(07-15-2017 10:56 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 09:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Academics, location and endowments matter.

The Horizon will move early on Robert Morris to give them an opportunity to place their football and lacrosse teams for the next year. IPFW will be taken too, as both have new arenas coming aboard.

Then the fun starts for the Summit.

Link where Fort Wayne is planning a new stadium?

Lol, NoDak has no link, he never has a link to his crazy ideas. But he did see some insiders communicating on a message board about it or perhaps heard a very obscure radio interview only available on Grand Forks Radio but unfortunely it isn't available via podcast. When it is time for the info to go public you will hear it. Until then, you will have to just believe him.

NoDaks theories and wishes are sometimes good ideas but they are so far from reality or fact that David St looks like the Pope in comparison.

(07-15-2017 11:38 PM)Shox Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 10:56 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 09:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Academics, location and endowments matter.

The Horizon will move early on Robert Morris to give them an opportunity to place their football and lacrosse teams for the next year. IPFW will be taken too, as both have new arenas coming aboard.

Then the fun starts for the Summit.

Link where Fort Wayne is planning a new stadium?

Lol, NoDak has no link, he never has a link to his crazy ideas. But he did see some insiders communicating on a message board about it or perhaps heard a very obscure radio interview only available on Grand Forks Radio but unfortunely it isn't available via podcast. When it is time for the info to go public you will hear it. Until then, you will have to just believe him.

NoDaks theories and wishes are sometimes good ideas but they are so far from reality or fact that David St looks like the Pope in comparison.

He didn't say "stadium", he said "arena".

Plans for a new arena in Fort Wayne have been in the works for some time, although the final decision to proceed has not been made. Here's a recent article on the subject:

http://www.news-sentinel.com/20170616/de...-september

(07-15-2017 10:56 PM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 09:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Academics, location and endowments matter.

The Horizon will move early on Robert Morris to give them an opportunity to place their football and lacrosse teams for the next year. IPFW will be taken too, as both have new arenas coming aboard.

Then the fun starts for the Summit.

Link where Fort Wayne is planning a new stadium?

Downtown Fort Wayne

http://www.news-sentinel.com/20170616/de...ofile=1008

WAR Memorial is simply too big and too old with not enough suites while IPFW's gym on campus is too small. When the new arena is approved, IPFW is in the Horizon along with RMU.

The city of Fort Wayne is planning a new arena, downtown. Like HM said, this has been known for a while.

Doesn't mean Fort Wayne Mastadons college basketball teams are guaranteed to play there, but they likely could play there.

(07-15-2017 08:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Sheesh! They have almost a billion dollar endowment!

Nice presentation liked the ending.

Well ...... there is a bit of hand waiving going on there, my guess mixing information between the Bloomington and Indy campuses. The main campus is in Bloomington, and is a Big Ten school, but the medical school, teaching hospital, and health science research facilities are in Indy. In any case, the professors are employed by IU.

It's pretty much exactly the same as Illinois and UIC.

The 20 game schedule being considered came from a person with close ties to Weber State's Athletic department. If anyone would oppose, you'd think it'd be Weber.

Note they did play at Stanford and BYU. The pre-conference tournament they played in got them Iona and UC Davis. They had only 4 home OOC games: Antelope Valley, West Coast Baptist, Utah Valley and Denver

This year Black Hills State, Presentation College, Arkansas-Pine Bluff and Pepperdine are their OOC home games. They do play at Fresno State and will at least play BYU in the beehive classic. Not a schedule to get improved RPI.

The reality is the Big Sky is a one bid conference with RPI in the toilet. None higher than 144 (3 below 300, 9 of 12 below 200).
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...rence/BSKY
It is one of the lower ranked conferences in RPI and one game wont change that
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2017/conferencerpi

Things may well look different to ADs than they did half a decade ago when Fullerton was selling his vision. What I am seeing is a big push toward cohesion and building rivalries. An extra home game against Montana State rather than Presentation College will get a bigger gate. We may only be talking $50-100K on the bottom line, but it matters at this level.

We will see what happens. There is not a Steve Fisher type coach in the Big Sky who was playing a much higher National schedule and was asking to go down to 16 games so he could play another Maui Classic type tournament against the Michigan State and Kansas type opponents. You are talking about swapping out Iona and Presentation College here.

(07-16-2017 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(07-15-2017 08:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Sheesh! They have almost a billion dollar endowment!

Nice presentation liked the ending.

Well ...... there is a bit of hand waiving going on there, my guess mixing information between the Bloomington and Indy campuses. The main campus is in Bloomington, and is a Big Ten school, but the medical school, teaching hospital, and health science research facilities are in Indy. In any case, the professors are employed by IU.

It's pretty much exactly the same as Illinois and UIC.

Pretty much, but not exactly. The Medical School is UIC's, BUT the UIUC campus wants to rebrand it as theirs. There is quite a bit of infighting, competitiveness and even a bit of jealousy between campuses. The Board of Trustees is made up mostly of UIUC grads who of course would like things in favor of UIUC. The Board has put the cabosh on UIC having its own Law School while giving the go ahead for the Urbana campus to have their own Medical School. UIC, once upon a time, was in preliminary talks with the John Marshall Law School in downtown Chicago to become a part of UIC, but the Board of Dickheads stopped that!

The BOT makes sure that UIC only goes so far because we have great academics, are in a big metropolitan area and if allowed to, could conceivably be on par with the Urbana-Champaign campus (except for having football as a sport).

Yeah I have no idea why some state's flagships decided to build up comprehensive universities around separate medical campuses in the urban areas, when they were displaced from the main campus, completely with their own undergraduate student bodies.

Another great example of this is Alabama, where UAB is its own school separate from Tuscaloosa, and has almost all of the major research since all the medical campus is in B'ham.


A different model is for the separate campus just to be a graduate/professional campus. Examples of these are UCSF, pretty sure U Maryland Baltimore as well.

Looks like Robert Morris is having difficulty getting construction of their new arena to start. The 2019 conference season for the Horizon now may be iffy.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/2017/...1707140097

Article seems to indicate that the new rec center will be online by this fall, then the old arena can be knocked down, and then the new arena construction can commence. Probably a reasonable guess that it will be ready for 2019-20 season, rather than the season before.

http://www.timesonline.com/sports/colleg...18026.html

There is little doubt in my mind the Horizon wants Robert Morris for basketball. Where does RMU put their football and Lacrosse? This article mentions the MVFC, CAA, and Big South as potential football homes.

Today, there are tweets from a Fargo sportswriter that the MVFC wants twelve teams with divisions. That would likely leave out RMU, as Murray St would probably get the MVFC and MVC slots. But think the Dakota schools are gone, so maybe RMU gets in anyway.

(07-25-2017 11:38 AM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.timesonline.com/sports/colleg...18026.html

There is little doubt in my mind the Horizon wants Robert Morris for basketball. Where does RMU put their football and Lacrosse? This article mentions the MVFC, CAA, and Big South as potential football homes.

Today, there are tweets from a Fargo sportswriter that the MVFC wants twelve teams with divisions. That would likely leave out RMU, as Murray St would probably get the MVFC and MVC slots. But think the Dakota schools are gone, so maybe RMU gets in.

Dakota schools aren't leaving and Robert Morris is not coming to the MVFC. Get over your Montana fantasy.

Izzo's tweet is quoting the MVFC commish as saying there is currently no 12th team they're looking at.

Divisions sound good in principle, but teams like MO St, UNI, and even W ILL, who've all been with the MVFC since Gateway days, will fight like h___ against being stuck in a divison with Dakotas ... simple as that.

W ILL might lose that argument on account of being in the Summit, but that still only gives five, and UNI and MO St won't lose that argument. Would really, really like to see E ILL come to the Summit and be put in that division, in that case.

Or, would take UNC in the Summit, but don't think that's in the cards. No moveup in the upper Midwest can afford MVFC football, either. And probably zero chance for Oral, Denver, Omaha, or Kansas City to (re)start football.

If Rob Morris goes to Horizon, why not just leave football in NEC? Otherwise, go with Monmouth to the Big South.

(07-25-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Izzo's tweet is quoting the MVFC commish as saying there is currently no 12th team they're looking at.

Divisions sound good in principle, but teams like MO St, UNI, and even W ILL, who've all been with the MVFC since Gateway days, will fight like h___ against being stuck in a divison with Dakotas ... simple as that.

W ILL might lose that argument on account of being in the Summit, but that still only gives five, and UNI and MO St won't lose that argument. Would really, really like to see E ILL come to the Summit and be put in that division, in that case.

Or, would take UNC in the Summit, but don't think that's in the cards. No moveup in the upper Midwest can afford MVFC football, either. And probably zero chance for Oral, Denver, Omaha, or Kansas City to (re)start football.

Viverito is quoted that "a twelve team league with two divisions is attractive to us", but denied any school is being looked at. Hardly a denial.

Murray St is in and RMU is in too when the Dakotas take their balls and start a Summit only fb league with the Montanas, Idaho and EWU.

(07-25-2017 12:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Izzo's tweet is quoting the MVFC commish as saying there is currently no 12th team they're looking at.

Divisions sound good in principle, but teams like MO St, UNI, and even W ILL, who've all been with the MVFC since Gateway days, will fight like h___ against being stuck in a divison with Dakotas ... simple as that.

W ILL might lose that argument on account of being in the Summit, but that still only gives five, and UNI and MO St won't lose that argument. Would really, really like to see E ILL come to the Summit and be put in that division, in that case.

Or, would take UNC in the Summit, but don't think that's in the cards. No moveup in the upper Midwest can afford MVFC football, either. And probably zero chance for Oral, Denver, Omaha, or Kansas City to (re)start football.

Viverito is quoted that "a twelve team league with two divisions is attractive to us", but denied any school is being looked at. Hardly a denial.

Murray St is in and RMU is in too when the Dakotas take their balls and start a Summit only fb league with the Montanas, Idaho and EWU.

So I see you have moved the goal posts again. Now it is a Summit FB only league with the 4 Big Sky schools.





Whose's AD's Basement were you in when you heard that?

(07-25-2017 11:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Rob Morris goes to Horizon, why not just leave football in NEC? Otherwise, go with Monmouth to the Big South.

The NEC allows 45 scholarships and more aid to get to 63. RMU is already in CAA and MVFC scholarship and geographic territory and offers western Pennsylvania recruiting, which is very good.

(07-25-2017 12:07 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 12:04 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-25-2017 11:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Izzo's tweet is quoting the MVFC commish as saying there is currently no 12th team they're looking at.

Divisions sound good in principle, but teams like MO St, UNI, and even W ILL, who've all been with the MVFC since Gateway days, will fight like h___ against being stuck in a divison with Dakotas ... simple as that.

W ILL might lose that argument on account of being in the Summit, but that still only gives five, and UNI and MO St won't lose that argument. Would really, really like to see E ILL come to the Summit and be put in that division, in that case.

Or, would take UNC in the Summit, but don't think that's in the cards. No moveup in the upper Midwest can afford MVFC football, either. And probably zero chance for Oral, Denver, Omaha, or Kansas City to (re)start football.

Viverito is quoted that "a twelve team league with two divisions is attractive to us", but denied any school is being looked at. Hardly a denial.

Murray St is in and RMU is in too when the Dakotas take their balls and start a Summit only fb league with the Montanas, Idaho and EWU.

So I see you have moved the goal posts again. Now it is a Summit FB only league with the 4 Big Sky schools.





Whose's AD's Basement were you in when you heard that?

Have said that for some time. You simply refuse to listen. The Montanas and Idaho will be singing that chorus soon enough because the Big Sky simply doesn't want to be competitive, but only be cheap like NAU.

Guys come on. Please take this BS pissing match to PM.

Why does every thread have to turn into this crap about NoDak's Montana Dakota fantasy??

(07-25-2017 11:38 AM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.timesonline.com/sports/colleg...18026.html

There is little doubt in my mind the Horizon wants Robert Morris for basketball. Where does RMU put their football and Lacrosse? This article mentions the MVFC, CAA, and Big South as potential football homes.

Today, there are tweets from a Fargo sportswriter that the MVFC wants twelve teams with divisions. That would likely leave out RMU, as Murray St would probably get the MVFC and MVC slots. But think the Dakota schools are gone, so maybe RMU gets in anyway.

Dom Izzo‏ @DomIzzoWDAY 2h2 hours ago
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Viverito on expansion: "Not a 12th team we're looking at right now, but a 12 team league with two divisions would be attractive to us."

The two biggest "Dakota" schools are the MVFC and they aren't going anywhere. As for the 12th. There are only three schools the league would have any interest in if going to 12 and splitting into divisions. All three would be based on expansion of the parent league. If the MVC expands further and take a FB school, Murray State. If the Summit want to add a school with FB (UNC or EIU).

Personally I don't see the MVC expanding further unless a school like St. Louis decide to come over. The league is stable. No current members are leaving anytime soon. WSU and CU were the threats because they had both outgrown the league.

The Summit will add a school and they need a baseball school. Both UNC and EIU fit with EIU being the more likely add. Though having DU in the Summit does, no matter what certain posters think, put UNC in play.