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(06-18-2017 06:11 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  Honest question, not trying to troll. What has Old Dominion done to deserve being ranked ahead of Troy? May be because I've seen both teams play App multiple times and ODU didn't have their best days in Norfolk or Boone, losing 49-0 and 31-7. Troy returns 98% of their total offense from a 10-3 team which was ranked in the top 25 at one point. What does ODU have returning?

Nothing really, but this is just another preseason poll that doesn't mean anything.
ODU benefited from the weakest schedule in CUSA last year. Besides WKU, App was their toughest opponent. That's a cupcake schedule. They didn't play Tech or MTSU and got Southern Miss without Mullins.

BTW that Troy team lasted 1 week in the Top 25 before getting blown out by Arkansas State.
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(06-18-2017 07:05 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 06:11 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  Honest question, not trying to troll. What has Old Dominion done to deserve being ranked ahead of Troy? May be because I've seen both teams play App multiple times and ODU didn't have their best days in Norfolk or Boone, losing 49-0 and 31-7. Troy returns 98% of their total offense from a 10-3 team which was ranked in the top 25 at one point. What does ODU have returning?

Nothing really, but this is just another preseason poll that doesn't mean anything.
ODU benefited from the weakest schedule in CUSA last year. Besides WKU, App was their toughest opponent. That's a cupcake schedule. They didn't play Tech or MTSU and got Southern Miss without Mullins.

BTW that Troy team lasted 1 week in the Top 25 before getting blown out by Arkansas State.

Exactly, ODU's 10-3 is deceptive because of their schedule.

I'm well aware of what Troy did once they reached the top 25 (it helped my school win a conference title) but they return most everyone from that team and ODU has nothing to compare to that achievement. Anyway, like you say, meaningless ranking. Its just hard to take them seriously with these types of mistakes.
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(06-18-2017 07:55 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 07:05 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 06:11 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  Honest question, not trying to troll. What has Old Dominion done to deserve being ranked ahead of Troy? May be because I've seen both teams play App multiple times and ODU didn't have their best days in Norfolk or Boone, losing 49-0 and 31-7. Troy returns 98% of their total offense from a 10-3 team which was ranked in the top 25 at one point. What does ODU have returning?

Nothing really, but this is just another preseason poll that doesn't mean anything.
ODU benefited from the weakest schedule in CUSA last year. Besides WKU, App was their toughest opponent. That's a cupcake schedule. They didn't play Tech or MTSU and got Southern Miss without Mullins.

BTW that Troy team lasted 1 week in the Top 25 before getting blown out by Arkansas State.

Exactly, ODU's 10-3 is deceptive because of their schedule.

I'm well aware of what Troy did once they reached the top 25 (it helped my school win a conference title) but they return most everyone from that team and ODU has nothing to compare to that achievement. Anyway, like you say, meaningless ranking. Its just hard to take them seriously with these types of mistakes.

It doesn't make much sense to this ODU guy. We'll be good, but not that good.
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(06-18-2017 07:55 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 07:05 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 06:11 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  Honest question, not trying to troll. What has Old Dominion done to deserve being ranked ahead of Troy? May be because I've seen both teams play App multiple times and ODU didn't have their best days in Norfolk or Boone, losing 49-0 and 31-7. Troy returns 98% of their total offense from a 10-3 team which was ranked in the top 25 at one point. What does ODU have returning?

Nothing really, but this is just another preseason poll that doesn't mean anything.
ODU benefited from the weakest schedule in CUSA last year. Besides WKU, App was their toughest opponent. That's a cupcake schedule. They didn't play Tech or MTSU and got Southern Miss without Mullins.

BTW that Troy team lasted 1 week in the Top 25 before getting blown out by Arkansas State.

Exactly, ODU's 10-3 is deceptive because of their schedule.

I'm well aware of what Troy did once they reached the top 25 (it helped my school win a conference title) but they return most everyone from that team and ODU has nothing to compare to that achievement. Anyway, like you say, meaningless ranking. Its just hard to take them seriously with these types of mistakes.

It has to be Marketz.
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Well, it's a little late coming, but after a big Fathers' Day, here's the update. With Troy in at 68, it looks like the Sun Belt has fully cemented its position at the bottom of the pile.

AAC 71.67
MWC 83.92
C-USA 86.07
MAC 91.59
SBC 98.67

6/18/2017

Includes Troy at 68

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...-rankings/

68. Troy
69. Miami (Ohio)
70. Boston College
71. Texas Tech
72. Army
73. Middle Tennessee
74. Ball State
75. Arkansas State
76. Syracuse
77. New Mexico
78. Georgia Tech
79. Western Michigan
80. Oregon State
81. Southern Miss
82. Pitt
83. UTSA
84. Nevada
85. Duke
86. Purdue
87. Northern Illinois
88. Georgia Southern
89. Marshall
90. Eastern Michigan
91. Florida International
92. Virginia
93. Rutgers
94. Colorado State
95. Central Michigan
96. Hawaii
97. SMU
98. Air Force
99. Louisiana Monroe
100. North Texas
101. Ohio
102. East Carolina
103. San Jose State
104. Bowling Green
105. South Alabama
106. Florida Atlantic
107. Tulane
108. Louisiana Lafayette
109. Iowa State
110. Rice
111. Temple
112. Idaho
113. UNLV
114. UTEP
115 Coastal Carolina
116. Akron
117. Utah State
118. Cincinnati
119. Kansas
120. Illinois
121. UCONN
122. Kent State
123. Fresno State
124. GA State
125. UMASS
126. Charlotte
127. New Mexico State
128. Buffalo
129. Texas State
130. UAB

AAC - 6 UCONN (121), Cincinnati (118), Temple (111), Tulane (107), East Carolina (102), SMU (97)
C-USA - 11 UAB (130), Charlotte (126), UTEP (114), Rice (110), FAU (106), North Texas (100), FIU (91), Marshall (89), UTSA (83), Southern Miss (81), Middle Tennessee (73)
MAC - 11 Buffalo (128), Kent State (122), Akron (116), Bowling Green (104) Ohio, (101), Central Michigan (95), Eastern Michigan (90), Northern Illinois (87), Western Michigan (79), Ball State (74), Miami (Ohio) 69
MT West - 9 Fresno State (123), Utah State (117), UNLV (113), San Jose State (103), Air Force (98), Hawaii (96), Colorado State (94), Nevada (84), New Mexico (77)
Sun Belt - 11 Texas State (129), NM State (127), GA State (124), Coastal Carolina (115), Idaho (112), Louisiana Lafayette (108), South Alabama (105), Louisiana Monroe (99), Georgia Southern (88), Arkansas State (75), Troy (68)

Big 12 - 3 Kansas (119), Iowa State (109), Texas Tech (71)
B1G - 3 Illinois (120), Rutgers (93), Purdue (86)
ACC - 6 Virginia (92), Duke (85), Pitt (82), Georgia Tech (78), Syracuse (76), Boston College (70)
PAC12 - 1 Oregon State (80)

Independent - 2 UMASS (125), Army (72)
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Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

Includes Tulsa at 67

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...-rankings/

67. Tulsa
68. Troy
69. Miami (Ohio)
70. Boston College
71. Texas Tech
72. Army
73. Middle Tennessee
74. Ball State
75. Arkansas State
76. Syracuse
77. New Mexico
78. Georgia Tech
79. Western Michigan
80. Oregon State
81. Southern Miss
82. Pitt
83. UTSA
84. Nevada
85. Duke
86. Purdue
87. Northern Illinois
88. Georgia Southern
89. Marshall
90. Eastern Michigan
91. Florida International
92. Virginia
93. Rutgers
94. Colorado State
95. Central Michigan
96. Hawaii
97. SMU
98. Air Force
99. Louisiana Monroe
100. North Texas
101. Ohio
102. East Carolina
103. San Jose State
104. Bowling Green
105. South Alabama
106. Florida Atlantic
107. Tulane
108. Louisiana Lafayette
109. Iowa State
110. Rice
111. Temple
112. Idaho
113. UNLV
114. UTEP
115 Coastal Carolina
116. Akron
117. Utah State
118. Cincinnati
119. Kansas
120. Illinois
121. UCONN
122. Kent State
123. Fresno State
124. GA State
125. UMASS
126. Charlotte
127. New Mexico State
128. Buffalo
129. Texas State
130. UAB

AAC - 7 UCONN (121), Cincinnati (118), Temple (111), Tulane (107), East Carolina (102), SMU (97), Tulsa (67)
C-USA - 11 UAB (130), Charlotte (126), UTEP (114), Rice (110), FAU (106), North Texas (100), FIU (91), Marshall (89), UTSA (83), Southern Miss (81), Middle Tennessee (73)
MAC - 11 Buffalo (128), Kent State (122), Akron (116), Bowling Green (104) Ohio, (101), Central Michigan (95), Eastern Michigan (90), Northern Illinois (87), Western Michigan (79), Ball State (74), Miami (Ohio) 69
MT West - 9 Fresno State (123), Utah State (117), UNLV (113), San Jose State (103), Air Force (98), Hawaii (96), Colorado State (94), Nevada (84), New Mexico (77)
Sun Belt - 11 Texas State (129), NM State (127), GA State (124), Coastal Carolina (115), Idaho (112), Louisiana Lafayette (108), South Alabama (105), Louisiana Monroe (99), Georgia Southern (88), Arkansas State (75), Troy (68)

Big 12 - 3 Kansas (119), Iowa State (109), Texas Tech (71)
B1G - 3 Illinois (120), Rutgers (93), Purdue (86)
ACC - 6 Virginia (92), Duke (85), Pitt (82), Georgia Tech (78), Syracuse (76), Boston College (70)
PAC12 - 1 Oregon State (80)

Independent - 2 UMASS (125), Army (72)
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(06-19-2017 05:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"
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Oldtimer's Potential order for the OS Rank selection. I'm Copping Out a little, I decided to go with a RANK RANGE. LOL

94-90. FIU (4-8) Picked at # 91
90-85. Marshall (3-9) Picked at # 89
87- 83. North Texas (5-8) Picked at # 100
85-80. UTSA (6-7) Picked at #83
85-.78 USM (7-6) Picked at #81
82-76 . ODU (10-3) Will be PICKED by Matt higher than I originally predicted
75- 70. MTSU (8-5) Picked at #73
73- 65. LA Tech (9-5)
62-55. WKU (11-3)[/b]

3 CUSA teams to be selected.........go CUSA


NOW ONLY TWO left on my Nostradamus Predictions 6/19/17 Maryland has to be PICKED soon.....

15). Boston College ACC P5 PICKED # 70
14). Army Independent # 71
13). Rutgers Big Ten P5 PICKED at # 93
12). Ball State MAC G5 PICKED at # 75
11). FIU C-USA G5 PICKED at # 91
10) Maryland Big Ten P5
9). East Carolina AAC G5 PICKED at # 101
8). Purdue Big Ten P5 Picked at # # 86
7). Eastern Michigan MAC G5 Picked at #90
6). SMU AAC G5 Picked at # 97
5). Vanderbilt SEC P5
4). Hawaii Mountain West G5 Picked at#96
3). Virginia ACC P5 PICKED at # 92
2). Louisiana-Monroe Sun Belt G5 PICKED at # 99
1). Miami (Ohio) MAC G5 PICKED at # 102


REMINDER 2016 COUNTDOWN

63 Teams PICKED 67 to go...

2016 Selections
1 Clemson ACC 14-1
2 Oklahoma Big 12 11-2
3 Alabama SEC 14-1
4 Notre Dame Independent 10-3
5 Oklahoma State Big 12 10-3
6 Florida State ACC 10-3
7 Ohio State Big Ten 12-1
8 UCLA Pac-12 8-5
9 Michigan Big Ten 10- 3
10 Baylor Big 12 10-3
11 Tennessee SEC 9-4
12 Stanford Pac-12 12-2
13 LSU SEC 9-3
14 Houston ACC 13-1
15 Michigan State Big Ten 12-2
16 Ole Miss SEC 10-3
17 USC Pac-12 8-6
18 Wisconsin Big Ten 10-3
19 North Carolina ACC 11-3
20 Oregon Pac-12 9-4
21 Florida SEC 10-4
22 Iowa Big Ten 12-2
23 Louisville ACC 8-5
24 Northwestern Big Ten 10-3
25 Miami ACC 8-5
26 Georgia SEC 10-3
27 Penn State Big Ten 7-6
28 TCU Big 12 11-2.
29 Pittsburgh ACC 8-5
30 Washington State Pac-12 9-4
31 Western Kentucky C-USA 12-2
32 Arkansas SEC 8-5
33 Boise State Mountain West 9-4
34 Utah Pac-12 10-6
35 Nebraska Big Ten 6-7
36 Virginia Tech ACC 7-6
37 Auburn SEC 7-6
38 Washington Pac-12 7-6
39 Texas A&M SEC 8-5
40 Temple AAC 10-4
41 Air Force Mountain West 8-6
42 Arizona Pac-12 7-6
43 Mississippi State SEC 9-4
44 Western Michigan MAC 8-5
45 USF AAC 8-5
46 Central Michigan MAC 7-6
47 Texas Big 12 5-7
48 Toledo MAC 10-2
49 San Diego State Mountain West 11-3
50 Northern Illinois MAC 8-6
51 Cincinnati AAC 7-6
52 Appalachian State Sun Belt 11-2
53 Bowling Green MAC 10-4
54 South Carolina SEC 3-9
55 Southern Miss C-USA 9-5 # 81 Down 26 Places
56 Georgia Southern Sun Belt 9-4
57 Marshall C-USA 10-3 # 85 DOWN 28 Places
58 West Virginia Big 12 8-5
59 Minnesota Big Ten 6-7
60 Colorado State Mountain West 7-6
61 Ohio MAC 8-5
62 Memphis AAC 9-4
63 Middle Tennessee C-USA 7-6 #72 DOWN 9 Places
64 NC State ACC 7-6
65 Arkansas State Sun Belt 9-4
66 Louisiana Tech C-USA 9-4
67 Navy AAC 11-2
68 Duke ACC 8-5
69 BYU Independent 9-4
70 Texas Tech Big 12 7-6
71 UConn AAC 6-7

72 Utah State Mountain West 6-7
73 Arizona State Pac-12 6-7
74 Georgia Tech ACC 3-9
75 Kansas State Big 12 6-7
76 Tulsa AAC 6-7# 67
77 Nevada Mountain West 7-6
78 Georgia State Sun 6-7

79 Kentucky SEC 5-7
80 California Pac-12 8-5
81 Indiana Big Ten 6-7
82 East Carolina AAC 5-7
83 Boston College ACC 3-9

84 Missouri SEC 5-7
85 Fresno State Mountain West 3-9
86 Syracuse ACC 4-8

87 FAU C-USA 3-9 2016 # 106 DOWN 19 Places
88 New Mexico Mountain West 7-6
89 Troy Sun Belt 4-8
90 UCF AAC 0-12
91 San Jose State Mountain West 6-7
92 Buffalo MAC 5-7 #128
93 Vanderbilt SEC 4-8
94 Idaho Sun Belt 4-8
95 Old Dominion C-USA 5-7
96 Maryland Big Ten 3-9
97 Louisiana-Lafayette Sun Belt 4-8
98 Virginia ACC 5-8

99 Texas-San Antonio C-USA 3-9 Picked at 83 UP 16 Places
100 Akron MAC 8-5
101 Rutgers Big Ten 4-8
102 Colorado Pac-12 4-9
103 Wake Forest ACC 3-9
104 Ball State MAC 3-9

105 UTEP C-USA 5-7 2017 # 114 DOWN 9 Places
106 Illinois Big Ten 5-7
107 Kent State MAC 3-9

108 Rice C-USA 5-7 2017 110 DOWN 2 Places
109 South Alabama Sun Belt 5-7
110 Eastern Michigan MAC 1-11 #110
111 Texas State Sun Belt 3-9 #129
112 FIU C-USA 5-7 2017 91 UP 21 Places
113 UNLV Mountain West 3-9
114 Iowa State Big 12 3-9

115 Charlotte C-USA 2-10 2017 #126 DOWN 11 places
116 Oregon State Pac-12 2-10
117 Wyoming Mountain West 2-10
118 New Mexico State Sun Belt 3-9 #127
119 Purdue Big Ten 2-10
120 Kansas BIG 12 0-12
121 Hawaii Mountain West 3-10
122 SMU AAC 2-10
123 Louisiana-Monroe Sun Belt 2-11
124 Miami (Ohio) MAC 3-9
125 Army Independent 2-10
126 Tulane AAC 3-9
127 North Texas Conference USA 1-11 2017 #100 UP 27 places
128 UMass Independent 3-9
130 UAB NOT ON 2016 LIST

ONLY 13 G5's LEFT...... Here is a possible FINISH for the remaining G5 conference teams.............maybe?
AAC (5)
USF
Houston
Memphis
Navy
UCF
T̶u̶l̶s̶a̶ Picked # 67

C-USA (3)
Western Kentucky
LA Tech
Old Dominion
M̶i̶d̶d̶l̶e̶ T̶e̶n̶n̶e̶s̶s̶e̶e̶ Picked #73

Mountain West (3)
Boise State
San Diego State
Wyoming

MAC (1)
Toledo
M̶i̶a̶m̶i̶ (̶O̶h̶i̶o̶)̶ Picked # 69

Sun Belt (1)
Appalachian State
T̶r̶o̶y̶ - Picked #68

AGGIE, MY PICKS

1. Which conference will be the first to have all teams selected? MAC
I agree I think the MAC will have both Miami (Ohio),PICKED # 69 & Toledo before any other G5 conference is filled in.
ONLY ONE TO GO

2. Which conference will be the last to have all teams selected? ACC ...AAC ?
Yep....I agree AAC, I thing USF and Houston will be the last TWO (2) selected from the five conferences I think NAVY will need to have a good replacement for their QB they lost to have a great year..

3. Which team will be next to be selected? UCF
Maybe Tulsa PICKED #67 , they need a QB just like ODU. It might be us.... IMO I think UCF will be really good this year. Last year they only lost to Temple by a point and almost beat Houston They had a fantastic recruiting class for 2017, the #1 class in the AAC. They picked up one of the top freshman running backs in the country with another RB that was a 4 star. The also snagged a local QB from Norview Darriel Mack out of Norfolk. He had an outstanding Sr. year. He may red shirt. The 2017 class had 20 3 stars and a 4 star gave them a monster recruiting class.. BINGO

4 Which team will be last to be selected? Navy
USF AAC - They are returning almost every one from last years team that went 10 -3. Their only defeat in the AAC was to Temple. They also were very competitive against Florida St..

5. What will be the G5 order of the average ranks after all are selected?
AAC, C-USA, Mountain West, MAC, Sun Belt
Perfect.... AAC, C-USA, Mountain West, MAC..................SBC.

6. Does anybody care? Not really.
LOL, Care maybe not, but enjoy the off season chatter...YES. Thanks for all the work AGGIE..

I Think @Wyoming, *Toledo or #Old Dominion may be up in the next few picks. I hope it is Wyoming. The MWC will be intriguing for the final order. San Diego State had a unbelievable 2016 going 11-3 ending the year with a win over Houston in the Las Vegas Bowl and RANKED # 25 in the final poll. They lose a lot of starters from last years team but keep their QB and a strong group from their defensive unit. Than if you look or compare Boise State, the MWC may finish ahead of CUSA slightly, all will certainly depend on the pick first of ODU and Wyoming. Than next SDS against LA Tech and finally the placement of WKU compared to Boise. After a closer review, I do think the MWC will edge out ahead of CUSA. We will see in just a few weeks.

*Toledo
will need to replenish a strong offensive squad from last year. They return their QB but have lost some very key players from a team that did a lot of scoring (averaged about 40 points per game). They played App state really strong last year in the Camellia Bowl losing 31 -28. (Logan Woodside, Toledo's QB is OUTSTANDING
Woodside headlined Toledo’s explosive offense last season and torching opposing defenses for 4,129 yards and 45 scores. He tossed at least two touchdowns in every game and finished fourth nationally by completing 69.1 percent of his throws). He would be the reason for them to be picked higher, if Matt feels this offsets their other loses.

@ Wyoming will be stealer on defense maybe one of the best in the country, especially at the G5 ranks. However, they will be in need of some offensive weapons as they only return 6 players on the offensive side of the ball not including their QB.

# ODU, first off ODU will need to replace a QB that knew how to move the chains. The defense will be good but will need to replace some key loses from last year. ODU did rank in the top 25 in many defense categories #4 in turn over margin, # 15 fumble recoveries and in the top 50 for overall defense last year. The big question mark will remain the QB position. The new JC transfer Jordan Hoy out of Fullerton JC was outstanding in HS... Highlights.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t1dfpjNPtU He also had a very strong Freshman season at Fullerton. A 6-foot-1, 195-pound native of Rockwall, Texas, Hoy completed 246 of 391 passes for 3,434 yards and a school-record 37 touchdowns against just six interceptions last fall. He also rushed for 712 yards and nine touchdowns and led the team in passing and rushing. He was named the 2016 Southern California junior college offensive player of the year. Will have 3 years of eligibility left.
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(06-19-2017 05:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"

Here's what I mean. The separation between the P5 cellar dweller and the G5 leader is growing, and, to my mind, the grouping is obvious.

P5

SEC 33.50
PAC-12 37.38
B1G 47.68
BIG-12 53.35
ACC 53.64

[b]G5


AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
(06-19-2017 07:12 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 06:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 05:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"

Here's what I mean. The separation between the P5 cellar dweller and the G5 leader is growing, and, to my mind, the grouping is obvious.

P5

SEC 33.50
PAC-12 37.38
B1G 47.68
BIG-12 53.35
ACC 53.64

[b]G5


AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

It makes more of a case as an interim conference, than a member of either side tbh
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(06-19-2017 07:12 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 06:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  [quote='ODU AGGIE' pid='14404592' dateline='1497869934']

Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"

Here's what I mean. The separation between the P5 cellar dweller and the G5 leader is growing, and, to my mind, the grouping is obvious.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

SEC 33.50
PAC-12 37.38
B1G 47.68
BIG-12 53.35
ACC 53.64

[b]G5


AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

I agree Aggie, clearly at this time the separation between the P5's and the G5's is a distinctive separation. This year there even seems (reflected by this poll) a larger separation than from years past. The ACC will still have a very strong top of the conference results and yes so will the top of the AAC, but it is still a stretch.
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
(06-19-2017 06:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 05:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"

Looks to me like the AAC tweener,
Gang of 3..
then the belt of horrors..
06-19-2017 07:53 AM
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
(06-19-2017 07:53 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 06:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 05:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"

Looks to me like the AAC tweener,
Gang of 3..
then the belt of horrors..

P5

SEC 33.50
PAC-12 37.38
B1G 47.68
BIG-12 53.35
ACC 53.64

G5

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

Don't see a tweener here. Over twenty points from last P5 to first G5. Less than ten points for G5 leader to G5 second place. Just about 25 points from G5 first place to G5 last place. Twenty points from P5 first place to P5 last place. Got a really clear delineation between P5 and G5. But then, I guess, as they say, its always in the eyes of the beholder. You see what you want to see.
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
(06-19-2017 08:24 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 07:53 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 06:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 05:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"

Looks to me like the AAC tweener,
Gang of 3..
then the belt of horrors..

P5

SEC 33.50
PAC-12 37.38
B1G 47.68
BIG-12 53.35
ACC 53.64

G5

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

Don't see a tweener here. Over twenty points from last P5 to first G5. Less than ten points for G5 leader to G5 second place. Just about 25 points from G5 first place to G5 last place. Twenty points from P5 first place to P5 last place. Got a really clear delineation between P5 and G5. But then, I guess, as they say, its always in the eyes of the beholder. You see what you want to see.

In this ranking the P5s are clearly separated from the rest of us, and the AAC is clearly within the G5 grouping. For now, I break it down like this. But it could change, except for the Belt. By this ranking they are stuck in last place.

P5
1st- SEC 33.50
2nd- PAC-12 37.38
3rd- B1G 47.68
4th- BIG-12 53.35
4th- ACC 53.64

G5
Top
AAC 74.21

2nd Tier
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96

3rd Tier
MAC 91.54

Cellar
SBC 98.63
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
(06-19-2017 06:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 05:58 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Tulsa is in at 67, and the AAC firmly establishes itself as still in the G5. Here's the G5 updated projected final average ranking.

AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63

6/19/2017

A larger difference between the AAC and MWC, than the MWC and SBC is hardly what I would call "firmly established"

If only we didn't have to depend on the whims of a sports journalist to put us into groups.

If only there was some sort of governing body that put our ten conferences into one of two groups.

Surely if the conferences in one group were playing for more money, more prestigious bowls et al and the conferences in the other group were playing for something like temporary "access" to those more preatigious bowls... surely that would put this to rest.

If only...
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
FBS Conference Avg Rankings
SEC 33.50
PAC-12 37.38
B1G 47.68
BIG-12 53.35
ACC 53.64
AAC 74.21
MWC 83.80
C-USA 85.96
MAC 91.54
SBC 98.63


Simple enough.
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
Preseason polls don't matter, CUSA top teams have waxed the top AAC teams in bowl games. Not only CUSA, but Houston got destroyed by MWC SDSU and UCF was manhandled by SBC Arkansas State. The top AAC teams get clobbered in bowl games by other top G5 teams. Yep clear separation! 03-lmfao
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
It is one thing to do that one year. We need to do it every year
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
Troy at 68 is pretty funny, they could receive votes at some point this year. I'm fine with the SBC finishing last in a preseason poll, those don't pay much.
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RE: Orlando Sentinel Countdown
(06-19-2017 10:15 AM)CameramanJ Wrote:  It is one thing to do that one year. We need to do it every year

The year before WKU beat USF, Marshall beat UCONN, Toledo dominated ranked Temple and SDSU crushed Cincinnati.

One thing is for sure the top AAC teams get crushed in bowl games by other G5 schools. Their tops teams have yet to prove any separation when it counts on the field
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