Redskins and cowboys are in a league that is real sports, any team has a chance to win the super bowl no matter who they are
College football is stupid, p5 has a committee for heavens sake, who cares who beat who in a system that exists like it is now
Non p5 schools have a golden opportunity ( to grow like never before) to start their own REAL playoffs separate from the p5ers and p5ers think ( this idea goes back 20 years )we should and at this point in time I think we should too but timing is critical read below.
P5ers have all the money and network backing right now, but for how long would that last if there was a real college FBS playoff system going on TV right at the same time p5ers have their committee decide for them, they have a committee because they seek a balance of deserving teams to play each other in a selected playoff, is it really a true playoff?, more like an obsession of deserving perfection ?
I say a deserving team is a team that wins on the gridiron on any giving saterday regardless if their a blue blood or if their stadium is off campus and seats only 20,000 or so
If the p5ers want what they have then let them have it, I don't want any part of elitism or their committees...
Right now the game p5ers are playing is trying to get a higher FBS classification for themselves, 65 teams I think, this would help build a superior image for recruits, we non p5 schools have got to fight this any way we can, so having our own real playoff as a FBS same as p5ers and get it started before the new classification for p5ers would stop any meaningful significance in a higher reclassification for p5ers
If there is a better way to fight this please let me know

I don't hate you p5ers, just trying to fight back that's all...
Not all non p5ers now how to fight

Boise State can be considered a P5 out of the non-P5ers. They have the most top 25 teams since 2000. They have ranked in the top 10 several times, and was ranked 2nd in the polls a few times but wound up still ranked in the top 10 with 1 top 5. They are the only top school with a winning record since 2000 that have not been grabbed by a P5 conference. They were number 1 with TCU at number 2 and Utah at number three before the expansions hit. Cincinnati, USF and UConn. were still in a power conference during that time period. The issue with the AAC and MWC that is keeping them from being a Power conference are some schools with lousy attendance for football games. Dropping the dead weights in football attendance might help their image some.

San Jose State at Tulsa 18,748
North Carolina A&T at Tulsa 16,111
Navy at Tulane 21,503
SMU at Tulsa 20,089
Memphis at Tulane 21,098
Tulane at Tulsa 22,349
Temple at UConn. 22,316
East Carolina at Tulsa 17,557
Temple at Tulane 16,497
USF at SMU 18,417
Cincinnati at Tulsa 18,550
Navy at SMU 21,823
Tulane at UConn. 20,764
Bowl Game:
Tulsa at Central Michigan 15,262

MWC home attendance records.
Air Force Game 4 18,756
Colorado State game 1 20,673
Fresno State game 6 20,991
UNR game 1 19,138, game 2 20,457, game 4 18,877, 16,730, 13,390
New Mexico all six games below 21,000
San Jose State all six home games below 17,000
Utah State games 4 to 6 15,067, 17,332, 15,212
UNLV first 5 games below 19,000
Wyoming games 1, 2, 5, and 6 all below 20,000

Remove Tulsa, Tulane from the AAC and add Air Force, Colorado State, Boise State, San Diego State, Fresno State and Hawaii to the conference and here are others to consider for attendance wise.

Marshall
La. Tech
Old Dominion
Southern Mississippi
UTSA
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
Troy
Arkansas State
Ohio U.
Toledo
Western Michigan
Montana
James Madison
North Dakota State

The AAC tried for SDS, BSU, AF before, didn't it? Turned down.

Aresco is smart enough to know the P5 will never accept the AAC as a P6, he's pushing the narrative the "American" is a power conference to the CFB consuming public and media at large. If they perceive the "American"as such a "Power Conference" and tune in to watch, the narrative becomes self fulfilling. Revenue is tied directly to the amount of eyeballs to watch your product, the more eyeballs the more a carrier is willing to pay.

(05-19-2017 09:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Aresco is smart enough to know the P5 will never accept the AAC as a P6, he's pushing the narrative the "American" is a power conference to the CFB consuming public and media at large. If they perceive the "American"as such a "Power Conference" and tune in to watch, the narrative becomes self fulfilling. Revenue is tied directly to the amount of eyeballs to watch your product, the more eyeballs the more a carrier is willing to pay.

Exactly. Its about public perception. Its about differentiating the AAC from the rest of the G5----but ultimately, its really about the next TV deal. Basically, he's marketing the AAC as the "BYU" of FBS conferences. Interestingly, if he accomplishes that in terms of both perception AND revenue---he might even finally get BYU.

(05-19-2017 09:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Aresco is smart enough to know the P5 will never accept the AAC as a P6, he's pushing the narrative the "American" is a power conference to the CFB consuming public and media at large. If they perceive the "American"as such a "Power Conference" and tune in to watch, the narrative becomes self fulfilling. Revenue is tied directly to the amount of eyeballs to watch your product, the more eyeballs the more a carrier is willing to pay.

The problem is that some of the schools in the AAC do not get the viewers or eyeballs to be a P6. MWC have a most better viewership than AAC schools because even though San Jose State gets a very small home attendance, they still draw eyeballs because they are in the San Francisco tv market.
Wyoming, New Mexico, Boise State, UNR, Fresno State, Hawaii and Utah State have made a name of themselves by beating P5 schools often. Sadly, Temple is new to the game in upsetting P5. It may take them a few more upsets before they can catch up. UConn. also have a terrible fan support in football for attendance and in eyeballs on tv.

(05-19-2017 11:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 09:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Aresco is smart enough to know the P5 will never accept the AAC as a P6, he's pushing the narrative the "American" is a power conference to the CFB consuming public and media at large. If they perceive the "American"as such a "Power Conference" and tune in to watch, the narrative becomes self fulfilling. Revenue is tied directly to the amount of eyeballs to watch your product, the more eyeballs the more a carrier is willing to pay.

The problem is that some of the schools in the AAC do not get the viewers or eyeballs to be a P6. MWC have a most better viewership than AAC schools because even though San Jose State gets a very small home attendance, they still draw eyeballs because they are in the San Francisco tv market.
Wyoming, New Mexico, Boise State, UNR, Fresno State, Hawaii and Utah State have made a name of themselves by beating P5 schools often. Sadly, Temple is new to the game in upsetting P5. It may take them a few more upsets before they can catch up. UConn. also have a terrible fan support in football for attendance and in eyeballs on tv.

David.....oh Lord. The MW viewership is better because of San Jose St? Uuuhmmm, no. That would be incorrect....lol..the AAC blows away the MW viewership numbers....and I doubt San Jose is a major factor in skewing college football viewership tendencies...That said, youre right when you say the AAC viewership numbers are not at the P5 level. They are however, within shouting distance---and represent an incredible bargain on a cost per viewer basis.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...ngs/#week7

Yeah ! David everybody knows that, gosh lee...

(05-19-2017 12:11 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 11:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 09:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Aresco is smart enough to know the P5 will never accept the AAC as a P6, he's pushing the narrative the "American" is a power conference to the CFB consuming public and media at large. If they perceive the "American"as such a "Power Conference" and tune in to watch, the narrative becomes self fulfilling. Revenue is tied directly to the amount of eyeballs to watch your product, the more eyeballs the more a carrier is willing to pay.

The problem is that some of the schools in the AAC do not get the viewers or eyeballs to be a P6. MWC have a most better viewership than AAC schools because even though San Jose State gets a very small home attendance, they still draw eyeballs because they are in the San Francisco tv market.
Wyoming, New Mexico, Boise State, UNR, Fresno State, Hawaii and Utah State have made a name of themselves by beating P5 schools often. Sadly, Temple is new to the game in upsetting P5. It may take them a few more upsets before they can catch up. UConn. also have a terrible fan support in football for attendance and in eyeballs on tv.

David.....oh Lord. The MW viewership is better because of San Jose St? Uuuhmmm, no. That would be incorrect....lol..the AAC blows away the MW viewership numbers....and I doubt San Jose is a major factor in skewing college football viewership tendencies...That said, youre right when you say the AAC viewership numbers are not at the P5 level. They are however, within shouting distance---and represent an incredible bargain on a cost per viewer basis.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...ngs/#week7

What I mean is when those MWC schools that were on ESPN 2 usually get in the millions. San Jose State was up there in viewership on ESPN 2. The problem is went from being on a larger network to a smaller network of CBS Sports have cut a lot of viewers down that the former WAC members used to have. Even MWC schools that used to be on ESPN networks also got that many. AAC schools like Tulsa, Tulane and a couple of others tend to be lower than MWC viewers. You have to look at these schools between 2000 to 2013. WAC and MWC schools had more. Temple was not on tv much during those time period since they were losers. UConn, Cincinnati and USF viewership have dropped when they lost their former conference mates that left for ACC, Big 10 and Big 12.

(05-18-2017 11:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Redskins and cowboys are in a league that is real sports, any team has a chance to win the super bowl no matter who they are
College football is stupid, p5 has a committee for heavens sake, who cares who beat who in a system that exists like it is now
Non p5 schools have a golden opportunity ( to grow like never before) to start their own REAL playoffs separate from the p5ers and p5ers think ( this idea goes back 20 years )we should and at this point in time I think we should too but timing is critical read below.

I think the notion of a G5 playoff is a non-starter. It would be tantamount to declaring ourselves as Division 2A programs or somesuch, it would be the end of the Big Time football program dream.

(05-19-2017 09:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Aresco is smart enough to know the P5 will never accept the AAC as a P6, he's pushing the narrative the "American" is a power conference to the CFB consuming public and media at large. If they perceive the "American"as such a "Power Conference" and tune in to watch, the narrative becomes self fulfilling. Revenue is tied directly to the amount of eyeballs to watch your product, the more eyeballs the more a carrier is willing to pay.

Aresco fooled you Coogs: The audience for the P6 nonsense wasn't the public and media, it was YOU, US, the member AAC schools, so we would give him a contract extension so he would continue to get vastly overpaid, paid almost like a real P5 commissioner (his $1.6m deal is not that far from the ACC commissioner, who makes $2.0m a year).

That's the only good contract he's ever signed, and he wanted to make sure the gravy kept rolling. Mission Accomplished.

(05-19-2017 02:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Redskins and cowboys are in a league that is real sports, any team has a chance to win the super bowl no matter who they are
College football is stupid, p5 has a committee for heavens sake, who cares who beat who in a system that exists like it is now
Non p5 schools have a golden opportunity ( to grow like never before) to start their own REAL playoffs separate from the p5ers and p5ers think ( this idea goes back 20 years )we should and at this point in time I think we should too but timing is critical read below.

I think the notion of a G5 playoff is a non-starter. It would be tantamount to declaring ourselves as Division 2A programs or somesuch, it would be the end of the Big Time football program dream.

Exactly. Its a terrible idea. If the G5 wants to work within the current bowl system to create some high payout games for the G5 champs---that might make sense.

(05-19-2017 02:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 09:42 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  Aresco is smart enough to know the P5 will never accept the AAC as a P6, he's pushing the narrative the "American" is a power conference to the CFB consuming public and media at large. If they perceive the "American"as such a "Power Conference" and tune in to watch, the narrative becomes self fulfilling. Revenue is tied directly to the amount of eyeballs to watch your product, the more eyeballs the more a carrier is willing to pay.

Aresco fooled you Coogs: The audience for the P6 nonsense wasn't the public and media, it was YOU, US, the member AAC schools, so we would give him a contract extension so he would continue to get vastly overpaid, paid almost like a real P5 commissioner (his $1.6m deal is not that far from the ACC commissioner, who makes $2.0m a year).

That's the only good contract he's ever signed, and he wanted to make sure the gravy kept rolling. Mission Accomplished.

Even if your right, the audience wasn't us. It was 14 presidents. Pretty cynical view. The reality is the current P6 talk is simply a more polished version of what he's been saying since day 1 on the job.

(05-19-2017 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 02:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Redskins and cowboys are in a league that is real sports, any team has a chance to win the super bowl no matter who they are
College football is stupid, p5 has a committee for heavens sake, who cares who beat who in a system that exists like it is now
Non p5 schools have a golden opportunity ( to grow like never before) to start their own REAL playoffs separate from the p5ers and p5ers think ( this idea goes back 20 years )we should and at this point in time I think we should too but timing is critical read below.

I think the notion of a G5 playoff is a non-starter. It would be tantamount to declaring ourselves as Division 2A programs or somesuch, it would be the end of the Big Time football program dream.

Exactly. Its a terrible idea. If the G5 wants to work within the current bowl system to create some high payout games for the G5 champs---that might make sense.

That would be ideal.

Holiday (MWC)
Sun (CUSA)
Liberty (SBC)
Gator (AAC)

With the MAC Champ as a floater if they can't get into a CFP bowl.

OR

Holiday (MWC)-MAC backup
Gator (AAC)-MAC backup

In this case ESPN decides to set something up for its 3 bigger properties (AAC, MWC, MAC) where in the event the MWC or AAC champ ends up in a CFP bowl the MAC champ can be the backup in the Holiday or Gator.

(05-19-2017 09:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 02:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Redskins and cowboys are in a league that is real sports, any team has a chance to win the super bowl no matter who they are
College football is stupid, p5 has a committee for heavens sake, who cares who beat who in a system that exists like it is now
Non p5 schools have a golden opportunity ( to grow like never before) to start their own REAL playoffs separate from the p5ers and p5ers think ( this idea goes back 20 years )we should and at this point in time I think we should too but timing is critical read below.

I think the notion of a G5 playoff is a non-starter. It would be tantamount to declaring ourselves as Division 2A programs or somesuch, it would be the end of the Big Time football program dream.

Exactly. Its a terrible idea. If the G5 wants to work within the current bowl system to create some high payout games for the G5 champs---that might make sense.

That would be ideal.

Holiday (MWC)
Sun (CUSA)
Liberty (SBC)
Gator (AAC)

With the MAC Champ as a floater if they can't get into a CFP bowl.

OR

Holiday (MWC)-MAC backup
Gator (AAC)-MAC backup

In this case ESPN decides to set something up for its 3 bigger properties (AAC, MWC, MAC) where in the event the MWC or AAC champ ends up in a CFP bowl the MAC champ can be the backup in the Holiday or Gator.

You'd need 4 pretty high selections from the P5 to sign on to make that work. Ideally, putting the 4 non-NYD G5 champs in a pool with the some P5 bowls would be nice---but I don't know if that has much chance. I suspect best option to MAYBE get P5 cooperation is a 3 game "Champions Series" for the G5 champs.

#1 G5 champ--NYD
#2 G5 champ vs P5 #3-5 (could rotate through P5 conferences)
#3 G5 champ vs P5 #3-5 (could rotate through P5 conferences)
#4 G5 champ vs #5 G champ

That means you need just 2 higher end selections from the P5 to create a pretty decent post season destination for all 5 G5 champs. Of course, even that level of cooperation is a long shot.

(05-19-2017 10:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 09:53 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 02:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 02:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Redskins and cowboys are in a league that is real sports, any team has a chance to win the super bowl no matter who they are
College football is stupid, p5 has a committee for heavens sake, who cares who beat who in a system that exists like it is now
Non p5 schools have a golden opportunity ( to grow like never before) to start their own REAL playoffs separate from the p5ers and p5ers think ( this idea goes back 20 years )we should and at this point in time I think we should too but timing is critical read below.

I think the notion of a G5 playoff is a non-starter. It would be tantamount to declaring ourselves as Division 2A programs or somesuch, it would be the end of the Big Time football program dream.

Exactly. Its a terrible idea. If the G5 wants to work within the current bowl system to create some high payout games for the G5 champs---that might make sense.

That would be ideal.

Holiday (MWC)
Sun (CUSA)
Liberty (SBC)
Gator (AAC)

With the MAC Champ as a floater if they can't get into a CFP bowl.

OR

Holiday (MWC)-MAC backup
Gator (AAC)-MAC backup

In this case ESPN decides to set something up for its 3 bigger properties (AAC, MWC, MAC) where in the event the MWC or AAC champ ends up in a CFP bowl the MAC champ can be the backup in the Holiday or Gator.

You'd need some P5's to sign on to make it work. Ideally, putting the 4 non-NYD G5 champs in a pool with the some P5 bowls works best---but I don't know if that has much chance. I suspect best case is 3 games.

#1 G5 champ--NYD
#2 G5 champ vs P5 #3-5
#3 G5 champ vs P5 #3-5
#4 G5 champ vs #5 G champ

That means you need just 2 higher end selections from the P5 to create a pretty decent post season destination for all 5 G5 champs.

With what the P5 conferences been going, they choose which teams are P5 out of G5.

The three military schools are P5.
BYU is P5.
UConn, Cincinnati, USF, UCF and Houston are P5.
Boise State, San Diego State P5.
I think the PAC 12 would call Eastern Washington, Weber State, Northern Arizona, Montana and Montana State are P5.
Jacksonville State, North Dakota State, James Madison, Youngstown State, Northern Iowa and South Dakota could be considered P5.
I might think with UTSA played against Arizona? They could be considered P5.

The P5 would not want a whole conferences to be part of the P5 group. They might pay more money to schools and call them P5 for the SOS. That means that some FCS schools might get paid a little more than the other FCS schools because they made a name for themselves.

PAC-12 considering Weber State a P5 for scheduling?

Wow David.....just wow...

(05-19-2017 11:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  PAC-12 considering Weber State a P5 for scheduling?

Wow David.....just wow...

The Arizona schools would loved it. One year, one of the Arizona schools went 6-6, and they had to play Northern Arizona and Weber State the same year with that school beating both of them. NCAA did not give them a waiver to go to a bowl game because they did not have a win against 5 FBS schools. I do think the PAC 12 schools do want some of the Big Sky schools to move up for easy wins against them to count as FBS wins.

(05-19-2017 02:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 11:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Redskins and cowboys are in a league that is real sports, any team has a chance to win the super bowl no matter who they are
College football is stupid, p5 has a committee for heavens sake, who cares who beat who in a system that exists like it is now
Non p5 schools have a golden opportunity ( to grow like never before) to start their own REAL playoffs separate from the p5ers and p5ers think ( this idea goes back 20 years )we should and at this point in time I think we should too but timing is critical read below.

I think the notion of a G5 playoff is a non-starter. It would be tantamount to declaring ourselves as Division 2A programs or somesuch, it would be the end of the Big Time football program dream.

I am for a G4 playoff, and AAC gets the access bowl game each year.