(07-04-2017 07:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I'm sorry but anyone who thinks USF's OOC schedule is good can either be labeled a complete troll or completely out of touch with the current landscape of college basketball. I suspect we have both in this thread.

No one said it was a good schedule. I said it's a good schedule for USF. Sorry if we have stinking teams in it, but if our coach is going to build a better program in the future going 2-11 in OCC just so we can have an RPI of 245 vs winning 8-9 games and finishing RPI of 280 is not going to help the team. You need some wins specially early in season to at least create some hope and interest.

i agree with what you are saying, i even said houston is the same way...usf will act in the best interest of usf... they arent worried about the tulsa's, houstons, uconns that will likely be fighting for a bubble spot. they are worried about making a winning culture

thats why i said their has to be a mandate from the conference for the minimum quality schedule ..usf will do the minimum exceptable at the same time not hurt the rest of the league.. someone has to look out for the conference as a whole

and in the long run it will be better for usf..because eventually usf will be that bubble team, and their will be some other bad team looking out for its best interest dragging down usfs rpi where it might need it

Appreciate the expressed logic in these posts. I get hammered every time I bring this up on the Memphis forum. Memphis needs a much better home OOC schedule for the conference yes but primarily because the city of Memphis is pretty sophisticated BB market & they will attend games where good MBB is played even if my Tigers are not up to par. Give the fans a nobody, a diet of 250+ home OOC games & they won't show up these days. And playing these type schools, even with wins, does nothing for the RPI/SOS for Memphis or the conference. I'd much rather Memphis re-up Gonzaga, OKST, pick up Xavier, Butler & Vandy - all of which have expressed interest in H&H series rather than Incarnate Word, UTRGV, SEMO, etc. In that regard, I do understand UTK & Ark are in the works & while many Memphis fans who hate UTK & ARK are negative on these games, they will put butts in the seats & have respectable RPI - and the MBB program needs the financial benefit of this type of game.

I think we are stuck with some of these weak holdovers because of Pastner. Tubby and Bowen hinted at better games being on schedule 1-2 years

(07-04-2017 07:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I'm sorry but anyone who thinks USF's OOC schedule is good can either be labeled a complete troll or completely out of touch with the current landscape of college basketball. I suspect we have both in this thread.

No one said it was a good schedule. I said it's a good schedule for USF. Sorry if we have stinking teams in it, but if our coach is going to build a better program in the future going 2-11 in OCC just so we can have an RPI of 245 vs winning 8-9 games and finishing RPI of 280 is not going to help the team. You need some wins specially early in season to at least create some hope and interest.

But it's not good for USF or the AAC. You will be penalized in every single one of those games...win or lose. This schedule is Lebo-esque. And NOBODY has been supportive of that kind of scheduling. You are blinded by your fanhood. Sorry.

I agree.

There should be no exceptions for those scheduling practices. USF should be able to out athlete almost all of them because they are guppies.
Wins versus that cast are viewed worse than losses against decent teams. You don't build culture that way. You build culture by playing athletes that make your players work hard and come together, to foster team pride.
We can't afford this in basketball. The conference needs to institute its own culture of competition. Even is that means a few more arse kickings.

(07-04-2017 07:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I'm sorry but anyone who thinks USF's OOC schedule is good can either be labeled a complete troll or completely out of touch with the current landscape of college basketball. I suspect we have both in this thread.

No one said it was a good schedule. I said it's a good schedule for USF. Sorry if we have stinking teams in it, but if our coach is going to build a better program in the future going 2-11 in OCC just so we can have an RPI of 245 vs winning 8-9 games and finishing RPI of 280 is not going to help the team. You need some wins specially early in season to at least create some hope and interest.

exactly...now go win most of those games.

(07-04-2017 07:46 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:33 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I'm sorry but anyone who thinks USF's OOC schedule is good can either be labeled a complete troll or completely out of touch with the current landscape of college basketball. I suspect we have both in this thread.

No one said it was a good schedule. I said it's a good schedule for USF. Sorry if we have stinking teams in it, but if our coach is going to build a better program in the future going 2-11 in OCC just so we can have an RPI of 245 vs winning 8-9 games and finishing RPI of 280 is not going to help the team. You need some wins specially early in season to at least create some hope and interest.

i agree with what you are saying, i even said houston is the same way...usf will act in the best interest of usf... they arent worried about the tulsa's, houstons, uconns that will likely be fighting for a bubble spot. they are worried about making a winning culture

thats why i said their has to be a mandate from the conference for the minimum quality schedule ..usf will do the minimum exceptable at the same time not hurt the rest of the league.. someone has to look out for the conference as a whole

and in the long run it will be better for usf..because eventually usf will be that bubble team, and their will be some other bad team looking out for its best interest dragging down usfs rpi where it might need it

Appreciate the expressed logic in these posts. I get hammered every time I bring this up on the Memphis forum. Memphis needs a much better home OOC schedule for the conference yes but primarily because the city of Memphis is pretty sophisticated BB market & they will attend games where good MBB is played even if my Tigers are not up to par. Give the fans a nobody, a diet of 250+ home OOC games & they won't show up these days. And playing these type schools, even with wins, does nothing for the RPI/SOS for Memphis or the conference. I'd much rather Memphis re-up Gonzaga, OKST, pick up Xavier, Butler & Vandy - all of which have expressed interest in H&H series rather than Incarnate Word, UTRGV, SEMO, etc. In that regard, I do understand UTK & Ark are in the works & while many Memphis fans who hate UTK & ARK are negative on these games, they will put butts in the seats & have respectable RPI - and the MBB program needs the financial benefit of this type of game.

yep...LSU, South Carolina, Alabama, and now UT/Ark...Tubby has no problems scheduling SEC teams to sell tickets.

moreover, most of the underlined teams were part of a preseason tourney.

UTRGV was part of the Emerald Coast Classic and the worst team on this seasons schedule, Bryant, is part of the Gotham Classic

(05-15-2017 08:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-13-2017 04:22 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Nobody in this league travels to a fellow P6 school's gym without a return game do they?


T


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Wait until you see a game at Tulane.....

In the last 5 years, Tulane has played the following home and homes: Wake Forest, G Tech, Miss State, Washington, St Johns, North Carolina (1/2).
We do an occasional buy game - maybe 1 every other year.
Last year, we played 2 teams in the prior season's final 4.

(07-04-2017 03:57 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:56 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:44 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  USF announced our nonconference schedule
Nov 10 Florida Atlantic 280
Nov 13 Morgan State 326
Nov 15 at Stetson 327
Nov 19 at Indiana 82
Nov 22 Howard 339
Nov 24 Arkansas State 114
Nov 26 Eastern Michigan 178 (12-17)
Nov 30 at Elon 163
Dec 2. at Appalachian State 295
Dec 11 Florida International 337
Dec 14 Bethune Cookman 347
Dec 18 Northern Arizona 335
Dec 21 Charlotte 245

I like our schedule for the team that we will have this year. We are expected to be at the bottom of league, so the schedule is one we should handle. We need to beat those lower RPI teams and come out better than .500 I would hope 8-5 at least

your schedule is actually horrific ..extremely horrific ...and coming 8-5 out of that will destroy the league...

if you're going to schedule horribly you have to win most of it.. 10-3 on that schedule is a must..if you expect losses throw some good rpi games in there

we honestly need a scheduling mandate. too many teams have this mentality of "we are supposed to be horrible this year so a horrible schedule is probably better for us".. thats how you eventually end up a 1 bid league..we have the lowest ranked OOC sos ranking by any power conference and below 5 other conference who are mid-major

usf was by far the lowest rpi team of any power conference +a10/wcc (similar horrible schedule last year)...Oregon state on only 4 wins was ranked 40 spots higher ...

its a trickling effect..then memphis had the most wins of any power conference team not to make the NIT/ncaa

then smu and uc on 30 wins are only 5-6 seeds in the tourney

and pride plays into it too...Tulane schedules great because theylll do buy games...ecu/ usf are too proud to to that...and what good team wants to schedule a home and home with 260+ rpi teams
this isnt a knock on on those teams either, houston is the exact same way...we have a decent schedule this season because are expected to be a top 100 rpi team..but when we are projected bad,, our schedules are just as bad....

put a mandate of 1 top 50 rpi team and 2 other top 100 rpis, in the previous season (or projected by the aac staff) minimum/ no more than 2 300+ rpi games...or you lose ncaa credit money...make teams push their pride aside

just speaking from a houston standpoint we are too proud to do buy games unless we are forced even if we knew it would help the conference

Give me a break. USF returns two players from last year's horrific team. THAT TEAM WENT 7-23 and had an RPI of 317. The rest of the team is a patch up job by a head coach that didn't have time to recruit. You are fooling yourself if you think this team would start or end with an RPI higher than 250

It is what is, this year's team will be lucky to get to 10 wins period, so if ANY AAC team loses to us they only have themselves to blame.
So if the AAC's reputation and RPI depends on who USF schedules this year then the league has bigger issues to fix.
Now if a school like Houston schedules like this then yes you have a right to call it horrific.

this schedule is atrocious and only a blind homer would say otherwise. Even if aac teams beat USF our RPI will still go down because USF RPI will be pathetically bad as a result of this OOC. So yes it does impact the rest of the league, even when we beat USF down.

After seeing the fball OOC and now the Bball ooc I am wondering if this is a new scheduling trend for USF?

(07-04-2017 07:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I'm sorry but anyone who thinks USF's OOC schedule is good can either be labeled a complete troll or completely out of touch with the current landscape of college basketball. I suspect we have both in this thread.

No one said it was a good schedule. I said it's a good schedule for USF. Sorry if we have stinking teams in it, but if our coach is going to build a better program in the future going 2-11 in OCC just so we can have an RPI of 245 vs winning 8-9 games and finishing RPI of 280 is not going to help the team. You need some wins specially early in season to at least create some hope and interest.

Thinking only about the OOC is a terrible way of going about building a winning culture. All this schedule will do is falsely build up confidence by feasting on cupcakes that will then get shredded when the main course arrives and half the conference beats you by 30. Better to start the year on a low note taking a few beatings when everyone is learning the system and build to a peak come tourney time than to try and start at an artificial peak created by beating up on Directional Techs and Small Denominational Us and sustain it all season.

(07-05-2017 03:07 PM)fastbow Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 07:18 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(07-04-2017 06:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I'm sorry but anyone who thinks USF's OOC schedule is good can either be labeled a complete troll or completely out of touch with the current landscape of college basketball. I suspect we have both in this thread.

No one said it was a good schedule. I said it's a good schedule for USF. Sorry if we have stinking teams in it, but if our coach is going to build a better program in the future going 2-11 in OCC just so we can have an RPI of 245 vs winning 8-9 games and finishing RPI of 280 is not going to help the team. You need some wins specially early in season to at least create some hope and interest.

Thinking only about the OOC is a terrible way of going about building a winning culture. All this schedule will do is falsely build up confidence by feasting on cupcakes that will then get shredded when the main course arrives and half the conference beats you by 30. Better to start the year on a low note taking a few beatings when everyone is learning the system and build to a peak come tourney time than to try and start at an artificial peak created by beating up on Directional Techs and Small Denominational Us and sustain it all season.

Yep, not too unusual for schools with 10+ losses to make the tourney if they played a tough schedule - and then actually do pretty in the tourney too. Definitely the way to go - except some coaches are afraid they will be exposed & soon out of a job. But NCSt/Valvano 26-10, 8-6 conf only to win the NC as a #6 seed is the poster child in favor of playing a tough schedule.

Im Just glad UC only plays USF one time. IF we beat them by a 1000, our RPI and Kenpom will still drop.

Temple will play South Carolina at MSG as part of an Under Armour doubleheader with Seton Hall playing Texas Tech.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonRothstein/...6081187842

(07-11-2017 08:32 AM)malenko2 Wrote:  Temple will play South Carolina at MSG as part of an Under Armour doubleheader with Seton Hall playing Texas Tech.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JonRothstein/...6081187842

Wisconsin
South Carolina
Villanova
St. Joe's
Charleston Classic opponents
@Georgia
@GW
@La Salle
@Penn

Going to be a pretty good OOC schedule.

Temple consistently plays one of, if not the toughest OOC schedule in the conference. The schedule above only allows for 2 buy games and is a healthy mix of tough home, road, and neutral site games. I wish more teams in the league would follow Temple's example.

I agree, but several of their very attractive games are because of the Philly schools they play every year. They have a very good and unique thing going for them in that regard.

Just say Houston has released its OOC Schedule.

https://twitter.com/UHCougarMBK/status/8...5906300928

Highlights include:
Providence (Neutral Court)
Arkansas
@LSU
@Saint Louis

They also have a shot to play either Colorado or Wake, assuming Houston or both of those teams don't lose early.


Its an ok Non conference schedule in my opinion. And By far the best in the Sampson era. Houston eliminated itself from the tourney just based on non conference schedule in the last 2 years. To get any respect in this league you need to schedule tough. Houston at least made some strides but still manage to play at least 2 teams in the 300+ of Kenpom.

I think they need to go 3-1 against their top tier games in non con

(07-11-2017 11:22 AM)shocks21 Wrote:  I agree, but several of their very attractive games are because of the Philly schools they play every year. They have a very good and unique thing going for them in that regard.

Yeah, I mean, I don't expect everyone to be able to put 10 or so challenging games on their schedule. But teams should be striving for a minimum of 5 top 100 type games, if not more.

(07-11-2017 11:22 AM)shocks21 Wrote:  I agree, but several of their very attractive games are because of the Philly schools they play every year. They have a very good and unique thing going for them in that regard.

Sure the Philly schools are great for temple but I love that they don’t stop there. They add wisconson, South Carolina and Georgia.

A few years ago temple whooped Kansas’s ass.

They are fearless in scheduling

UCONN Non-Conference (Last season's RPI)

Nova (3)
@ Arizona (5)
Oregon -PK80- (7)
Monmouth (51)
Syracuse (86)
@ Auburn (107)
Boston U (187)
Columbia (264)
Colgate (291)
Coppin State (336)

-PK80-
Michigan St (47) or Georgetown (115)
UNC (1), Arkansas (28), Oklahoma (162), or Portland St (268)

(07-11-2017 11:27 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Just say Houston has released its OOC Schedule.

https://twitter.com/UHCougarMBK/status/8...5906300928

Highlights include:
Providence (Neutral Court)
Arkansas
@LSU
@Saint Louis

They also have a shot to play either Colorado or Wake, assuming Houston or both of those teams don't lose early.


Its an ok Non conference schedule in my opinion. And By far the best in the Sampson era. Houston eliminated itself from the tourney just based on non conference schedule in the last 2 years. To get any respect in this league you need to schedule tough. Houston at least made some strides but still manage to play at least 2 teams in the 300+ of Kenpom.

I think they need to go 3-1 against their top tier games in non con

new orleans and fairfield are also good rpi teams

Providence (Neutral Court)
Arkansas
@LSU
@Saint Louis
colorado/wake (Neutral Court)
New Orleans
Fairfield

we can afford 2 losses in that bunch and still be comfortable...3 losses is survivable but would likely requires a great conference record

(07-11-2017 11:58 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 11:27 AM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  Just say Houston has released its OOC Schedule.

https://twitter.com/UHCougarMBK/status/8...5906300928

Highlights include:
Providence (Neutral Court)
Arkansas
@LSU
@Saint Louis

They also have a shot to play either Colorado or Wake, assuming Houston or both of those teams don't lose early.


Its an ok Non conference schedule in my opinion. And By far the best in the Sampson era. Houston eliminated itself from the tourney just based on non conference schedule in the last 2 years. To get any respect in this league you need to schedule tough. Houston at least made some strides but still manage to play at least 2 teams in the 300+ of Kenpom.

I think they need to go 3-1 against their top tier games in non con

new orleans and fairfield are also good rpi teams

Providence (Neutral Court)
Arkansas
@LSU
@Saint Louis
colorado/wake (Neutral Court)
New Orleans
Fairfield

we can afford 2 losses in that bunch and still be comfortable...3 losses is survivable but would likely requires a great conference record

lt really depends on what games are losses. Ideally Houston needs to beat Arkansas and protect home court, then either steal a win from @LSU or @Saint Louis or Providence. In those 4 games 2-2 is a must but really 3-1 would be optimal. If Houston can only drop the game to providence and come away with 2 road wins and a win against Arkansas and doesn't lose any games they shouldn't lose, it will help them a ton.

Like I said, at least they didn't load the schedule with tons of really bad teams. I just hate to see any 300+ RPI teams on any AAC schedule. If you beat them by a 1000, you still drop in rankings and it hurts your overall schedule.

If UC ends up with a few games against 300+ competition, Ill be pretty pissed as well. We have too good of a team to do that.

That bad for both UC and Houston, is that were both displaced this season in another Arena while our's is getting redone. So getting high level buy games in, is very very expensive. You have to pay top dollar for them to come and also pay to use the Arena and because its further away from campus, also take a hit on sales.

UC has used this season to kinda get in some high quality road and neutral games to offset what will probably be some ****** buy games. So far we play @UCLA, @Xavier, Miss State, Florida*, Buffalo* then most likely another neutral with Richmond and Iowa. I imagine after its all lower level Home buy games

Tough to get information on the Green Wave Schedule
All I can find is @ UNC, FSU in Tampa, and Iowa State in a tourney in the Junkanoo Jam. Game 2 will be either Central Michigan or SD State.
I'm excited for the season - don't know how good we'll be, but we have much bigger and better athletes on the team than we've had in 15 years.