(07-14-2017 01:20 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 07:09 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:29 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  President Tribble stated years ago that he would keep enrollment at 5000 so that he could keep the academic performance of the student body high. A lower enrollment allows CNU to pick the best students to attend there.

It doesn't make any sense to compare CNU to JMU. W&M would be a much better comparison. Similar size and I believe CNU would like to pattern themselves to be more like W&M rather than JMU.

I didn't compare JMU to CNU and never would, LH did when he listed CNU and MW. Worse, did so incorrectly stating that no other VA school "virtually doubled" in enrollment from '96-'16 because actually, CNU did. CNU increased in enrollment by 64% in 20 years, JMU increased in enrollment by 61% in the same 20 year period.

That's all, LH is quick to call anyone else out when they mess up their facts, so I did the same.

I was the one who originally referenced them to demonstrate how JMU has slipped academically in our "masters regional" classification while schools that weren't even close to us when I attended have closed the gap. Among the many excuses was JMU's "growth" compared to other schools. Apparently we're the only school that has experienced growth.

And almost all of the excuses for our slipping presume that the other schools that have surpassed us DON'T have these problems. I find that to be improbable.

(07-15-2017 12:31 PM)olddawg Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 01:20 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-14-2017 07:09 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 10:29 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  President Tribble stated years ago that he would keep enrollment at 5000 so that he could keep the academic performance of the student body high. A lower enrollment allows CNU to pick the best students to attend there.

It doesn't make any sense to compare CNU to JMU. W&M would be a much better comparison. Similar size and I believe CNU would like to pattern themselves to be more like W&M rather than JMU.

I didn't compare JMU to CNU and never would, LH did when he listed CNU and MW. Worse, did so incorrectly stating that no other VA school "virtually doubled" in enrollment from '96-'16 because actually, CNU did. CNU increased in enrollment by 64% in 20 years, JMU increased in enrollment by 61% in the same 20 year period.

That's all, LH is quick to call anyone else out when they mess up their facts, so I did the same.

I was the one who originally referenced them to demonstrate how JMU has slipped academically in our "masters regional" classification while schools that weren't even close to us when I attended have closed the gap. Among the many excuses was JMU's "growth" compared to other schools. Apparently we're the only school that has experienced growth.

And almost all of the excuses for our slipping presume that the other schools that have surpassed us DON'T have these problems. I find that to be improbable.

You can all go back to bed now. When you wake up, the JMU world will be a better place. Maybe.

Whats the record for longest message board thread? Are we close?

(07-18-2017 11:31 AM)streamerlauncher Wrote:  Whats the record for longest message board thread? Are we close?

I think we broke that record at least five years ago.

(07-18-2017 11:31 AM)streamerlauncher Wrote:  Whats the record for longest message board thread? Are we close?

This thread will be alive and going strong long after many of us die.

bump for the sake of bumping.

From today's Virginian-Pilot. A lot more detail in relation to JMU and CUSA than I've probably read in 4-5 years now honestly.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...1b309.html

"5. This poured more salt into the wounds for the many JMU fans who want the school to move up to FBS.
Many are frustrated, given the chatter I see on JMU message boards, that ODU and Liberty are scheduling so many home games against with ACC schools.

That's understandable. JMU was the No. 3 program in the state a few years ago. The Dukes had won a national title, had beaten U.Va. and Tech and had recently opened a renovated 25,000-seat stadium.

But in 2012, ODU jumped ahead of the Dukes and joined C-USA, a move based more on the attractiveness of the Hampton Roads TV market than the Monarchs' football prowess. Now Liberty has jumped ahead as well, although in far different fashion: The Flames will play as an FBS independent.

That's not an ideal situation for Liberty, which is having to spend a lot of money to fill its schedule. The Flames travel twice to New Mexico, and next season are at Army and Massachusetts. They are paying ODU $1.32 million for their first FBS home game.

As a private school, Liberty can spend money any way it wants. JMU's budget is funded largely on student fees, and that means AD Jeff Bourne's options are limited.

Several years ago, the Sun Belt tried to lure JMU, an offer the Dukes wisely declined. Rivalries with Arkansas State, Texas State and Louisiana-Lafayette don't make a lot of sense.

C-USA officials visited Harrisonburg a few years ago and were impressed enough to ask member schools to consider inviting JMU. But Marshall officials led a successful lobbying campaign to effectively table expansion.

Without a league to join, JMU can't move up. And given the financial challenges in most mid-major leagues, I don't know that the Dukes would want to move up right now anyway.

But change is coming to college football, and in a few years, there may be a more appealing opportunity for JMU.

Officials at most mid-major schools are fretting over rapidly declining TV money and rising travel costs. As I've previously written, financially it makes no sense for ODU to be in the same league with four schools from Texas.

Mid-major athletic directors eventually will come to their senses and form regional leagues that reduce costs and create real rivalries.

When that happens, perhaps JMU, Liberty and ODU won't just all be in FBS; they'll become conference rivals.

Until then, JMU, the defending national champion, moves forward with an elite FCS program. And that's not a bad place to be."

Is the ECU game an audition for the AAC? Have we backed off the audition threads a few years back? I remember the "audition" threads when we played WVU at FedEx.

There was a USA Today article today... please note the following text:

Although no formal discussions have occurred, Houston said the idea of moving up to the FBS has crossed his mind.

“There’s been a lot of talk, and the talk is legitimate,” Houston said. “I think JMU is a very attractive institution for a lot of the FBS conferences, because our entire athletic program operates at a pretty high level. … If that opportunity comes to us, I think JMU would enthusiastically transition and would not hesitate.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...560269001/

(08-15-2017 02:48 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  There was a USA Today article today... please note the following text:

Although no formal discussions have occurred, Houston said the idea of moving up to the FBS has crossed his mind.

“There’s been a lot of talk, and the talk is legitimate,” Houston said. “I think JMU is a very attractive institution for a lot of the FBS conferences, because our entire athletic program operates at a pretty high level. … If that opportunity comes to us, I think JMU would enthusiastically transition and would not hesitate.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...560269001/

I read that, though after early a decade of FBS talks, the bolded made me lol.

Strongest statement since the infamous 18-24 ....

Good news is that calling him Matt may create enough confusion to keep him off some coaching lists for FBS...

(08-15-2017 02:52 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(08-15-2017 02:48 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  There was a USA Today article today... please note the following text:

Although no formal discussions have occurred, Houston said the idea of moving up to the FBS has crossed his mind.

“There’s been a lot of talk, and the talk is legitimate,” Houston said. “I think JMU is a very attractive institution for a lot of the FBS conferences, because our entire athletic program operates at a pretty high level. … If that opportunity comes to us, I think JMU would enthusiastically transition and would not hesitate.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...560269001/

I read that, though after early a decade of FBS talks, the bolded made me lol.

The ellipses (...) before "If that opportunity" suggests the writer left out part of his statement, which may have qualified which opportunities he feels JMU would consider. Wish they had published his whole answer. Journalistic editing often changes things.

Let me play the pessimist for this question-If JMU was such an attractive option for any FBS conference then why no FBS conference? We obviously passed on CUSA and Sunbelt. But if the AAC was attracted to us or the others, it seems that they would have already jumped on board. Instead, they went after other FBS schools.

I hope Houston is right though.

“There’s been a lot of talk, and the talk is legitimate,” Houston said.

Yet not a whisper from the athletic director to alum.

(08-16-2017 06:35 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  “There’s been a lot of talk, and the talk is legitimate,” Houston said.

Yet not a whisper from the athletic director to alum.

That's because even a whisper would have had some deciding on which conference we would be joining, and the others would be trying to reason why we had not joined the other conference. You see it makes no difference what is said, we only read what we want to read. Then make grandiose assumptions as to the meaning of what was truly said. Now if that doesn't sound like the answer the admin has been feeding us for the past few years then this whole thread has been a waste of typing and reading.

(08-16-2017 06:35 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  “There’s been a lot of talk, and the talk is legitimate,” Houston said.

Yet not a whisper from the athletic director to alum.

I disagree with your notion that the AD owes the fan base an explanation of the conversations he has behind closed doors. That'd be a good way to get uninvited to any potential deal.

Exactly ... now if JBJA are giving Houston the old wink and nod..then we are really in trouble..

posted without opinion on FBS/FCS, just stating facts:

there are some who say being CAA/FCS means you are 2nd class and get no attention.
yet, in the last 3 years:

- GameDay at ESPN
- Softball one hit away from CWS and multiple home games on national TV in front of record crowds
- 3 playoff games on ESPN, including 2 in prime time
- National Championship #2
- article in sports section of major national newspaper.

is our conference affiliation REALLY holding us back from attention? I honestly don't see that much of a "Q-rating" coming from our so called "peer" schools that many want us to be associated with.

you do great things, the attention will come to you.

again, this does not reflect my view one way or another on FBS or not. I've made my opinion on that many times in this thread.

Just pointing out, we've had our name in the national press often the last few years. More so than I've seen the majority of CUSA/SB/MAC schools.

(08-15-2017 05:35 PM)hburg Wrote:  We obviously passed on CUSA

Nope, they passed on us because Marshall vetoed us. We've been over it.

attention? cool, but doesn't equate to competition - granted, we have made strides in our national press, but let's admit..we are still "JMwho?" to most of the country (no, I don't have a stat...)

attention is just one part of it...but let's not act like it's the only part - this is about continuing the JMU trajectory and playing better competition more consistently. All the attention in the world won't make a competitor happy with big fish little pond