(05-01-2017 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools come and gone. I like to see Langston back into the SWAC again which they were the co-founders of. The founders of SWAC are all in the NAIA right now. None of the schools there now are not.

I do see some potentials for Oklahoma City U. rejoin the D1 ranks. They did not do bad at D1. The payouts for men's basketball in the tournaments are much more now than it was back in the 1970s and 80s when OKCU were D1. They might have been a potential MVC target today if they have stayed. I do see them as a better GAC member than Southern Nazarene or a NW Oklahoma State.

But with the NW Oklahoma State, Central Oklahoma and others to form an all Oklahoma conference in the future? Great American Conference is the goal for those schools? It would put them over 14 if you include Rogers State and Cameron without football and UAFS without football. It seems there is a hint that some of the Lonestar and GAC schools might be moving to D1. The likely targets could be Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Harding, Henderson State, Commerce, Kingsville, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State and maybe for a non-football schools like Rogers State (Tulsa area), Cameron (Lawton) and UAFS (Fort Smith) could be logical Summit League members. In the future, I think Oklahoma Baptist could be a target for a D1 conference invite.

Langston was not a SWAC co-founder, they joined 11 years later in 1931. Prairie View is a founder and still in the conference so not all founders are now NAIA.

Oklahoma City U will not be invited to the GAC since they are very noticeably missing one of the 7 required sports (football); although it would be nice to see them in the Heartland. A new OIC is not going to happen for many reasons. Southern Nazarene and Northwestern Oklahoma State have been good adds to the GAC in their now 3 and 2 years as full members. SNU already has multiple NCAA postseason appearances.

No Arkansas or Oklahoma D2 school is going D1. The Oklahoma schools are having to make cuts and obviously do not have the necessary funding to make a move that would result in no real financial benefit. Arkansas schools don't really have the funding either and there is also no real financial benefit to go along with a major lack of support since the state is already over-saturated with D1 schools.

(05-01-2017 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the GNAC wants football or members? I think the public schools in the Cascade Conference might be able to make a move. I read an news article that Southern Oregon made a new record for enrollment of over 8000 students enrolled at the same time for last fall. Southern Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Oregon Tech and Evergreen State College might be able to join the GNAC. GNAC is mainly made up of Oregon, Washington, one Canada and one Idaho school. Playing football at Western Oregon, Central Washington, and Vancouver could be cheaper. College of Idaho could step up there as well for a travel partner for Northwest Nazarene.

Oregon:
Eastern Oregon
Southern Oregon
Western Oregon
Oregon Tech - X
Concordia-Portland

Idaho:
College of Idaho
NW Nazarene
Lewis And Clark State - X

Alaska:
Alaska
Alaska-Anchorage

Washington:
Central Washington
Saint Martin's
Seattle Pacific
Western Washington
Evergreen State - X

Simon Fraser

Montana:
Montana State-Billings
Carroll College

Football affiliates:
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Soccer:
Mary (North Dakota)


I could see the California public schools moving with the public schools in D2.

Cal.-Merced D2 over 7000 students in the fall of 2016. They are around the size of North Alabama that is moving to D1. - Not eligible: not enough sports
California Maritime D3 - Not eligible: not enough sports
Johnson and Wales-North Miami shows over 16,000 students, but that is all campuses combined. - With soon-to-be 2 JWU campuses in D3, likely no desire for D2
St. Thomas in Florida over 4000 might find a place in D2. They would be bigger than some D1 schools right now.
Southeastern might find a spot in D2.
College of Coastal Georgia, Georgia Gwinnett (close to 12,000 students in 2016) - Not eligible: not enough sports
Dalton State - Not eligible: no women's winter sport; also dropping 4 sports
Middle Georgia State
Roosevelt - non-football
Indiana Tech 9652 - non-football
Indiana U. East - non-football
Indiana U. Kokomo - non-football
Indiana U. Northwest - non-football
Indiana U. South Bend 8000 + - non-football
Indiana U. Southeast - non-football
LSU-Shreveport - Not eligible: not enough sports
Loyola-New Orleans
Lawrence Tech
Michigan-Dearborn over 9000 students. - non-football
Missouri Baptist
Bellevue - Not eligible: not enough sports
Northwestern Ohio - non-football
Shawnee State - non-football
Bethel, Tenn.
Houston-Victoria - Not eligible: not enough sports


Those are large enrollment that is actually more than severa; D2 and several D1 schools.

The GNAC does not need members, they need football members so scratch the non-football schools. The footprint of the Cascade/Frontier Conferences is very comparable to the GNAC (excluding Alaska).

Trimming the list to what is realistic. The Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio non-football schools chances are extremely slim with no non-football conferences in the area (Lawrence Tech is adding football). D2 requires 10 total sports with no less than 4 sports for one gender and each gender must be represented by 1 sport in the fall, winter, and spring seasons. Many factors contribute to decide the level a school competes at but enrollment does not determine the division and town population is definitely irrelevant.

(05-06-2017 10:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools come and gone. I like to see Langston back into the SWAC again which they were the co-founders of. The founders of SWAC are all in the NAIA right now. None of the schools there now are not.

I do see some potentials for Oklahoma City U. rejoin the D1 ranks. They did not do bad at D1. The payouts for men's basketball in the tournaments are much more now than it was back in the 1970s and 80s when OKCU were D1. They might have been a potential MVC target today if they have stayed. I do see them as a better GAC member than Southern Nazarene or a NW Oklahoma State.

But with the NW Oklahoma State, Central Oklahoma and others to form an all Oklahoma conference in the future? Great American Conference is the goal for those schools? It would put them over 14 if you include Rogers State and Cameron without football and UAFS without football. It seems there is a hint that some of the Lonestar and GAC schools might be moving to D1. The likely targets could be Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Harding, Henderson State, Commerce, Kingsville, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State and maybe for a non-football schools like Rogers State (Tulsa area), Cameron (Lawton) and UAFS (Fort Smith) could be logical Summit League members. In the future, I think Oklahoma Baptist could be a target for a D1 conference invite.

Langston was not a SWAC co-founder, they joined 11 years later in 1931. Prairie View is a founder and still in the conference so not all founders are now NAIA.

Oklahoma City U will not be invited to the GAC since they are very noticeably missing one of the 7 required sports (football); although it would be nice to see them in the Heartland. A new OIC is not going to happen for many reasons. Southern Nazarene and Northwestern Oklahoma State have been good adds to the GAC in their now 3 and 2 years as full members. SNU already has multiple NCAA postseason appearances.

No Arkansas or Oklahoma D2 school is going D1. The Oklahoma schools are having to make cuts and obviously do not have the necessary funding to make a move that would result in no real financial benefit. Arkansas schools don't really have the funding either and there is also no real financial benefit to go along with a major lack of support since the state is already over-saturated with D1 schools.

(05-01-2017 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the GNAC wants football or members? I think the public schools in the Cascade Conference might be able to make a move. I read an news article that Southern Oregon made a new record for enrollment of over 8000 students enrolled at the same time for last fall. Southern Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Oregon Tech and Evergreen State College might be able to join the GNAC. GNAC is mainly made up of Oregon, Washington, one Canada and one Idaho school. Playing football at Western Oregon, Central Washington, and Vancouver could be cheaper. College of Idaho could step up there as well for a travel partner for Northwest Nazarene.

Oregon:
Eastern Oregon
Southern Oregon
Western Oregon
Oregon Tech - X
Concordia-Portland

Idaho:
College of Idaho
NW Nazarene
Lewis And Clark State - X

Alaska:
Alaska
Alaska-Anchorage

Washington:
Central Washington
Saint Martin's
Seattle Pacific
Western Washington
Evergreen State - X

Simon Fraser

Montana:
Montana State-Billings
Carroll College

Football affiliates:
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Soccer:
Mary (North Dakota)


I could see the California public schools moving with the public schools in D2.

Cal.-Merced D2 over 7000 students in the fall of 2016. They are around the size of North Alabama that is moving to D1. - Not eligible: not enough sports
California Maritime D3 - Not eligible: not enough sports
Johnson and Wales-North Miami shows over 16,000 students, but that is all campuses combined. - With soon-to-be 2 JWU campuses in D3, likely no desire for D2
St. Thomas in Florida over 4000 might find a place in D2. They would be bigger than some D1 schools right now.
Southeastern might find a spot in D2.
College of Coastal Georgia, Georgia Gwinnett (close to 12,000 students in 2016) - Not eligible: not enough sports
Dalton State - Not eligible: no women's winter sport; also dropping 4 sports
Middle Georgia State
Roosevelt - non-football
Indiana Tech 9652 - non-football
Indiana U. East - non-football
Indiana U. Kokomo - non-football
Indiana U. Northwest - non-football
Indiana U. South Bend 8000 + - non-football
Indiana U. Southeast - non-football
LSU-Shreveport - Not eligible: not enough sports
Loyola-New Orleans
Lawrence Tech
Michigan-Dearborn over 9000 students. - non-football
Missouri Baptist
Bellevue - Not eligible: not enough sports
Northwestern Ohio - non-football
Shawnee State - non-football
Bethel, Tenn.
Houston-Victoria - Not eligible: not enough sports


Those are large enrollment that is actually more than severa; D2 and several D1 schools.

The GNAC does not need members, they need football members so scratch the non-football schools. The footprint of the Cascade/Frontier Conferences is very comparable to the GNAC (excluding Alaska).

Trimming the list to what is realistic. The Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio non-football schools chances are extremely slim with no non-football conferences in the area (Lawrence Tech is adding football). D2 requires 10 total sports with no less than 4 sports for one gender and each gender must be represented by 1 sport in the fall, winter, and spring seasons. Many factors contribute to decide the level a school competes at but enrollment does not determine the division and town population is definitely irrelevant.

Many of these schools I listed also showed that they could be adding sports. LAX have been added by many schools lately.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/...42554.html
UC-Merced pour more than a billion dollars into the community with their growth. They are making room for more students and staff. More sports could be added to help grow the economy more for the city. This school could be a possible D2 candidate in the future. I did not mean for the schools to be added today even though several of them could make the move.

http://www.kesq.com/sports/copper-mounta...s/87489333

Copper Mountain College propose adding athletics. Could be one of the schools that Teamvsn mentioned.

http://thegrowthblog.blogspot.com/

That website shows how many colleges and universities adding LAX.

Coastal Georgia College seems to have a future which means athletics as well.

http://www.ccga.edu/page.cfm?p=534&newsid=162

Read the last paragraph. It seems cryptic to me. Why go to the length of mentioning football as something about what the future of the school could be? It sounds like they want to be the next Kennesaw State.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/yes-georgi...zbZjt0EVJ/

Georgia Gwinnett College could be adding more sports in the next several years. Even football have not been ruled out. Pretty good for a school that opened in 2005, and added sports in 2013-14 school year, and won 2 national titles in baseball. This is the school I could see move to D2 not too far in the future.

Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech are much better position to go to D1 than the other schools that they are with. I think Central Oklahoma is number 3 in the state of Oklahoma in population wise of students enrolled. They are in an area that they could schedule Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tulsa. Might be a body bag games for a first few years, but they would get a bigger paycheck that is worth it. Plus, if you add Oral Roberts, Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri State? They could be close competition as well. Plus the schools in the Dallas area would be okay as well.

Copper mountain is a JC.

(05-07-2017 05:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 10:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools come and gone. I like to see Langston back into the SWAC again which they were the co-founders of. The founders of SWAC are all in the NAIA right now. None of the schools there now are not.

I do see some potentials for Oklahoma City U. rejoin the D1 ranks. They did not do bad at D1. The payouts for men's basketball in the tournaments are much more now than it was back in the 1970s and 80s when OKCU were D1. They might have been a potential MVC target today if they have stayed. I do see them as a better GAC member than Southern Nazarene or a NW Oklahoma State.

But with the NW Oklahoma State, Central Oklahoma and others to form an all Oklahoma conference in the future? Great American Conference is the goal for those schools? It would put them over 14 if you include Rogers State and Cameron without football and UAFS without football. It seems there is a hint that some of the Lonestar and GAC schools might be moving to D1. The likely targets could be Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Harding, Henderson State, Commerce, Kingsville, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State and maybe for a non-football schools like Rogers State (Tulsa area), Cameron (Lawton) and UAFS (Fort Smith) could be logical Summit League members. In the future, I think Oklahoma Baptist could be a target for a D1 conference invite.

Langston was not a SWAC co-founder, they joined 11 years later in 1931. Prairie View is a founder and still in the conference so not all founders are now NAIA.

Oklahoma City U will not be invited to the GAC since they are very noticeably missing one of the 7 required sports (football); although it would be nice to see them in the Heartland. A new OIC is not going to happen for many reasons. Southern Nazarene and Northwestern Oklahoma State have been good adds to the GAC in their now 3 and 2 years as full members. SNU already has multiple NCAA postseason appearances.

No Arkansas or Oklahoma D2 school is going D1. The Oklahoma schools are having to make cuts and obviously do not have the necessary funding to make a move that would result in no real financial benefit. Arkansas schools don't really have the funding either and there is also no real financial benefit to go along with a major lack of support since the state is already over-saturated with D1 schools.

(05-01-2017 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the GNAC wants football or members? I think the public schools in the Cascade Conference might be able to make a move. I read an news article that Southern Oregon made a new record for enrollment of over 8000 students enrolled at the same time for last fall. Southern Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Oregon Tech and Evergreen State College might be able to join the GNAC. GNAC is mainly made up of Oregon, Washington, one Canada and one Idaho school. Playing football at Western Oregon, Central Washington, and Vancouver could be cheaper. College of Idaho could step up there as well for a travel partner for Northwest Nazarene.

Oregon:
Eastern Oregon
Southern Oregon
Western Oregon
Oregon Tech - X
Concordia-Portland

Idaho:
College of Idaho
NW Nazarene
Lewis And Clark State - X

Alaska:
Alaska
Alaska-Anchorage

Washington:
Central Washington
Saint Martin's
Seattle Pacific
Western Washington
Evergreen State - X

Simon Fraser

Montana:
Montana State-Billings
Carroll College

Football affiliates:
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Soccer:
Mary (North Dakota)


I could see the California public schools moving with the public schools in D2.

Cal.-Merced D2 over 7000 students in the fall of 2016. They are around the size of North Alabama that is moving to D1. - Not eligible: not enough sports
California Maritime D3 - Not eligible: not enough sports
Johnson and Wales-North Miami shows over 16,000 students, but that is all campuses combined. - With soon-to-be 2 JWU campuses in D3, likely no desire for D2
St. Thomas in Florida over 4000 might find a place in D2. They would be bigger than some D1 schools right now.
Southeastern might find a spot in D2.
College of Coastal Georgia, Georgia Gwinnett (close to 12,000 students in 2016) - Not eligible: not enough sports
Dalton State - Not eligible: no women's winter sport; also dropping 4 sports
Middle Georgia State
Roosevelt - non-football
Indiana Tech 9652 - non-football
Indiana U. East - non-football
Indiana U. Kokomo - non-football
Indiana U. Northwest - non-football
Indiana U. South Bend 8000 + - non-football
Indiana U. Southeast - non-football
LSU-Shreveport - Not eligible: not enough sports
Loyola-New Orleans
Lawrence Tech
Michigan-Dearborn over 9000 students. - non-football
Missouri Baptist
Bellevue - Not eligible: not enough sports
Northwestern Ohio - non-football
Shawnee State - non-football
Bethel, Tenn.
Houston-Victoria - Not eligible: not enough sports


Those are large enrollment that is actually more than severa; D2 and several D1 schools.

The GNAC does not need members, they need football members so scratch the non-football schools. The footprint of the Cascade/Frontier Conferences is very comparable to the GNAC (excluding Alaska).

Trimming the list to what is realistic. The Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio non-football schools chances are extremely slim with no non-football conferences in the area (Lawrence Tech is adding football). D2 requires 10 total sports with no less than 4 sports for one gender and each gender must be represented by 1 sport in the fall, winter, and spring seasons. Many factors contribute to decide the level a school competes at but enrollment does not determine the division and town population is definitely irrelevant.

Many of these schools I listed also showed that they could be adding sports. LAX have been added by many schools lately.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/...42554.html
UC-Merced pour more than a billion dollars into the community with their growth. They are making room for more students and staff. More sports could be added to help grow the economy more for the city. This school could be a possible D2 candidate in the future. I did not mean for the schools to be added today even though several of them could make the move.

http://www.kesq.com/sports/copper-mounta...s/87489333

Copper Mountain College propose adding athletics. Could be one of the schools that Teamvsn mentioned.

http://thegrowthblog.blogspot.com/

That website shows how many colleges and universities adding LAX.

Coastal Georgia College seems to have a future which means athletics as well.

http://www.ccga.edu/page.cfm?p=534&newsid=162

Read the last paragraph. It seems cryptic to me. Why go to the length of mentioning football as something about what the future of the school could be? It sounds like they want to be the next Kennesaw State.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/yes-georgi...zbZjt0EVJ/

Georgia Gwinnett College could be adding more sports in the next several years. Even football have not been ruled out. Pretty good for a school that opened in 2005, and added sports in 2013-14 school year, and won 2 national titles in baseball. This is the school I could see move to D2 not too far in the future.

Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech are much better position to go to D1 than the other schools that they are with. I think Central Oklahoma is number 3 in the state of Oklahoma in population wise of students enrolled. They are in an area that they could schedule Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tulsa. Might be a body bag games for a first few years, but they would get a bigger paycheck that is worth it. Plus, if you add Oral Roberts, Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri State? They could be close competition as well. Plus the schools in the Dallas area would be okay as well.

I'm not going to take a chance on a school based on what they "MIGHT" do in the future, I'm only taking a chance on a school based on what they have today. When the school makes the additions to meet the qualifications then they can be put in place for consideration. Auburn-Montgomery was supposed to start women's volleyball in fall '16 but it did not happen. The addition of that sport is what helped them to be accepted by D2 so it's lucky that AUM had already met D2 requirements and not been accepted with only nine sports sponsored. Copper Mountain College is a 2-year school so they will not be a possibility for NCAA or NAIA since neither group accepts 2-year schools as members.

You can forget about Arkansas Tech in D1. Arkansas is to small of a state to have a 6th D1 team with 4 of them located on a short 120 mile drive. ATU gets good support; just not enough for D1. I want Tech to add sports to improve GAC competition but D1 would require up to 6 sports to be added to satisfy D1 and Title IX needs. I don't say this based on what I think, hearsay, or obscure and irrelevant articles; I can say this factually because I am a Wonder Boy and T Club member. I have also been a part of some conference membership discussions during the last 35 years. The state of Oklahoma has budget issues and there is no way Central Oklahoma could compete in D1 being completely shadowed by Oklahoma and Oklahoma State regardless of how many students UCO has.

(05-07-2017 11:55 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 05:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 10:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools come and gone. I like to see Langston back into the SWAC again which they were the co-founders of. The founders of SWAC are all in the NAIA right now. None of the schools there now are not.

I do see some potentials for Oklahoma City U. rejoin the D1 ranks. They did not do bad at D1. The payouts for men's basketball in the tournaments are much more now than it was back in the 1970s and 80s when OKCU were D1. They might have been a potential MVC target today if they have stayed. I do see them as a better GAC member than Southern Nazarene or a NW Oklahoma State.

But with the NW Oklahoma State, Central Oklahoma and others to form an all Oklahoma conference in the future? Great American Conference is the goal for those schools? It would put them over 14 if you include Rogers State and Cameron without football and UAFS without football. It seems there is a hint that some of the Lonestar and GAC schools might be moving to D1. The likely targets could be Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Harding, Henderson State, Commerce, Kingsville, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State and maybe for a non-football schools like Rogers State (Tulsa area), Cameron (Lawton) and UAFS (Fort Smith) could be logical Summit League members. In the future, I think Oklahoma Baptist could be a target for a D1 conference invite.

Langston was not a SWAC co-founder, they joined 11 years later in 1931. Prairie View is a founder and still in the conference so not all founders are now NAIA.

Oklahoma City U will not be invited to the GAC since they are very noticeably missing one of the 7 required sports (football); although it would be nice to see them in the Heartland. A new OIC is not going to happen for many reasons. Southern Nazarene and Northwestern Oklahoma State have been good adds to the GAC in their now 3 and 2 years as full members. SNU already has multiple NCAA postseason appearances.

No Arkansas or Oklahoma D2 school is going D1. The Oklahoma schools are having to make cuts and obviously do not have the necessary funding to make a move that would result in no real financial benefit. Arkansas schools don't really have the funding either and there is also no real financial benefit to go along with a major lack of support since the state is already over-saturated with D1 schools.

(05-01-2017 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the GNAC wants football or members? I think the public schools in the Cascade Conference might be able to make a move. I read an news article that Southern Oregon made a new record for enrollment of over 8000 students enrolled at the same time for last fall. Southern Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Oregon Tech and Evergreen State College might be able to join the GNAC. GNAC is mainly made up of Oregon, Washington, one Canada and one Idaho school. Playing football at Western Oregon, Central Washington, and Vancouver could be cheaper. College of Idaho could step up there as well for a travel partner for Northwest Nazarene.

Oregon:
Eastern Oregon
Southern Oregon
Western Oregon
Oregon Tech - X
Concordia-Portland

Idaho:
College of Idaho
NW Nazarene
Lewis And Clark State - X

Alaska:
Alaska
Alaska-Anchorage

Washington:
Central Washington
Saint Martin's
Seattle Pacific
Western Washington
Evergreen State - X

Simon Fraser

Montana:
Montana State-Billings
Carroll College

Football affiliates:
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Soccer:
Mary (North Dakota)


I could see the California public schools moving with the public schools in D2.

Cal.-Merced D2 over 7000 students in the fall of 2016. They are around the size of North Alabama that is moving to D1. - Not eligible: not enough sports
California Maritime D3 - Not eligible: not enough sports
Johnson and Wales-North Miami shows over 16,000 students, but that is all campuses combined. - With soon-to-be 2 JWU campuses in D3, likely no desire for D2
St. Thomas in Florida over 4000 might find a place in D2. They would be bigger than some D1 schools right now.
Southeastern might find a spot in D2.
College of Coastal Georgia, Georgia Gwinnett (close to 12,000 students in 2016) - Not eligible: not enough sports
Dalton State - Not eligible: no women's winter sport; also dropping 4 sports
Middle Georgia State
Roosevelt - non-football
Indiana Tech 9652 - non-football
Indiana U. East - non-football
Indiana U. Kokomo - non-football
Indiana U. Northwest - non-football
Indiana U. South Bend 8000 + - non-football
Indiana U. Southeast - non-football
LSU-Shreveport - Not eligible: not enough sports
Loyola-New Orleans
Lawrence Tech
Michigan-Dearborn over 9000 students. - non-football
Missouri Baptist
Bellevue - Not eligible: not enough sports
Northwestern Ohio - non-football
Shawnee State - non-football
Bethel, Tenn.
Houston-Victoria - Not eligible: not enough sports


Those are large enrollment that is actually more than severa; D2 and several D1 schools.

The GNAC does not need members, they need football members so scratch the non-football schools. The footprint of the Cascade/Frontier Conferences is very comparable to the GNAC (excluding Alaska).

Trimming the list to what is realistic. The Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio non-football schools chances are extremely slim with no non-football conferences in the area (Lawrence Tech is adding football). D2 requires 10 total sports with no less than 4 sports for one gender and each gender must be represented by 1 sport in the fall, winter, and spring seasons. Many factors contribute to decide the level a school competes at but enrollment does not determine the division and town population is definitely irrelevant.

Many of these schools I listed also showed that they could be adding sports. LAX have been added by many schools lately.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/...42554.html
UC-Merced pour more than a billion dollars into the community with their growth. They are making room for more students and staff. More sports could be added to help grow the economy more for the city. This school could be a possible D2 candidate in the future. I did not mean for the schools to be added today even though several of them could make the move.

http://www.kesq.com/sports/copper-mounta...s/87489333

Copper Mountain College propose adding athletics. Could be one of the schools that Teamvsn mentioned.

http://thegrowthblog.blogspot.com/

That website shows how many colleges and universities adding LAX.

Coastal Georgia College seems to have a future which means athletics as well.

http://www.ccga.edu/page.cfm?p=534&newsid=162

Read the last paragraph. It seems cryptic to me. Why go to the length of mentioning football as something about what the future of the school could be? It sounds like they want to be the next Kennesaw State.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/yes-georgi...zbZjt0EVJ/

Georgia Gwinnett College could be adding more sports in the next several years. Even football have not been ruled out. Pretty good for a school that opened in 2005, and added sports in 2013-14 school year, and won 2 national titles in baseball. This is the school I could see move to D2 not too far in the future.

Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech are much better position to go to D1 than the other schools that they are with. I think Central Oklahoma is number 3 in the state of Oklahoma in population wise of students enrolled. They are in an area that they could schedule Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tulsa. Might be a body bag games for a first few years, but they would get a bigger paycheck that is worth it. Plus, if you add Oral Roberts, Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri State? They could be close competition as well. Plus the schools in the Dallas area would be okay as well.

I'm not going to take a chance on a school based on what they "MIGHT" do in the future, I'm only taking a chance on a school based on what they have today. When the school makes the additions to meet the qualifications then they can be put in place for consideration. Auburn-Montgomery was supposed to start women's volleyball in fall '16 but it did not happen. The addition of that sport is what helped them to be accepted by D2 so it's lucky that AUM had already met D2 requirements and not been accepted with only nine sports sponsored. Copper Mountain College is a 2-year school so they will not be a possibility for NCAA or NAIA since neither group accepts 2-year schools as members.

You can forget about Arkansas Tech in D1. Arkansas is to small of a state to have a 6th D1 team with 4 of them located on a short 120 mile drive. ATU gets good support; just not enough for D1. I want Tech to add sports to improve GAC competition but D1 would require up to 6 sports to be added to satisfy D1 and Title IX needs. I don't say this based on what I think, hearsay, or obscure and irrelevant articles; I can say this factually because I am a Wonder Boy and T Club member. I have also been a part of some conference membership discussions during the last 35 years. The state of Oklahoma has budget issues and there is no way Central Oklahoma could compete in D1 being completely shadowed by Oklahoma and Oklahoma State regardless of how many students UCO has.

I am an ATU grad myself. It is been talk about Tech to D1 since I went there. As it is, Tech is third in student population.

Arkansas
Arkansas State
Arkansas Tech
UCA

The other schools are further behind. UCA wanted Tech to go with them into the Southland which the Southland would have been happy to accept them. We already did play Southland schools in football and other sports. Tech could add these sports to go to D1.
Swimming and Diving
Womens soccer
Womens LAX
Mens LAX
Beach Volleyball
mens Bowling

These sports might work out.

Idaho is very small, but they do have 3 D1 schools and a 4th in D2.

As for UCO? Remember Northern Kentucky said they did not have the money and all that to go to D1, and they went to D1 when they got an invite. It would be possible if a right deal comes up for them to join the D1 rank. Both Arkansas Tech and UCO could join the Southland when they can.

Wayne state in Detroit should be D1

(05-07-2017 12:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 11:55 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 05:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 10:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools come and gone. I like to see Langston back into the SWAC again which they were the co-founders of. The founders of SWAC are all in the NAIA right now. None of the schools there now are not.

I do see some potentials for Oklahoma City U. rejoin the D1 ranks. They did not do bad at D1. The payouts for men's basketball in the tournaments are much more now than it was back in the 1970s and 80s when OKCU were D1. They might have been a potential MVC target today if they have stayed. I do see them as a better GAC member than Southern Nazarene or a NW Oklahoma State.

But with the NW Oklahoma State, Central Oklahoma and others to form an all Oklahoma conference in the future? Great American Conference is the goal for those schools? It would put them over 14 if you include Rogers State and Cameron without football and UAFS without football. It seems there is a hint that some of the Lonestar and GAC schools might be moving to D1. The likely targets could be Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Harding, Henderson State, Commerce, Kingsville, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State and maybe for a non-football schools like Rogers State (Tulsa area), Cameron (Lawton) and UAFS (Fort Smith) could be logical Summit League members. In the future, I think Oklahoma Baptist could be a target for a D1 conference invite.

Langston was not a SWAC co-founder, they joined 11 years later in 1931. Prairie View is a founder and still in the conference so not all founders are now NAIA.

Oklahoma City U will not be invited to the GAC since they are very noticeably missing one of the 7 required sports (football); although it would be nice to see them in the Heartland. A new OIC is not going to happen for many reasons. Southern Nazarene and Northwestern Oklahoma State have been good adds to the GAC in their now 3 and 2 years as full members. SNU already has multiple NCAA postseason appearances.

No Arkansas or Oklahoma D2 school is going D1. The Oklahoma schools are having to make cuts and obviously do not have the necessary funding to make a move that would result in no real financial benefit. Arkansas schools don't really have the funding either and there is also no real financial benefit to go along with a major lack of support since the state is already over-saturated with D1 schools.

(05-01-2017 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the GNAC wants football or members? I think the public schools in the Cascade Conference might be able to make a move. I read an news article that Southern Oregon made a new record for enrollment of over 8000 students enrolled at the same time for last fall. Southern Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Oregon Tech and Evergreen State College might be able to join the GNAC. GNAC is mainly made up of Oregon, Washington, one Canada and one Idaho school. Playing football at Western Oregon, Central Washington, and Vancouver could be cheaper. College of Idaho could step up there as well for a travel partner for Northwest Nazarene.

Oregon:
Eastern Oregon
Southern Oregon
Western Oregon
Oregon Tech - X
Concordia-Portland

Idaho:
College of Idaho
NW Nazarene
Lewis And Clark State - X

Alaska:
Alaska
Alaska-Anchorage

Washington:
Central Washington
Saint Martin's
Seattle Pacific
Western Washington
Evergreen State - X

Simon Fraser

Montana:
Montana State-Billings
Carroll College

Football affiliates:
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Soccer:
Mary (North Dakota)


I could see the California public schools moving with the public schools in D2.

Cal.-Merced D2 over 7000 students in the fall of 2016. They are around the size of North Alabama that is moving to D1. - Not eligible: not enough sports
California Maritime D3 - Not eligible: not enough sports
Johnson and Wales-North Miami shows over 16,000 students, but that is all campuses combined. - With soon-to-be 2 JWU campuses in D3, likely no desire for D2
St. Thomas in Florida over 4000 might find a place in D2. They would be bigger than some D1 schools right now.
Southeastern might find a spot in D2.
College of Coastal Georgia, Georgia Gwinnett (close to 12,000 students in 2016) - Not eligible: not enough sports
Dalton State - Not eligible: no women's winter sport; also dropping 4 sports
Middle Georgia State
Roosevelt - non-football
Indiana Tech 9652 - non-football
Indiana U. East - non-football
Indiana U. Kokomo - non-football
Indiana U. Northwest - non-football
Indiana U. South Bend 8000 + - non-football
Indiana U. Southeast - non-football
LSU-Shreveport - Not eligible: not enough sports
Loyola-New Orleans
Lawrence Tech
Michigan-Dearborn over 9000 students. - non-football
Missouri Baptist
Bellevue - Not eligible: not enough sports
Northwestern Ohio - non-football
Shawnee State - non-football
Bethel, Tenn.
Houston-Victoria - Not eligible: not enough sports


Those are large enrollment that is actually more than severa; D2 and several D1 schools.

The GNAC does not need members, they need football members so scratch the non-football schools. The footprint of the Cascade/Frontier Conferences is very comparable to the GNAC (excluding Alaska).

Trimming the list to what is realistic. The Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio non-football schools chances are extremely slim with no non-football conferences in the area (Lawrence Tech is adding football). D2 requires 10 total sports with no less than 4 sports for one gender and each gender must be represented by 1 sport in the fall, winter, and spring seasons. Many factors contribute to decide the level a school competes at but enrollment does not determine the division and town population is definitely irrelevant.

Many of these schools I listed also showed that they could be adding sports. LAX have been added by many schools lately.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/...42554.html
UC-Merced pour more than a billion dollars into the community with their growth. They are making room for more students and staff. More sports could be added to help grow the economy more for the city. This school could be a possible D2 candidate in the future. I did not mean for the schools to be added today even though several of them could make the move.

http://www.kesq.com/sports/copper-mounta...s/87489333

Copper Mountain College propose adding athletics. Could be one of the schools that Teamvsn mentioned.

http://thegrowthblog.blogspot.com/

That website shows how many colleges and universities adding LAX.

Coastal Georgia College seems to have a future which means athletics as well.

http://www.ccga.edu/page.cfm?p=534&newsid=162

Read the last paragraph. It seems cryptic to me. Why go to the length of mentioning football as something about what the future of the school could be? It sounds like they want to be the next Kennesaw State.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/yes-georgi...zbZjt0EVJ/

Georgia Gwinnett College could be adding more sports in the next several years. Even football have not been ruled out. Pretty good for a school that opened in 2005, and added sports in 2013-14 school year, and won 2 national titles in baseball. This is the school I could see move to D2 not too far in the future.

Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech are much better position to go to D1 than the other schools that they are with. I think Central Oklahoma is number 3 in the state of Oklahoma in population wise of students enrolled. They are in an area that they could schedule Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tulsa. Might be a body bag games for a first few years, but they would get a bigger paycheck that is worth it. Plus, if you add Oral Roberts, Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri State? They could be close competition as well. Plus the schools in the Dallas area would be okay as well.

I'm not going to take a chance on a school based on what they "MIGHT" do in the future, I'm only taking a chance on a school based on what they have today. When the school makes the additions to meet the qualifications then they can be put in place for consideration. Auburn-Montgomery was supposed to start women's volleyball in fall '16 but it did not happen. The addition of that sport is what helped them to be accepted by D2 so it's lucky that AUM had already met D2 requirements and not been accepted with only nine sports sponsored. Copper Mountain College is a 2-year school so they will not be a possibility for NCAA or NAIA since neither group accepts 2-year schools as members.

You can forget about Arkansas Tech in D1. Arkansas is to small of a state to have a 6th D1 team with 4 of them located on a short 120 mile drive. ATU gets good support; just not enough for D1. I want Tech to add sports to improve GAC competition but D1 would require up to 6 sports to be added to satisfy D1 and Title IX needs. I don't say this based on what I think, hearsay, or obscure and irrelevant articles; I can say this factually because I am a Wonder Boy and T Club member. I have also been a part of some conference membership discussions during the last 35 years. The state of Oklahoma has budget issues and there is no way Central Oklahoma could compete in D1 being completely shadowed by Oklahoma and Oklahoma State regardless of how many students UCO has.

I am an ATU grad myself. It is been talk about Tech to D1 since I went there. As it is, Tech is third in student population.

Arkansas
Arkansas State
Arkansas Tech
UCA

The other schools are further behind. UCA wanted Tech to go with them into the Southland which the Southland would have been happy to accept them. We already did play Southland schools in football and other sports. Tech could add these sports to go to D1.
Swimming and Diving - pool was closed in 2011
Womens soccer
Womens LAX
Mens LAX
Beach Volleyball
mens Bowling - not an NCAA sport

These sports might work out.

Idaho is very small, but they do have 3 D1 schools and a 4th in D2.

As for UCO? Remember Northern Kentucky said they did not have the money and all that to go to D1, and they went to D1 when they got an invite. It would be possible if a right deal comes up for them to join the D1 rank. Both Arkansas Tech and UCO could join the Southland when they can.

You're trying to tell me what I already know. I'm telling you that I know more because of my 35 years of activity with ATU. Arkansas Tech never gave the Southland a second thought and has absolutely no desire for D1. What the reality is; if there was a plan for D1, sports would have been added since central arkansas joined the SLC in 2006 and there has been zero added sports. It does not matter that we have played Southland schools in the past. We have also played schools in the Mountain West, Southeastern, and Atlantic Sun Conferences but that doesn't mean we have a chance to join any of them. How things are in Idaho is irrelevant to Arkansas, the pigs dominate everything in the state and there just happens to be 4 other D1 schools. It has been stated before, the economics in Kentucky that helped Northern Kentucky move up are not the same in other locations and Oklahoma is not in a good situation now. Central Oklahoma really has no desire to compete against major schools that are only 30 and 50 miles away. There is no benefit at all for a D1 move by either ATU or UCO.

http://azdailysun.com/sports/local/rexro...c6d41.html

The first football season at Ottawa, Arizona would be 2018. They are gunning to join the NAIA later this year so that they can be in a conference by 2018-2019 school year.

(05-10-2017 10:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://azdailysun.com/sports/local/rexro...c6d41.html

The first football season at Ottawa, Arizona would be 2018. They are gunning to join the NAIA later this year so that they can be in a conference by 2018-2019 school year.

NAIA Application deadline is October 1, decisions made at the convention in April.

http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/c...101615170/

Might be some movement for NJCAA Arizona schools could go 4 year and join NAIA in the future. 4 JC schools in the Phoenix Valley area have recommended that the football programs should be cut. Scottsdale, Mesa, Phoenix and Glendale.

This could mean that Arizona Western, Pima and Eastern Arizona could go NAIA. Could be a nice NAIA conference forming in Arizona and New Mexico.

Pima
Eastern Arizona
Arizona Western
Arizona Christian
Ottawa
Dine
Navajo Tech
New Mexico Military going from JC to 4 year.

Arizona only have 7 football schools at the JC level. 1 at NAIA. 1 not listed yet. 1 adding sports. 1 in New Mexico adding sports. 1 New Mexico Military school could help bridge the gap between Arizona to Texas and Oklahoma schools.

(05-12-2017 11:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/c...101615170/

Might be some movement for NJCAA Arizona schools could go 4 year and join NAIA in the future. 4 JC schools in the Phoenix Valley area have recommended that the football programs should be cut. Scottsdale, Mesa, Phoenix and Glendale.

This could mean that Arizona Western, Pima and Eastern Arizona could go NAIA. Could be a nice NAIA conference forming in Arizona and New Mexico.

Pima
Eastern Arizona
Arizona Western
Arizona Christian
Ottawa
Dine
Navajo Tech
New Mexico Military going from JC to 4 year.

Arizona only have 7 football schools at the JC level. 1 at NAIA. 1 not listed yet. 1 adding sports. 1 in New Mexico adding sports. 1 New Mexico Military school could help bridge the gap between Arizona to Texas and Oklahoma schools.

Stop the fantasy. Absolutely nothing in the article mentions schools being transformed into a 4-year and joining NAIA.

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/c...101615170/

Might be some movement for NJCAA Arizona schools could go 4 year and join NAIA in the future. 4 JC schools in the Phoenix Valley area have recommended that the football programs should be cut. Scottsdale, Mesa, Phoenix and Glendale.

This could mean that Arizona Western, Pima and Eastern Arizona could go NAIA. Could be a nice NAIA conference forming in Arizona and New Mexico.

Pima
Eastern Arizona
Arizona Western
Arizona Christian
Ottawa
Dine
Navajo Tech
New Mexico Military going from JC to 4 year.

Arizona only have 7 football schools at the JC level. 1 at NAIA. 1 not listed yet. 1 adding sports. 1 in New Mexico adding sports. 1 New Mexico Military school could help bridge the gap between Arizona to Texas and Oklahoma schools.

Stop the fantasy. Absolutely nothing in the article mentions schools being transformed into a 4-year and joining NAIA.

This is only talks and speculations what is going to happen to the 3 Arizona JC football schools. My friends who lives in the area of Yuma and mainly in Parker with a AW campus in Parker have been talking for awhile what they heard about Arizona Western be turning into a 4 year college. These friends are my former classmates in elementary school in Parker. So, you are trying to tell me as a complete stranger that Arizona Western not going to 4 year, but my friends from Parker are saying that there are talks? I will take the words from my friends than over you any day.

(05-19-2017 03:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/c...101615170/

Might be some movement for NJCAA Arizona schools could go 4 year and join NAIA in the future. 4 JC schools in the Phoenix Valley area have recommended that the football programs should be cut. Scottsdale, Mesa, Phoenix and Glendale.

This could mean that Arizona Western, Pima and Eastern Arizona could go NAIA. Could be a nice NAIA conference forming in Arizona and New Mexico.

Pima
Eastern Arizona
Arizona Western
Arizona Christian
Ottawa
Dine
Navajo Tech
New Mexico Military going from JC to 4 year.

Arizona only have 7 football schools at the JC level. 1 at NAIA. 1 not listed yet. 1 adding sports. 1 in New Mexico adding sports. 1 New Mexico Military school could help bridge the gap between Arizona to Texas and Oklahoma schools.

Stop the fantasy. Absolutely nothing in the article mentions schools being transformed into a 4-year and joining NAIA.

This is only talks and speculations what is going to happen to the 3 Arizona JC football schools. My friends who lives in the area of Yuma and mainly in Parker with a AW campus in Parker have been talking for awhile what they heard about Arizona Western be turning into a 4 year college. These friends are my former classmates in elementary school in Parker. So, you are trying to tell me as a complete stranger that Arizona Western not going to 4 year, but my friends from Parker are saying that there are talks? I will take the words from my friends than over you any day.

No, there are no talks of turning the JC's into 4-year colleges. There may be some that want it, but it is just that.

Yuma HAS a four-year college that shares a campus with Arizona Western - NAU-Yuma. The State neither has the inclination nor the funding to start an athletic program at NAU-Yuma, just like there are no athletic programs at UA-Cochise, or ASU-West.

So take the word of a NAU alum, who lives in Arizona. Or don't. You live in your own world, since you refuse to believe people that LIVE in Grand Junction that Colorado-Mesa is not moving, has no desire to move, and never will move to DI.

(05-19-2017 03:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/c...101615170/

Might be some movement for NJCAA Arizona schools could go 4 year and join NAIA in the future. 4 JC schools in the Phoenix Valley area have recommended that the football programs should be cut. Scottsdale, Mesa, Phoenix and Glendale.

This could mean that Arizona Western, Pima and Eastern Arizona could go NAIA. Could be a nice NAIA conference forming in Arizona and New Mexico.

Pima
Eastern Arizona
Arizona Western
Arizona Christian
Ottawa
Dine
Navajo Tech
New Mexico Military going from JC to 4 year.

Arizona only have 7 football schools at the JC level. 1 at NAIA. 1 not listed yet. 1 adding sports. 1 in New Mexico adding sports. 1 New Mexico Military school could help bridge the gap between Arizona to Texas and Oklahoma schools.

Stop the fantasy. Absolutely nothing in the article mentions schools being transformed into a 4-year and joining NAIA.

This is only talks and speculations what is going to happen to the 3 Arizona JC football schools. My friends who lives in the area of Yuma and mainly in Parker with a AW campus in Parker have been talking for awhile what they heard about Arizona Western be turning into a 4 year college. These friends are my former classmates in elementary school in Parker. So, you are trying to tell me as a complete stranger that Arizona Western not going to 4 year, but my friends from Parker are saying that there are talks? I will take the words from my friends than over you any day.

The problem is that you linked an article that is about 4 JCs losing football but your post is about 2-year schools turning into 4-year schools and joining the NAIA based on friends' hearsay. There is just no connection from the link to the rest of the post. Oh, and I am also connected to Arizona since I have family there and I am an Arizona native.

(05-19-2017 04:51 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-19-2017 03:59 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-12-2017 11:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  http://www.azcentral.com/videos/sports/c...101615170/

Might be some movement for NJCAA Arizona schools could go 4 year and join NAIA in the future. 4 JC schools in the Phoenix Valley area have recommended that the football programs should be cut. Scottsdale, Mesa, Phoenix and Glendale.

This could mean that Arizona Western, Pima and Eastern Arizona could go NAIA. Could be a nice NAIA conference forming in Arizona and New Mexico.

Pima
Eastern Arizona
Arizona Western
Arizona Christian
Ottawa
Dine
Navajo Tech
New Mexico Military going from JC to 4 year.

Arizona only have 7 football schools at the JC level. 1 at NAIA. 1 not listed yet. 1 adding sports. 1 in New Mexico adding sports. 1 New Mexico Military school could help bridge the gap between Arizona to Texas and Oklahoma schools.

Stop the fantasy. Absolutely nothing in the article mentions schools being transformed into a 4-year and joining NAIA.

This is only talks and speculations what is going to happen to the 3 Arizona JC football schools. My friends who lives in the area of Yuma and mainly in Parker with a AW campus in Parker have been talking for awhile what they heard about Arizona Western be turning into a 4 year college. These friends are my former classmates in elementary school in Parker. So, you are trying to tell me as a complete stranger that Arizona Western not going to 4 year, but my friends from Parker are saying that there are talks? I will take the words from my friends than over you any day.

The problem is that you linked an article that is about 4 JCs losing football but your post is about 2-year schools turning into 4-year schools and joining the NAIA based on friends' hearsay. There is just no connection from the link to the rest of the post. Oh, and I am also connected to Arizona since I have family there and I am an Arizona native.

My post was a speculative about those schools going to 4 year since you can't have three football schools in the JC level. There is nobody else to play since California's JCs do not play schools outside of the state. Arizona went to the JC football championship last year. What I am saying Yuma could be a strong city for it's size to go to a 4 year university. It gives a state with a large population another 4 year school for the residents. Could give the kids on the Colorado River another choice to go to school if they can't get into the three big universities in the state.

It's no use AZCATS. David doesn't live in reality and ignores facts, like Yuma already having by a 4 year college there

(05-19-2017 11:30 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  It's no use AZCATS. David doesn't live in reality and ignores facts, like Yuma already having by a 4 year college there

Let's ban him from this board. He makes ZERO sense in anything he says.

http://www.franklincounty-news.com/2017/...athletics/

Morthland College drops all Athletic programs.

NCCAA member Morthland just recently added football, and fairly new in sports just ended all the programs. It seems their AD and several coaches resign from the school.

http://www.wsiltv.com/story/35457298/mor...ic-program

If you BAN David St. the internet will crash.

(05-07-2017 12:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 11:55 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-07-2017 05:51 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-06-2017 10:14 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(05-01-2017 07:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Schools come and gone. I like to see Langston back into the SWAC again which they were the co-founders of. The founders of SWAC are all in the NAIA right now. None of the schools there now are not.

I do see some potentials for Oklahoma City U. rejoin the D1 ranks. They did not do bad at D1. The payouts for men's basketball in the tournaments are much more now than it was back in the 1970s and 80s when OKCU were D1. They might have been a potential MVC target today if they have stayed. I do see them as a better GAC member than Southern Nazarene or a NW Oklahoma State.

But with the NW Oklahoma State, Central Oklahoma and others to form an all Oklahoma conference in the future? Great American Conference is the goal for those schools? It would put them over 14 if you include Rogers State and Cameron without football and UAFS without football. It seems there is a hint that some of the Lonestar and GAC schools might be moving to D1. The likely targets could be Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Harding, Henderson State, Commerce, Kingsville, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State and maybe for a non-football schools like Rogers State (Tulsa area), Cameron (Lawton) and UAFS (Fort Smith) could be logical Summit League members. In the future, I think Oklahoma Baptist could be a target for a D1 conference invite.

Langston was not a SWAC co-founder, they joined 11 years later in 1931. Prairie View is a founder and still in the conference so not all founders are now NAIA.

Oklahoma City U will not be invited to the GAC since they are very noticeably missing one of the 7 required sports (football); although it would be nice to see them in the Heartland. A new OIC is not going to happen for many reasons. Southern Nazarene and Northwestern Oklahoma State have been good adds to the GAC in their now 3 and 2 years as full members. SNU already has multiple NCAA postseason appearances.

No Arkansas or Oklahoma D2 school is going D1. The Oklahoma schools are having to make cuts and obviously do not have the necessary funding to make a move that would result in no real financial benefit. Arkansas schools don't really have the funding either and there is also no real financial benefit to go along with a major lack of support since the state is already over-saturated with D1 schools.

(05-01-2017 08:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the GNAC wants football or members? I think the public schools in the Cascade Conference might be able to make a move. I read an news article that Southern Oregon made a new record for enrollment of over 8000 students enrolled at the same time for last fall. Southern Oregon, Eastern Oregon, Oregon Tech and Evergreen State College might be able to join the GNAC. GNAC is mainly made up of Oregon, Washington, one Canada and one Idaho school. Playing football at Western Oregon, Central Washington, and Vancouver could be cheaper. College of Idaho could step up there as well for a travel partner for Northwest Nazarene.

Oregon:
Eastern Oregon
Southern Oregon
Western Oregon
Oregon Tech - X
Concordia-Portland

Idaho:
College of Idaho
NW Nazarene
Lewis And Clark State - X

Alaska:
Alaska
Alaska-Anchorage

Washington:
Central Washington
Saint Martin's
Seattle Pacific
Western Washington
Evergreen State - X

Simon Fraser

Montana:
Montana State-Billings
Carroll College

Football affiliates:
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

Soccer:
Mary (North Dakota)


I could see the California public schools moving with the public schools in D2.

Cal.-Merced D2 over 7000 students in the fall of 2016. They are around the size of North Alabama that is moving to D1. - Not eligible: not enough sports
California Maritime D3 - Not eligible: not enough sports
Johnson and Wales-North Miami shows over 16,000 students, but that is all campuses combined. - With soon-to-be 2 JWU campuses in D3, likely no desire for D2
St. Thomas in Florida over 4000 might find a place in D2. They would be bigger than some D1 schools right now.
Southeastern might find a spot in D2.
College of Coastal Georgia, Georgia Gwinnett (close to 12,000 students in 2016) - Not eligible: not enough sports
Dalton State - Not eligible: no women's winter sport; also dropping 4 sports
Middle Georgia State
Roosevelt - non-football
Indiana Tech 9652 - non-football
Indiana U. East - non-football
Indiana U. Kokomo - non-football
Indiana U. Northwest - non-football
Indiana U. South Bend 8000 + - non-football
Indiana U. Southeast - non-football
LSU-Shreveport - Not eligible: not enough sports
Loyola-New Orleans
Lawrence Tech
Michigan-Dearborn over 9000 students. - non-football
Missouri Baptist
Bellevue - Not eligible: not enough sports
Northwestern Ohio - non-football
Shawnee State - non-football
Bethel, Tenn.
Houston-Victoria - Not eligible: not enough sports


Those are large enrollment that is actually more than severa; D2 and several D1 schools.

The GNAC does not need members, they need football members so scratch the non-football schools. The footprint of the Cascade/Frontier Conferences is very comparable to the GNAC (excluding Alaska).

Trimming the list to what is realistic. The Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio non-football schools chances are extremely slim with no non-football conferences in the area (Lawrence Tech is adding football). D2 requires 10 total sports with no less than 4 sports for one gender and each gender must be represented by 1 sport in the fall, winter, and spring seasons. Many factors contribute to decide the level a school competes at but enrollment does not determine the division and town population is definitely irrelevant.

Many of these schools I listed also showed that they could be adding sports. LAX have been added by many schools lately.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/news/local/...42554.html
UC-Merced pour more than a billion dollars into the community with their growth. They are making room for more students and staff. More sports could be added to help grow the economy more for the city. This school could be a possible D2 candidate in the future. I did not mean for the schools to be added today even though several of them could make the move.

http://www.kesq.com/sports/copper-mounta...s/87489333

Copper Mountain College propose adding athletics. Could be one of the schools that Teamvsn mentioned.

http://thegrowthblog.blogspot.com/

That website shows how many colleges and universities adding LAX.

Coastal Georgia College seems to have a future which means athletics as well.

http://www.ccga.edu/page.cfm?p=534&newsid=162

Read the last paragraph. It seems cryptic to me. Why go to the length of mentioning football as something about what the future of the school could be? It sounds like they want to be the next Kennesaw State.

http://www.ajc.com/news/local/yes-georgi...zbZjt0EVJ/

Georgia Gwinnett College could be adding more sports in the next several years. Even football have not been ruled out. Pretty good for a school that opened in 2005, and added sports in 2013-14 school year, and won 2 national titles in baseball. This is the school I could see move to D2 not too far in the future.

Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech are much better position to go to D1 than the other schools that they are with. I think Central Oklahoma is number 3 in the state of Oklahoma in population wise of students enrolled. They are in an area that they could schedule Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Tulsa. Might be a body bag games for a first few years, but they would get a bigger paycheck that is worth it. Plus, if you add Oral Roberts, Wichita State, Arkansas and Missouri State? They could be close competition as well. Plus the schools in the Dallas area would be okay as well.

I'm not going to take a chance on a school based on what they "MIGHT" do in the future, I'm only taking a chance on a school based on what they have today. When the school makes the additions to meet the qualifications then they can be put in place for consideration. Auburn-Montgomery was supposed to start women's volleyball in fall '16 but it did not happen. The addition of that sport is what helped them to be accepted by D2 so it's lucky that AUM had already met D2 requirements and not been accepted with only nine sports sponsored. Copper Mountain College is a 2-year school so they will not be a possibility for NCAA or NAIA since neither group accepts 2-year schools as members.

You can forget about Arkansas Tech in D1. Arkansas is to small of a state to have a 6th D1 team with 4 of them located on a short 120 mile drive. ATU gets good support; just not enough for D1. I want Tech to add sports to improve GAC competition but D1 would require up to 6 sports to be added to satisfy D1 and Title IX needs. I don't say this based on what I think, hearsay, or obscure and irrelevant articles; I can say this factually because I am a Wonder Boy and T Club member. I have also been a part of some conference membership discussions during the last 35 years. The state of Oklahoma has budget issues and there is no way Central Oklahoma could compete in D1 being completely shadowed by Oklahoma and Oklahoma State regardless of how many students UCO has.

I am an ATU grad myself. It is been talk about Tech to D1 since I went there. As it is, Tech is third in student population.

Arkansas
Arkansas State
Arkansas Tech
UCA

The other schools are further behind. UCA wanted Tech to go with them into the Southland which the Southland would have been happy to accept them. We already did play Southland schools in football and other sports. Tech could add these sports to go to D1.
Swimming and Diving
Womens soccer
Womens LAX
Mens LAX
Beach Volleyball
mens Bowling

These sports might work out.

Idaho is very small, but they do have 3 D1 schools and a 4th in D2.

As for UCO? Remember Northern Kentucky said they did not have the money and all that to go to D1, and they went to D1 when they got an invite. It would be possible if a right deal comes up for them to join the D1 rank. Both Arkansas Tech and UCO could join the Southland when they can.

DavidSt, you owe me rep for what I'm about to say.

I don't know how they managed to pull it off, but both ULM & Boise State were two year colleges at one time that managed to become four year colleges that went to the NCAA and are now D1. I do not know how they pulled it off, but they did. Ask any Louisiana Tech fan about ULM or any Idaho fan about Boise State and both groups of fans will tell you that both were two year colleges at one point.

Also, nobody gave UAB or Troy a chance to survive in the college football landscape of state of Alabama which is dominated by 'Bama & Auburn. But, Troy has thrived, and UAB is coming back from the dead, despite its own president trying to kill the team. South Alabama even joined the party!! UCO can look at Troy & UAB and, think, hmm, maybe it might have a shot after all.

That said, I don't know what to say about Arkansas Tech.