most annoying/vocal fans come from the two smallest markets.....

AAC rank - metro area (metro pop, US metro rank)

1. SMU - DFW (7,200,000 4th)
2. UH - Houston (6,800,000 5th)
3. Temple - Philly (6,100,000 7th)
4. USF - Tampa (3,000,000 18th)
5. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (2,700,000 21st)
6. UCF - Orlando (2,500,000 23rd)
7. Cincy - Cincinnati (2,200,000 28th)
8. Memphis - Memphis (1,300,000 42nd)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (1,300,000 46th)
10. UConn - Hartford (1,200,000 47th)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (1,000,000 55th)
12. WSU - Wichita (600,000 87th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (200,000 236th)

Also, I included Annapolis in the Baltimore metro.

A more important marker is TV market. That is what brings in the money for a conference. However, I will say that the Orlando market can include Daytona Beach and Melbourne as that is where our local TV coverage extends. Tampa should probably include St Pete, Sarasota, and stretch into Polk County. I am sure there are others in similar circumstances. For whatever reason, the official numbers don't include them.
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-ranks.pdf

1. Temple - Philly (2,942,800 4th)
2. SMU - DFW (2,713,380 5th)
3. UH - Houston (2,450,800 8th)
4. USF - Tampa (1,908,590 11th)
5. UCF - Orlando (1,519,570 18th)
6. Navy - Baltimore/Annapolis (1,119,480 26th)
7. UConn - Hartford (963,950 30th)
8. Cincy - Cincinnati (863,800 36th)
9. Tulane - New Orleans (641,620 50th)
10. Memphis - Memphis (633,930 51st)
11. Tulsa - Tulsa (531,230 58th)
12. WSU - Wichita (439,760 66th)
13. ECU - Greenville, NC (301,990 100th)

I still say Jackson TN should be included in the Memphis TV market....ranked 176 with 89,970...It would bump Memphis over the 720k mark.

While we are choosing to add markets for a number bump, UConn should include Stamford, CT which is part of the NYC market. In that scenario, we are in the #30 market and the #1 market.

In ECU's pitch to the AAC, we included the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill market. It puts us right up there with the best.