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(05-21-2017 07:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 02:03 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.


I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

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Wright State is in financial hell right now. They will not add a football program. Come back to earth.


I said they have club football. Adding non-scholarship would not cost that much since the club team already have the equipment.

What don't you understand about financial hell? They are not adding anything. I know facts are difficult for you but you should probably read up.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/sp...ahpqhS2lM/


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(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.


I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

Please post the source on that, I bet you cant because they are not in the position to start football at all and no, and I mean NO Conference will touch them do to their bad Academics05-nono
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UWM isn't starting football because there is no where to play. Soccer stadium plans fell apart a few years ago and I haven't heard a peep since then. Also, kind of hard to believe that the school could start football at this point in time. The new AD ticked off the alums with deep pockets, so much so that their biggest booster just donated several million to Marquette.

Speaking of Marquette, there is no way they are starting football in the near future. There was talk in the early 90s of bringing it back at the non-scholarship level. I heard some talk in the mid-90s of them considering starting an NAIA program, since they could offer some scholarships to get the program up and running. But, that talk might have been some isolated thinking in the athletic department. The line out of the athletic department now is that they will only compete in sports at the highest level (in other words, no non-scholarship football) and no one has offered them The $100+ million to restart the program. Even then, I think they would turn down the cash.
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(05-20-2017 02:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  If it were like the process of locating the first state colleges in Arkansas it likely required donating land building a road to the nearest railroad station and other such things.
When I was in college more than once I heard the legend that a nearby town had rejected the chance to be the home for AState. Few years back I'm researching the early days of the university and see that the town that had "turned down" the school had submitted a bid, it just wasn't as lucrative.

Good point. I know that some other major state universities were selected because their county put up the highest bid to put it there, and then you had Morrill Act land-grants to consider as well. If NIU was proposed in Rockford then the city plus Winnebago County probably would've had to shell out a lot to put it there; if the University of Illinois at Rockford was proposed, the state probably would've had more financial responsibility over its foundation.

That's how Purdue started. It was even more unique because one man provided the local funds: John Purdue. That's why the school is named after him.

In Washington State, it was an even more blatant game of politics. The three largest cities (Olympia, Seattle, and another one) controlled a little more than half the territorial legislature. There were three big projects to choose locations for: the state's capital, university, and jail. Those three cities divided up the inducements among themselves. As a result, Seattle (population 188) got a university before it got a high school.
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(05-21-2017 04:44 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If NIU was proposed in Rockford then the city plus Winnebago County probably would've had to shell out a lot to put it there; if the University of Illinois at Rockford was proposed, the state probably would've had more financial responsibility over its foundation.

There are lots and lots of stories, mostly urban legends about why and where universities are located in Illinois. Some fun detail here: http://csnbbs.com/thread-287234.html

For instance, (much like the other post of WA locations for school, jail and capital) there are stories that there was a committee to place the University of Illinois in either Kankakee, or Champaign:

Quote:the rumor was always the the City of Kankakee was give a choice by the State of Illinois if the city wanted a college, or a mental health facility. Being as far back in time as it was when this decision was made, the town elders thought that higher education would never catch on and that big money could be made housing the insane. The named their new money wagon the Illinois Eastern Hospital for the Insane.......

Well we know how well that turned out, considering the cities of Champaign and Urbana snapped up the new University of Illinois and the city of Kankakee now has nothing but the ruins of Shapiro Developmental Center. http://www.rootsweb.com/~asylums/kankakee_il/index.html

Then, other posters chime in:

Quote:When I went to high school, I heard that exact same rumor, only it was Elgin choosing the mental hospital over a university. Funny how these stories get around

Quote:hahaha I heard the same deal with Joliet. We took a prison

Who knows? Fun to chat about, regardless.
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Wiki says this (from a now dead Dekalb Historical Society link)

The Kishwaukee River has been exploited, negatively and positively, by humans for thousands of years. One of its more colorful interactions in the past occurred in the city of DeKalb and surrounds the story of Northern Illinois University locating in that city.

In 1893 a new Illinois governor took office, John P. Altgeld. Altgeld had run on a platform which included adding more teacher colleges to the state, specifically in northern Illinois. Altgeld, a Democrat, faced considerable opposition to his plan in the Republican controlled Illinois General Assembly. In order to spur the plan ahead Clinton Rosette, the publisher of the local DeKalb newspaper began to put pressure on Altgeld to fulfill his promises. Then, Isaac Ellwood tossed his hat into the foray. The barbed wire baron used his influence, as a Republican, to press the state legislature, soon a bill was drafted and introduced to build a state teacher's college somewhere in northern Illinois.

As could be imagined many communities were vying for the new college after the bill became law on May 22, 1895. Delegates from Rockford, Freeport, Oregon, Dixon, Fulton and Polo began lobbying the selection committee for the new college to come to their towns. Every one of the communities in the running for the new college was a river town. Rockford, Oregon and Polo each had the scenic Rock River as inticement for the new college. Fulton had the Mississippi River. But DeKalb had only the Kishwaukee River, practically a creek compared to the Rock and, of course, the Mississippi. In July 1895 the selection committee, which included Judge A.A. Goodrich of Chicago, visited each of the communities in the running.

Ellwood noticed how impressed the committee was with the Rock River so he arranged for DeKalb to be the last community visited. The selection committee decided to take a weekend to rest and visit DeKalb on a Monday. The city had a weekend to prepare. What happened next could be described as deceit, skulduggery, or pulling the wool over.

Julys in northern Illinois are often hot and dry and the Kishwaukee River is little more than a trickle at times, at the least its water levels are extremely low. DeKalb had a plan though. The residents of the city agreed to go without water for the weekend and two dams were quickly constructed on the Kishwaukee. Nearly every member of the community turned out to help dredge mud in key locations and replace it with gravel and pebbles.

The selection committee began their inspection tour on Monday morning. As the committee and Ellwood crossed the bridge over what became Lincoln Highway the dam was released giving the impression of a full, scenic river. Just as the committee crossed the bridge a lone fisherman in his boat near the bridge happened to catch a rather large fish in plain sight of the committee. Impressed, the committee also took note of a stringer of large fish attached to the boat. Ellwood completed the ruse, remarking, "The Kish has always provided us with a good supply of fish."

Of course, the other communities trying to attract what would become Northern Illinois University were not so impressed. A July 1895 editorial in the Oregon Republican complained, "Just where this fish came from is unknown, but it looked haggard and footsore, like it had tramped a long distance. There is some talk of stocking the Kish with salt-cured cod. They stand the pressure all right in either a wet or dry season." The committee paid it no mind and DeKalb was accepted as a finalist to be the host site for the new college. On July 15 each of the finalist communities made their pitch to Goodrich in Chicago.

If the river was not enough other prominent DeKalbians offered up their own incentives for the college to come to the small city of 5,000. Jacob Haish offered to donate $100,000 to the college library and Ellwood offered a $30,000 donation to build housing adjacent to the campus. Joseph Glidden, another of the barbed wire barons of DeKalb, offered to donate 70 acres (280,000 m2) of land for the college. The city of DeKalb offered sewer, water and road connections.

On Oct. 1, 1895 news reached DeKalb that it had been selected as the site for the new college. A celebration exploded with fireworks and factory horns blaring and flags waving from nearly every structure.[8]
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(05-22-2017 11:08 AM)lance99 Wrote:  
(05-21-2017 08:39 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 06:33 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Pioneer already has Butler, Dayton, Drake, and Valparaiso. You could throw Morehead State in with that group as well. Campbell has already announced its departure, so the only outliers are San Diego, Marist, and the two Florida schools. Stetson and Jacksonville have a default home in the Big South should they add scholarships, and the Big South would probably take Marist as well. San Diego could replace North Dakota in the Big Sky.


I am looking at talks about several D1 schools that mentioned at adding football in the area.

Milwaukee
Cleveland State

Students at Marquette and Evansville wanted to have football even if it is in the Pioneer League as long as it brings school spirit.

There are some club teams in the area that could go varsity to join the league like Xavier, Wright State, Oakland, DePaul etc.

Please post the source on that, I bet you cant because they are not in the position to start football at all and no, and I mean NO Conference will touch them do to their bad Academics05-nono

He has no sources....... it's just his fantasy world.
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(05-23-2017 05:15 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Wiki says this (from a now dead Dekalb Historical Society link)

The Kishwaukee River has been exploited, negatively and positively, by humans for thousands of years. One of its more colorful interactions in the past occurred in the city of DeKalb and surrounds the story of Northern Illinois University locating in that city.

In 1893 a new Illinois governor took office, John P. Altgeld. Altgeld had run on a platform which included adding more teacher colleges to the state, specifically in northern Illinois. Altgeld, a Democrat, faced considerable opposition to his plan in the Republican controlled Illinois General Assembly. In order to spur the plan ahead Clinton Rosette, the publisher of the local DeKalb newspaper began to put pressure on Altgeld to fulfill his promises. Then, Isaac Ellwood tossed his hat into the foray. The barbed wire baron used his influence, as a Republican, to press the state legislature, soon a bill was drafted and introduced to build a state teacher's college somewhere in northern Illinois.

As could be imagined many communities were vying for the new college after the bill became law on May 22, 1895. Delegates from Rockford, Freeport, Oregon, Dixon, Fulton and Polo began lobbying the selection committee for the new college to come to their towns. Every one of the communities in the running for the new college was a river town. Rockford, Oregon and Polo each had the scenic Rock River as inticement for the new college. Fulton had the Mississippi River. But DeKalb had only the Kishwaukee River, practically a creek compared to the Rock and, of course, the Mississippi. In July 1895 the selection committee, which included Judge A.A. Goodrich of Chicago, visited each of the communities in the running.

Ellwood noticed how impressed the committee was with the Rock River so he arranged for DeKalb to be the last community visited. The selection committee decided to take a weekend to rest and visit DeKalb on a Monday. The city had a weekend to prepare. What happened next could be described as deceit, skulduggery, or pulling the wool over.

Julys in northern Illinois are often hot and dry and the Kishwaukee River is little more than a trickle at times, at the least its water levels are extremely low. DeKalb had a plan though. The residents of the city agreed to go without water for the weekend and two dams were quickly constructed on the Kishwaukee. Nearly every member of the community turned out to help dredge mud in key locations and replace it with gravel and pebbles.

The selection committee began their inspection tour on Monday morning. As the committee and Ellwood crossed the bridge over what became Lincoln Highway the dam was released giving the impression of a full, scenic river. Just as the committee crossed the bridge a lone fisherman in his boat near the bridge happened to catch a rather large fish in plain sight of the committee. Impressed, the committee also took note of a stringer of large fish attached to the boat. Ellwood completed the ruse, remarking, "The Kish has always provided us with a good supply of fish."

Of course, the other communities trying to attract what would become Northern Illinois University were not so impressed. A July 1895 editorial in the Oregon Republican complained, "Just where this fish came from is unknown, but it looked haggard and footsore, like it had tramped a long distance. There is some talk of stocking the Kish with salt-cured cod. They stand the pressure all right in either a wet or dry season." The committee paid it no mind and DeKalb was accepted as a finalist to be the host site for the new college. On July 15 each of the finalist communities made their pitch to Goodrich in Chicago.

If the river was not enough other prominent DeKalbians offered up their own incentives for the college to come to the small city of 5,000. Jacob Haish offered to donate $100,000 to the college library and Ellwood offered a $30,000 donation to build housing adjacent to the campus. Joseph Glidden, another of the barbed wire barons of DeKalb, offered to donate 70 acres (280,000 m2) of land for the college. The city of DeKalb offered sewer, water and road connections.

On Oct. 1, 1895 news reached DeKalb that it had been selected as the site for the new college. A celebration exploded with fireworks and factory horns blaring and flags waving from nearly every structure.[8]

That's an awesome story!
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In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.
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(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.
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(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff, or the club members directly fundraising or paying into it themselves).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?
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(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.
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(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.

Does their club team fly to California? Florida? New York? North Carolina?
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(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.
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(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.

Who cares what happened in 1973? Generally, schools provide little or no funding or facilities for club sports so the school's costs and needs to add a varsity sport are the same as not having a club team.
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RE: Chicago State To Add Football?!
(05-25-2017 05:58 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.

Who cares what happened in 1973? Generally, schools provide little or no funding or facilities for club sports so the school's costs and needs to add a varsity sport are the same as not having a club team.


Former club teams that upgraded to varsity teams.
Albany
Alderson Broaddus
Duquesne
Fordham
Gallaudet
Georgetown
Georgia State
Marist
U. of San Diego

Inactive
Brooklyn College
Fairfield
St. John's
Iona
St. Paul's (closed)
Seton Hall
Siena

Supposed to have started varsity team in 2015.
New Orleans

It can happen. It depends on who will be next. Oakland might go varsity since their first year was was great, that they brought home the trophy as champs in NCFA.
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RE: Chicago State To Add Football?!
(05-25-2017 06:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 05:58 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.

Who cares what happened in 1973? Generally, schools provide little or no funding or facilities for club sports so the school's costs and needs to add a varsity sport are the same as not having a club team.


Former club teams that upgraded to varsity teams.
Albany
Alderson Broaddus
Duquesne
Fordham
Gallaudet
Georgetown
Georgia State
Marist
U. of San Diego

Inactive
Brooklyn College
Fairfield
St. John's
Iona
St. Paul's (closed)
Seton Hall
Siena

Supposed to have started varsity team in 2015.
New Orleans

It can happen. It depends on who will be next. Oakland might go varsity since their first year was was great, that they brought home the trophy as champs in NCFA.

None of this means anything except in your fantasy world.
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RE: Chicago State To Add Football?!
(05-26-2017 12:22 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 06:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 05:58 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.

Who cares what happened in 1973? Generally, schools provide little or no funding or facilities for club sports so the school's costs and needs to add a varsity sport are the same as not having a club team.


Former club teams that upgraded to varsity teams.
Albany
Alderson Broaddus
Duquesne
Fordham
Gallaudet
Georgetown
Georgia State
Marist
U. of San Diego

Inactive
Brooklyn College
Fairfield
St. John's
Iona
St. Paul's (closed)
Seton Hall
Siena

Supposed to have started varsity team in 2015.
New Orleans

It can happen. It depends on who will be next. Oakland might go varsity since their first year was was great, that they brought home the trophy as champs in NCFA.

None of this means anything except in your fantasy world.
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RE: Chicago State To Add Football?!
(05-25-2017 04:58 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:53 AM)dxdtdemon Wrote:  In 2009 or 2010, Cleveland State did form an exploratory committee to consider eventually having an FCS football team, and decided that it wasn't for them and were just fine with having a club team. I guess that DavidSt just heard about the existence of the committee and not about their findings. I am really surprised that Wright State would even have a club football team. Given the university's history of significant research and discoveries of treatments for various physical disabilities, I just think it's strange that they would sponsor a sport that would cause a lot of disabilities, even if it's just a club team. And as other posters have posted, Wright State is in such a financial bind right now that I'm surprised that they didn't cut sports all together.


Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.

Does their club team fly to California? Florida? New York? North Carolina?

And who's picking up the tab if they do?

Even if you have a program that's comfortable playing in a venue that isn't their own, you can't ignore the operation costs.

Bringing this back to Chicago State, they can't pay their athletic staffers now. How do you take on more staff?!

How is this place still open in any form?
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RE: Chicago State To Add Football?!
(05-26-2017 04:41 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:58 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 04:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 03:29 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(05-25-2017 11:35 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Club team would still be the same as non-scholarship Pioneer League football. It would actually cost hardly anymore money. You do get more exposure for the schools than being a club team.

No, it really wouldn't, though. Club teams vary on funding sources, and those levels can range from some institutional commitments (like student activity fees) to donations or other funding sources (anything from a local school donating old equipment to some alumni buying the stuff).

Pioneer programs are funded in every respect by the school; there just aren't scholarships added to the structure. Clubs aren't staffed the same way, either. More like volunteers and stipends (if that).

The difference between moving up from one to the other is at least the high-end of the hundreds of thousands, but more likely low millions.

Oh, and where are they going to play?

Milwaukee played in Shorewood Stadium before they dropped football back in 1973. It is home of the Shorewood High School. The club team now uses it for their games. Other schools used to have football may still have their own stadium that they used for other sports like track, Soccer, field hockey, rugby, and so forth.

Does their club team fly to California? Florida? New York? North Carolina?

And who's picking up the tab if they do?

Even if you have a program that's comfortable playing in a venue that isn't their own, you can't ignore the operation costs.

Bringing this back to Chicago State, they can't pay their athletic staffers now. How do you take on more staff?!

How is this place still open in any form?


NCFA have these teams.

Clarkson in New York
Columbus State
Coppin State
Eastern Michigan
Eastern Connecticut State
Florida
Fort Lauderdale (varsity turned into club)
George Mason
Hartford
Lander University
Longwood
Loyola-Chicago
Miami, Ohio
Michigan State
Middle Georgia State
North Carolina
Oakland
Ohio State
Pittsburgh
Robert Morris-Peoria
Sacred Heart
Michigan-Flint
North Carolina-Greensboro
Vermont
Wright State
Metro State
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