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RE: Awesome sign in the heavens right under mankinds nose and no one is looking
The book of Daniel was written hundreds of years after the stories discussed in the book, and much of it is based on the situation after the death of Alexander the Great and how the Maccabees revolted against the Greeks.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...aniel.html
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(04-12-2017 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ummm...I don't think the verses you quoted are in Daniel 2. I'm guessing you meant Daniel 12:11-12.

The assumptions being made by many are of the starting point for these periods. That is certainly the subject of much debate and uncertainty.


No assumptions are neccisary.. The text itself says the starting point is the AOD and the context of the chapter is the end time.

And yes, that was obviously a typo.
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(04-12-2017 12:20 PM)miko33 Wrote:  The book of Daniel was written hundreds of years after the stories discussed in the book, and much of it is based on the situation after the death of Alexander the Great and how the Maccabees revolted against the Greeks.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...aniel.html


Dating the oldest surviving copy of Daniel to 160 BC makes no difference whatsoever.

The key prophecies here were fulfilled almost 200 years later and then the end times.
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(04-12-2017 01:02 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ummm...I don't think the verses you quoted are in Daniel 2. I'm guessing you meant Daniel 12:11-12.

The assumptions being made by many are of the starting point for these periods. That is certainly the subject of much debate and uncertainty.


No assumptions are neccisary.. The text itself says the starting point is the AOD and the context of the chapter is the end time.

And yes, that was obviously a typo.

My point was that many biblical scholars...clearly smarter than us...can't agree on it.
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(04-12-2017 02:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My point was that many biblical scholars...clearly smarter than us...can't agree on it.


Why do you need a scholar to read English to you? The vast majority of scholars have long taken this just as written.

There is zero textual reason not to. Anyone who does is CHANGING WHAT IS PLAINLY WRITTEN. That is always an obvious red flag.

Unfortunately, even some scholars are often guilt of that. They give rise to people using that as an excuse to say "it could mean anything" and there is no real sense in studying it.

If it doesn't mean what it says, then you can make it mean anything you desire.
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(04-12-2017 02:49 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 02:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My point was that many biblical scholars...clearly smarter than us...can't agree on it.


Why do you need a scholar to read English to you? The vast majority of scholars have long taken this just as written.

There is zero textual reason not to. Anyone who does is CHANGING WHAT IS PLAINLY WRITTEN. That is always an obvious red flag.

Unfortunately, even some scholars are often guilt of that. They give rise to people using that as an excuse to say "it could mean anything" and there is no real sense in studying it.

If it doesn't mean what it says, then you can make it mean anything you desire.

Well it wasn't written in English!
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(04-18-2017 04:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 02:49 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 02:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My point was that many biblical scholars...clearly smarter than us...can't agree on it.


Why do you need a scholar to read English to you? The vast majority of scholars have long taken this just as written.

There is zero textual reason not to. Anyone who does is CHANGING WHAT IS PLAINLY WRITTEN. That is always an obvious red flag.

Unfortunately, even some scholars are often guilt of that. They give rise to people using that as an excuse to say "it could mean anything" and there is no real sense in studying it.

If it doesn't mean what it says, then you can make it mean anything you desire.

Well it wasn't written in English!


Come on, man. The King James bible is in English.

No one was asking him to read Hebrew or Greek. Even though anyone can now thanks to the online linear bibles.
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(04-18-2017 08:58 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-18-2017 04:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 02:49 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-12-2017 02:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  My point was that many biblical scholars...clearly smarter than us...can't agree on it.


Why do you need a scholar to read English to you? The vast majority of scholars have long taken this just as written.

There is zero textual reason not to. Anyone who does is CHANGING WHAT IS PLAINLY WRITTEN. That is always an obvious red flag.

Unfortunately, even some scholars are often guilt of that. They give rise to people using that as an excuse to say "it could mean anything" and there is no real sense in studying it.

If it doesn't mean what it says, then you can make it mean anything you desire.

Well it wasn't written in English!


Come on, man. The King James bible is in English.

No one was asking him to read Hebrew or Greek. Even though anyone can now thanks to the online linear bibles.

Just curious, do you subscribe to the notion that the KJV is the only 'true' version of the bible?
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(05-16-2017 08:45 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  Just curious, do you subscribe to the notion that the KJV is the only 'true' version of the bible?


Of course not. I often study the Hebrew and Greek text as well.

NKJV is pretty good, as well as some of the English standard versions. KJV is my personal preference, outside of the Greek and Hebrew interlinear.

If you really take bible study seriously, you will come to a point where the translation is less and less of an issue because you know the Greek or Hebrew and multiple common translations of key scriptures.

I recommend people work their way to a KJV, but some need a more modern translation in the early stages. Particularly when studying the OT.
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This thing has exploded on youtube now and its being twisted into a doomsday countdown to the tribulation or rapture by a LOT of people. That is also causing a lot of others to dismiss it out of hand because they are being told its the date of the rapture.

We have no idea if there is a rapture on 9-23 or not. As I have been saying for over 2 years now, the rapture can come today, 9-23, or any time after. When people begin setting a date, everyone just tunes them out. That means they tune out the entire thing.

Christ said Himself there would be signs in the Sun, Moon and Stars right before His return, and to WATCH for the signs of the times.

Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Matt 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.



The problem now is that ANY sign we get from the heavens will have people screaming its the rapture or tribulation, so everyone will dismiss it due to date setting nonsense. Even many Christians, thus most people are never going to give any of them a second look. Which means you miss them all because there was always someone screaming its the end/rapture.

Same thing happened with the blood moons. The blood moons were REAL and a real biblical sign, they were not meant to date set the end of days. They came and went, now people mock them because the world didn't end.

This fulfills the Scriptures though. The prophets said everyone would be mocking and scoffing at the end.

2 Peter 3:1-4
This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder,
2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles,
3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”
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Here is a brief visual of a point I was making way back at the beginning of the thread in 2015. This is why the text reads that the woman was "clothed in the Sun". We wear clothing to cover ourselves up from view. This would not have been visible by masses at any point in human history until the last 10 years,



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This is BY FAR the single most complete, accurate and detailed explanation of this entire thing. It includes answers for a lot of common questions and skeptics that come up again and again.

If you are still confused by the details of this or even what the heck it is, then this is a really great article for you to read over.


http://www.unsealed.org/2017/01/the-reve...ndium.html


Some high points from the questions in the article:



CLAIM: Looking for "signs" in the sky is astrology.


This is FALSE. Astrology is an idolatrous and occultic practice that often involves the deification of stars, planets, and moons. Astrologers often teach that these heavenly bodies control life on earth. To the contrary, the search for biblical signs in the heavens recognizes that it is the Creator God who made all things and set everything into motion in a preordained pattern. The heavenly bodies themselves have no power over our lives and we do not worship them.

The Bible explicitly says that there will be signs in the sky preceding the return of Christ (Matthew 24:30, Luke 21:11, Luke 21:25, Revelation 12:1-3). The Bible also says that the sun, moon, and stars were created for three reasons: 1. To separate day from night, 2. To give light to the earth, and 3. To indicate days, years, seasons, and signs (Genesis 1:14-15). Prophetic language frequently makes mention of lunar and solar eclipses (Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Revelation 6:12) and God often focuses our attention on the stars (Genesis 15:5, Isaiah 40:26, Job 38:31, Amos 5:8, Psalm 19:1).

Interestingly, the magi from the east were able to find the baby Jesus by following prophetic descriptions found in Numbers 24:17 and Genesis 49:9-10. They were able to identify the constellation Leo ("The Lion") with the tribe of Judah and followed the Star of Bethlehem as it moved west and came to rest over Bethlehem.


CLAIM: What John saw was symbolic.

This is TRUE. I think we can all agree that the sign John saw had definite symbolic and prophetic meaning - that is not in dispute. However, the text itself makes abundantly clear that this is more than just a parable: "A great sign appeared in heaven..." (Revelation 12:1).

I'm not saying the rapture will occur in September 2017, but I am saying that the heavenly sign John saw in Revelation 12 appears to be happening before our very eyes with whatever implications that brings and I believe Jesus will be calling us home very, very soon.


CLAIM: The rapture will occur on September 23rd, 2017.

This is either TRUE or FALSE. That might sound like a cop-out answer, but the truth of the matter is, it either will or it won't. It isn't a possibility, it's either for-sure or for-sure-not. Whatever God has planned will happen and I'm committed to not date setting. As a fallen human being, I'm the one prone to intellectual deficiencies and lack of understanding, but God's Word is true and will stand the test of time.

The "great sign" described in Revelation 12:1-2 portrays the woman pregnant and in labor, but the male child is not yet born. It isn't until verse 5 that the male child is said to be born. If the intervening second sign of Revelation 12:3-4 signals that there is a gap between the "great sign" of the woman in labor and the subsequent birth of the child and the child being "caught up", then there are three other significant dates to watch
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Today is Pentecost Sunday.

Even so COME LORD. MARANATHA!



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As we know, the NT in the KJB is a translation and that the earliest manuscripts are in GREEK. We have still surviving manuscripts of all the NT books dating back 1700+ years, including copies of Rev 12. Its vital to look at the Greek here concerning Rev 12:4 & 5, because it opens up some hidden details in the text that gets lost in translation.

Rev 12:5 tells us the child is to rule all nations with a Rod of Iron, and that promise was only given to Christ and His Body (Rev 2:26-27)

Rev 12:4-5

4 .........and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her CHILD as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her CHILD was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The highlighted words here in the original Greek are "TEKNON".

Rev 12:4 GREEK : http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12-4.htm
Rev 12:5 GREEK : http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/12-5.htm

"HUIOS" is the Greek word for a single male child - http://biblehub.com/greek/5207.htm -

"TEKNON" has a different application than "HUIOS". "TEKNON" is used multiple times in the NT and it refers to a larger body of people, as opposed to one single, specific person.

For example, here is how its used in some well known passages:


Matt 27:25
- "His blood shall be on us and our TEKNON (children)"

Matt 2:18 - "Rachel, weeping for her TEKNON (children)"

Matt 3:9 - "to raise up TEKNON (children) to Abraham"

Romans 8:16 - "that we are the TEKNON (children) of God"

Mark 13:12 - brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the TEKNON (child):

John 8:39
- "If ye were Abraham's TEKNON (children), ye would do the works of Abraham"

John 11:52 - he should gather together in one the TEKNON (children) of God

Acts 2:39
- For the promise is unto you, and to your TEKNON (children)




Now re-read in context with the original Greek

Rev 12:4 - (the dragon stood ready) to devour her TEKNON as soon as it was born."

Rev 12:5
......"and her TEKNON was caught up unto God and His throne."


The 1700 year old Greek texts identity the child as a body of people, not a single, specific person.
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I suspect we'll be posting in this thread on 9-24-2017. Either way I'm ready.
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(06-19-2017 04:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I suspect we'll be posting in this thread on 9-24-2017. Either way I'm ready.


I suspect we will be posting on 9-25 as well. 9-26 as well.

The only people expecting the world to end on 9-23 are morons who don't know what they are talking about.

Some think I am actually predicting the world to end on 9-23, despite 2 full years of me posting otherwise in this thread. People have a strong tenancy to hear and read what they want to hear and read, not what was actually said or written.

Many people today are so utterly dishonest and willfully stupid, that I can guarantee someone will show up here on 9-24 and scream "the world didn't end", or "were still here, ha ha ha", as if I had ever once predicted otherwise.
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I realize not everyone can walk outside and spot Jupiter and Virgo, and not everyone has stellarium, and many others can't even figure out how to work it even if they do. Its nothing to be embarrassed about, its complicated stuff for a beginner. I have the rare advantage of being an astronomy nerd since I was a child. lol

So here is a really good visual walk through from stellarium so you can see more clearly why you can confirm with your own eyes that this is not some hoax or absurd conspiracy theory. Its just math and science.

The walkthrough on stellaruim stars at 5:21 mark. He also compares it with several other dates so you can clearly see the difference for yourself and how all this works.







I would suggest watching it on full screen. He walks through the entire 9-23-2017 date both first ,and again at the end.
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