Oakland beat writer a week back said he heard it's Robert Morris.

(05-18-2017 07:10 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  NoDak, why would the OVC take two? The only school it is losing would be Murray State.

I'm not sure that the Altantic Sun would need to add anyone to replace Lipscomb, unless if NJIT flies the coop as well; if Lipscomb leaves the Atlantic Sun will have 8 members, 7 of whom are active members of Division I. If Robert Morris stays put then there isn't anywhere for NJIT to go. I'm not sure they would want another Northern school in IUPUI or WIU. The other possible out for the Atlantic Sun is that Chicago State survives as a Division I program, but is not renewed by the WAC. Chicago State and NJIT are at least close to multiple major airports.

As discussed elsewhere, the Summit is in a serious bind if it loses all of its members east of the Mississippi River, and would likely need to become a FCS conference to ensure its survival.

The OVC is aware that Jacksonville State might fly to coop. Losing Murray St is almost inevitable. The OVC can and should be proactive.

The A Sun needs to add more members anyway as seven full members is suicidal. W Ill and IUPUI could get multiple offers from the OVC and A Sun. W Ill would rather stay in the MVFC anyway and south gives them better recruiting grounds and more desirable destinations for their alumni.

(05-18-2017 07:11 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oakland beat writer a week back said he heard it's Robert Morris.

RMU would be a good pick, but how does the Horizon manage travel partners and baseball? Some other school close to Pittsburgh needs to join at the same time. It does not satisfy the Horizon's needs as a single addition.

Fort Wayne provides a travel partner for UIC, gets the Horizon back in Indiana and strengthens the Horizon's baseball offerings. If IUPUI would need to add baseball, theN arguably it has other factors in its favor (namely academics).

Jacksonville State has wanted to move to FBS since Troy reclassified. Unless if they can pull a Liberty, they aren't going anywhere. If they do somehow move to FBS as an independent, then the OVC will probably send them packing, and the Atlantic Sun is really the only place that makes sense for them.

Besides, if the OVC lost two, why not stay at ten members?

(05-18-2017 08:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Jacksonville State has wanted to move to FBS since Troy reclassified. Unless if they can pull a Liberty, they aren't going anywhere. If they do somehow move to FBS as an independent, then the OVC will probably send them packing, and the Atlantic Sun is really the only place that makes sense for them.

Besides, if the OVC lost two, why not stay at ten members?

Would presume that Jacksonville St's leadership is actively considering an FBS move as an independent. With Liberty, NMSU, UMASS already there, independent becomes more possible. Keeping up with Troy seems to be J State's longterm objective. They dont have a nice stadium expansion for FCS. Alabama is more an island for the OVC than either Illinois or Indiana now anyway.

But why wouldn't the A Sun or OVC want the media power in Indianapolis following their leagues. It's not Chicago, granted, but it has more power than Florence, Alabama. Twelve is ideal for both leagues to protect against poaching and to have more in conference games. A two bid league isn't even feasible thinking.

(05-18-2017 08:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Jacksonville State has wanted to move to FBS since Troy reclassified. Unless if they can pull a Liberty, they aren't going anywhere. If they do somehow move to FBS as an independent, then the OVC will probably send them packing, and the Atlantic Sun is really the only place that makes sense for them.

Besides, if the OVC lost two, why not stay at ten members?

Maybe Liberty, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, James Madison, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Lamar, Youngstown State, Kennesaw State and UMASS (football only) could lobby the NCAA for a 6th (G6) Conference.

(05-18-2017 10:36 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Jacksonville State has wanted to move to FBS since Troy reclassified. Unless if they can pull a Liberty, they aren't going anywhere. If they do somehow move to FBS as an independent, then the OVC will probably send them packing, and the Atlantic Sun is really the only place that makes sense for them.

Besides, if the OVC lost two, why not stay at ten members?

Maybe Liberty, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, James Madison, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Lamar, Youngstown State, Kennesaw State and UMASS (football only) could lobby the NCAA for a 6th (G6) Conference.

Don't forget West Texas A&M, Arkansas Tech, and Mesa State.

(05-18-2017 10:48 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 10:36 PM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Jacksonville State has wanted to move to FBS since Troy reclassified. Unless if they can pull a Liberty, they aren't going anywhere. If they do somehow move to FBS as an independent, then the OVC will probably send them packing, and the Atlantic Sun is really the only place that makes sense for them.

Besides, if the OVC lost two, why not stay at ten members?

Maybe Liberty, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State, James Madison, Chattanooga, East Tennessee State, Lamar, Youngstown State, Kennesaw State and UMASS (football only) could lobby the NCAA for a 6th (G6) Conference.

Don't forget West Texas A&M, Arkansas Tech, and Mesa State.

Yes...I forgot...and NDSU, too!

(05-18-2017 06:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Time is running out for expansion for next year.

An intriguing addition mentioned on the Horizon board is a combo of Fort Wayne, Lipscomb and S Indiana to go to 12. Lipscomb hasnt been mentioned, but it's not a very strong program but plugs the Horizon into Nashville. RMU is a problem as it messes up the travel partners. Lipscomb and S Indiana would make a good travel pair.
Those three all offer baseball, so that helps the Horizon substantially with that sport. Previously didn't believe the Horizon would take a DII, but if it school helped it to get into Nashville, harmed the MVC by competing in Evansville, and helped with baseball, that could be a winning combo.

Would have to think the OVC would respond with IUPUI and W Ill to replace a possible future loss of Murray St. The ASUN could be in trouble as well the The Summit League, but already posted what the Dakotas want there.

My sister went to Lipscomb. They view themselves as thoroughly Southern and want nothing to do with a purely Midwestern league; they want into the OVC with Belmont, because that rivalry is literally the only thing that will galvanize their support base. (There are no Lipscomb "fans" as such.)

The school doesn't deliver Nashville in any tangible way and is in a ritzy suburb that's tough to get to and navigate. Its facilities are rather spartan (not bad, just bland). It's not a program that moves the meter the way Belmont can with basketball, and it's not worthwhile for the Horizon League.

(05-18-2017 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 07:11 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oakland beat writer a week back said he heard it's Robert Morris.

RMU would be a good pick, but how does the Horizon manage travel partners and baseball? Some other school close to Pittsburgh needs to join at the same time. It does not satisfy the Horizon's needs as a single addition.

Fort Wayne provides a travel partner for UIC, gets the Horizon back in Indiana and strengthens the Horizon's baseball offerings. If IUPUI would need to add baseball, theN arguably it has other factors in its favor (namely academics).

The HL already have a school close to Pittsburg, Youngstown State. RMU would get them back to 10 and allow time for them to evaluate needs. The MVC are NOT going to add schools next year,

Baseball, minus Valpo still has the numbers and the HL have time if they deem it to be an issue. The MVC is not going to expand again anytime soon unless someone else leaves. Even Elgin admitted they will not be expanding next year.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/mvc-ex...-part-one/

IUPUI is not going to add baseball. Western is not leaving the Summit/MVFC for the A Sun. IUPUI and IPFW are not going to the A Sun. Jacksonville is not going FBS without a league. Murray are not leaving the OVC, they really want the MVC, as seen by their very public begging. They will make nice and wait it out, hoping the MVC calls again. NMSU and GCU are not going to the HL. Neither is Omaha.

I know you really want your dreams to come true but there is not some magic bullet of re-alignment that will get you there.

(05-19-2017 08:23 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 06:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Time is running out for expansion for next year.

An intriguing addition mentioned on the Horizon board is a combo of Fort Wayne, Lipscomb and S Indiana to go to 12. Lipscomb hasnt been mentioned, but it's not a very strong program but plugs the Horizon into Nashville. RMU is a problem as it messes up the travel partners. Lipscomb and S Indiana would make a good travel pair.
Those three all offer baseball, so that helps the Horizon substantially with that sport. Previously didn't believe the Horizon would take a DII, but if it school helped it to get into Nashville, harmed the MVC by competing in Evansville, and helped with baseball, that could be a winning combo.

Would have to think the OVC would respond with IUPUI and W Ill to replace a possible future loss of Murray St. The ASUN could be in trouble as well the The Summit League, but already posted what the Dakotas want there.

My sister went to Lipscomb. They view themselves as thoroughly Southern and want nothing to do with a purely Midwestern league; they want into the OVC with Belmont, because that rivalry is literally the only thing that will galvanize their support base. (There are no Lipscomb "fans" as such.)

The school doesn't deliver Nashville in any tangible way and is in a ritzy suburb that's tough to get to and navigate. Its facilities are rather spartan (not bad, just bland). It's not a program that moves the meter the way Belmont can with basketball, and it's not worthwhile for the Horizon League.

Lipscomb is a Church of Christ school, which is not merely limited to the South. Granted, the OVC would be preferable, that won't happen until Belmont leaves. The Horizon would still be a bus league, but the A Sun certainly isnt.

(05-19-2017 09:15 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 07:11 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oakland beat writer a week back said he heard it's Robert Morris.

RMU would be a good pick, but how does the Horizon manage travel partners and baseball? Some other school close to Pittsburgh needs to join at the same time. It does not satisfy the Horizon's needs as a single addition.

Fort Wayne provides a travel partner for UIC, gets the Horizon back in Indiana and strengthens the Horizon's baseball offerings. If IUPUI would need to add baseball, theN arguably it has other factors in its favor (namely academics).

The HL already have a school close to Pittsburg, Youngstown State. RMU would get them back to 10 and allow time for them to evaluate needs. The MVC are NOT going to add schools next year,

Baseball, minus Valpo still has the numbers and the HL have time if they deem it to be an issue. The MVC is not going to expand again anytime soon unless someone else leaves. Even Elgin admitted they will not be expanding next year.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/mvc-ex...-part-one/

IUPUI is not going to add baseball. Western is not leaving the Summit/MVFC for the A Sun. IUPUI and IPFW are not going to the A Sun. Jacksonville is not going FBS without a league. Murray are not leaving the OVC, they really want the MVC, as seen by their very public begging. They will make nice and wait it out, hoping the MVC calls again. NMSU and GCU are not going to the HL. Neither is Omaha.

I know you really want your dreams to come true but there is not some magic bullet of re-alignment that will get you there.

Cleveland St and Youngstown St are close. So your suggesting that one of those three suddenly would be a travel partner with UIC, almost three states away. Possible but not ideal. Kind off creates a bad situation.

Your belief that the Summit League is desirable for any school east of the Mississippi is comical. Those schools desperately want in a league like the Horizon just for reduced travel. The A Sun wouldn't let them see travel reductions but would have cost and benefit improvements.

The Mo St President said the MVC is expanding, wants a team "near' it, and chairs the expansion committtee. Elgin doesn't want to create instability with other leagues, so he denies that adding more teams in on their menu, which commissioners so often do.

Never took NMSU and GCU to the Horizon as serious. Some Horizon fans do .

Mods, we are way off topic. Time to close it.

It has degenerated into another "wild fantasy scheme to move the Dakota schools into FBS" thread

(05-19-2017 10:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 09:15 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 07:11 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oakland beat writer a week back said he heard it's Robert Morris.

RMU would be a good pick, but how does the Horizon manage travel partners and baseball? Some other school close to Pittsburgh needs to join at the same time. It does not satisfy the Horizon's needs as a single addition.

Fort Wayne provides a travel partner for UIC, gets the Horizon back in Indiana and strengthens the Horizon's baseball offerings. If IUPUI would need to add baseball, theN arguably it has other factors in its favor (namely academics).

The HL already have a school close to Pittsburg, Youngstown State. RMU would get them back to 10 and allow time for them to evaluate needs. The MVC are NOT going to add schools next year,

Baseball, minus Valpo still has the numbers and the HL have time if they deem it to be an issue. The MVC is not going to expand again anytime soon unless someone else leaves. Even Elgin admitted they will not be expanding next year.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/mvc-ex...-part-one/

IUPUI is not going to add baseball. Western is not leaving the Summit/MVFC for the A Sun. IUPUI and IPFW are not going to the A Sun. Jacksonville is not going FBS without a league. Murray are not leaving the OVC, they really want the MVC, as seen by their very public begging. They will make nice and wait it out, hoping the MVC calls again. NMSU and GCU are not going to the HL. Neither is Omaha.

I know you really want your dreams to come true but there is not some magic bullet of re-alignment that will get you there.

Cleveland St and Youngstown St are close. So your suggesting that one of those three suddenly would be a travel partner with UIC, almost three states away. Possible but not ideal. Kind off creates a bad situation.

Your belief that the Summit League is desirable for any school east of the Mississippi is comical. Those schools desperately want in a league like the Horizon just for reduced travel. The A Sun wouldn't let them see travel reductions but would have cost and benefit improvements.

The Mo St President said the MVC is expanding, wants a team "near' it, and chairs the expansion committtee. Elgin doesn't want to create instability with other leagues, so he denies that adding more teams in on their menu, which commissioners so often do.

Never took NMSU and GCU to the Horizon as serious. Some Horizon fans do .

It really isn't that hard for the HL to figure out travel partners for non-Men's BB by adding RMU. UIC can be hooked up with NKU and it would be the longest distance at 4 hours. Adding IPFW or IUPUI would be better but the HL have proven in the past they don't have a lot of interest in those two schools. If that has changed then I would expect RMU, IUPUI and IPFW to be added.

RMU-YSU
CSU-WSU
NKU-UIC
Det-Oak
UWM-GB

Never said the Summit was the best fit for any of those schools. IPFW and IUPUI would love to get an invite to the HL and if they do, more power to them. It is where they fit best. They are not going to the A Sun.

Western is not an the Horizon League radar and they never will be. The A Sun is not an option, the OVC is but unless someone leaves there is no room for WIU. There could be in the future and if it happens, good for WIU. They would see it as a big step down, which it is. But funding issues in Illinois may push them to actually go if offered this time.

I will bet you anything that the MVC will not be adding anyone in 2017-18. The MSU President is one person. Even if he has the support of three or four other schools he would not have the votes. The MVC will not be adding next year. In fact, unless SLU or Belmont suddenly become available I don't see the MVC adding anyone unless a departure occurs. They are a re-active bus league and have been since Missouri Valley FB died. Oh, and once again we are reading between the lines in what a Commissioner has to say. Its Fullerton and the Big Sky all over again.

You think that by wishing you can kill the Summit. It's your dream because you think that automatically Idaho, UM and MSU are going to jump up and make a huge move to join up with the South and North Dakota schools. Dreaming is fine, you did it with the WAC FBS for years. But that isn't how the real world works. If the type of league you want happens it is a long way off and something really big would need to drive the change.

(05-19-2017 11:45 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Mods, we are way off topic. Time to close it.

It has degenerated into another "wild fantasy scheme to move the Dakota schools into FBS" thread

Your posts are always hilarious as you don't have a clue about the Dakotas. The Big Sky was so desperate to get rid of UND that they gave us until 2020 to exit.

(05-19-2017 12:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 10:36 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 09:15 AM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 08:14 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-18-2017 07:11 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oakland beat writer a week back said he heard it's Robert Morris.

RMU would be a good pick, but how does the Horizon manage travel partners and baseball? Some other school close to Pittsburgh needs to join at the same time. It does not satisfy the Horizon's needs as a single addition.

Fort Wayne provides a travel partner for UIC, gets the Horizon back in Indiana and strengthens the Horizon's baseball offerings. If IUPUI would need to add baseball, theN arguably it has other factors in its favor (namely academics).

The HL already have a school close to Pittsburg, Youngstown State. RMU would get them back to 10 and allow time for them to evaluate needs. The MVC are NOT going to add schools next year,

Baseball, minus Valpo still has the numbers and the HL have time if they deem it to be an issue. The MVC is not going to expand again anytime soon unless someone else leaves. Even Elgin admitted they will not be expanding next year.

http://www.valleyhoopsinsider.com/mvc-ex...-part-one/

IUPUI is not going to add baseball. Western is not leaving the Summit/MVFC for the A Sun. IUPUI and IPFW are not going to the A Sun. Jacksonville is not going FBS without a league. Murray are not leaving the OVC, they really want the MVC, as seen by their very public begging. They will make nice and wait it out, hoping the MVC calls again. NMSU and GCU are not going to the HL. Neither is Omaha.

I know you really want your dreams to come true but there is not some magic bullet of re-alignment that will get you there.

Cleveland St and Youngstown St are close. So your suggesting that one of those three suddenly would be a travel partner with UIC, almost three states away. Possible but not ideal. Kind off creates a bad situation.

Your belief that the Summit League is desirable for any school east of the Mississippi is comical. Those schools desperately want in a league like the Horizon just for reduced travel. The A Sun wouldn't let them see travel reductions but would have cost and benefit improvements.

The Mo St President said the MVC is expanding, wants a team "near' it, and chairs the expansion committtee. Elgin doesn't want to create instability with other leagues, so he denies that adding more teams in on their menu, which commissioners so often do.

Never took NMSU and GCU to the Horizon as serious. Some Horizon fans do .

It really isn't that hard for the HL to figure out travel partners for non-Men's BB by adding RMU. UIC can be hooked up with NKU and it would be the longest distance at 4 hours. Adding IPFW or IUPUI would be better but the HL have proven in the past they don't have a lot of interest in those two schools. If that has changed then I would expect RMU, IUPUI and IPFW to be added.

RMU-YSU
CSU-WSU
NKU-UIC
Det-Oak
UWM-GB

Never said the Summit was the best fit for any of those schools. IPFW and IUPUI would love to get an invite to the HL and if they do, more power to them. It is where they fit best. They are not going to the A Sun.

Western is not an the Horizon League radar and they never will be. The A Sun is not an option, the OVC is but unless someone leaves there is no room for WIU. There could be in the future and if it happens, good for WIU. They would see it as a big step down, which it is. But funding issues in Illinois may push them to actually go if offered this time.

I will bet you anything that the MVC will not be adding anyone in 2017-18. The MSU President is one person. Even if he has the support of three or four other schools he would not have the votes. The MVC will not be adding next year. In fact, unless SLU or Belmont suddenly become available I don't see the MVC adding anyone unless a departure occurs. They are a re-active bus league and have been since Missouri Valley FB died. Oh, and once again we are reading between the lines in what a Commissioner has to say. Its Fullerton and the Big Sky all over again.

You think that by wishing you can kill the Summit. It's your dream because you think that automatically Idaho, UM and MSU are going to jump up and make a huge move to join up with the South and North Dakota schools. Dreaming is fine, you did it with the WAC FBS for years. But that isn't how the real world works. If the type of league you want happens it is a long way off and something really big would need to drive the change.

Mo St President is leading the expansion committee so he has insight and power. It's a fools game to say the MVC won't expand further soon.

All it takes for TSL to need to expand further is to lose the schools east of the MS. That is drastic for TSL but you are in denial again. Seven flagships in one conference is what Presidents dream of. They are working towards it and what I or you want have no bearing on that.

Fully understand that the XDSU's had ambition for MVC membership, but its time to cut the delusions.

(05-19-2017 01:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 11:45 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Mods, we are way off topic. Time to close it.

It has degenerated into another "wild fantasy scheme to move the Dakota schools into FBS" thread

Your posts are always hilarious as you don't have a clue about the Dakotas. The Big Sky was so desperate to get rid of UND that they gave us until 2020 to exit.

Just like when you post on subjects that you are clueless about, like Lipscomb.


And if it is posted a 1,000 times, maybe it will sink in. North Dakota is not leaving for football until after 2019 because conference schedules are already set for 2017, 2018 and 2019 - in other words, UND had COMMITTED to those games, as scheduled. The MVFC as well would have had problems working UND into the schedule for 2017/18. It has nothing to do with wanting/not wanting a school, but the sheer logistics of changing schedules that are locked years in advance.


But thanks for looking foolish, again. It is a breath of comedy.


Now go back to your NAC dreams, since your WAC-ing off came up empty handed.

(05-19-2017 01:37 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 01:30 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 11:45 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Mods, we are way off topic. Time to close it.

It has degenerated into another "wild fantasy scheme to move the Dakota schools into FBS" thread

Your posts are always hilarious as you don't have a clue about the Dakotas. The Big Sky was so desperate to get rid of UND that they gave us until 2020 to exit.

Just like when you post on subjects that you are clueless about, like Lipscomb.


And if it is posted a 1,000 times, maybe it will sink in. North Dakota is not leaving for football until after 2019 because conference schedules are already set for 2017, 2018 and 2019 - in other words, UND had COMMITTED to those games, as scheduled. The MVFC as well would have had problems working UND into the schedule for 2017/18. It has nothing to do with wanting/not wanting a school, but the sheer logistics of changing schedules that are locked years in advance.


But thanks for looking foolish, again. It is a breath of comedy.


Now go back to your NAC dreams, since your WAC-ing off came up empty handed.

Nice to know that Stugray2' has one friend.

Since Wright State's new administration changed its mind about which sports to cut, and will now be cutting men's and women's swimming instead of men's golf and what had been an undetermined women's sport, there will now only be five Horizon League schools with men's swimming since Valparaiso's swimming team would also be gone. Are there nearby affiliate members, or do you think the Horizon League will add someone to get back to six for men's swimming?

(05-19-2017 12:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  It really isn't that hard for the HL to figure out travel partners for non-Men's BB by adding RMU. UIC can be hooked up with NKU and it would be the longest distance at 4 hours. Adding IPFW or IUPUI would be better but the HL have proven in the past they don't have a lot of interest in those two schools. If that has changed then I would expect RMU, IUPUI and IPFW to be added.

RMU-YSU
CSU-WSU
NKU-UIC
Det-Oak
UWM-GB

NKU was brought in to be Wright State's travel partner. They are only about an hour away from each other. It makes zero sense for them to be partners with UIC and for Wright State to flip to Cleveland State.