(04-20-2017 04:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I see Arkansas State and Georgia Southern in the C-USA as 16 teams. Georgia State is too green in football, and C-USA already have 3 schools that are newer in football already in Old Dominion, UTSA and Charlotte. Only two of them shows signs that they could compete with the big boys.

For the Sun Belt Conference? They will balk at the idea of Liberty and New Mexico State. If I were SBC? I would approach Missouri State and James Madison again. I do think Missouri State will accept the invite today which could kill MVC even more, and if James Madison still refuses waiting for a C-USA invite? I would go with Eastern Kentucky or check with Chattanooga again.

It has been stated a thousand times already that Georgia Southern and Appalachian State would not like to be separated. James Madison has burnt to many SBC bridges, Missouri State has the best shot of the others. Why spend $4 million to go to a conference that makes less money than where stAte and GS are now?

(04-20-2017 04:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I see Arkansas State and Georgia Southern in the C-USA as 16 teams. Georgia State is too green in football, and C-USA already have 3 schools that are newer in football already in Old Dominion, UTSA and Charlotte. Only two of them shows signs that they could compete with the big boys.

For the Sun Belt Conference? They will balk at the idea of Liberty and New Mexico State. If I were SBC? I would approach Missouri State and James Madison again. I do think Missouri State will accept the invite today which could kill MVC even more, and if James Madison still refuses waiting for a C-USA invite? I would go with Eastern Kentucky or check with Chattanooga again.

I can see where Texas State and Georgia State would feel compelled to move to CUSA. Texas State to be with its Texas brothers and GSU to be with Charlotte, ODU, UAB.

Then in addition have NMSU move to CUSA West and UMass to CUSA East. That would boost both divisions back to 9.

SBC then could stay at 8/10 split or bring in EKU/Liberty who would both do it in a heartbeat.

For JMU I'm afraid the ship to FBS has sailed.

What would happen if every SBC school absolutely refused to merge with CUSA, would we be kicked out of the G5?

(04-20-2017 09:46 PM)southernwolf Wrote:  What would happen if every SBC school absolutely refused toe merge with CUSA, would we be kicked out of the G5?

The gravitational pull of CUSA's travel costs will compel the Sun Belt schools to solve the CUSA schools' problems for them.

(04-20-2017 09:46 PM)southernwolf Wrote:  What would happen if every SBC school absolutely refused to merge with CUSA, would we be kicked out of the G5?

I have to say that I see absolutely no reason, at least financial reason, for any SBC school to leave for C-USA. The only possible reason would be for a preferred association such as Texas St wanting to be with the 4 Texas schools in C-USA. NMSU would join because they are about to be homeless for football. CC might prefer being with Charlotte and ODU but I certainly don't know that for sure. The rest I doubt have any interest or reason to move. And from the C-USA point of view, I can't imagine wanting to have more than the current 14.

well lets do the math, one for them doubling, and one for dividing in half.
0 times 2=0
0 divided by 2 =0

CUSA East and CUSA West divisions are not actually that bad, outside of UAB's desire to be in the east.

The problem is there is a huge gap of geography between the two that when the play against each other it looks dumb. Combine that with the fact that virtually the entire Sunbelt conference falls geographically in between CUSA East and CUSA West, it is easy to understand why the reorganization threads pop up. If you are a Texas school, why is your interdivisional matchup a school in West Virginia when it could be a school in Alabama with some minor cooperation.

(04-21-2017 12:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  CUSA East and CUSA West divisions are not actually that bad, outside of UAB's desire to be in the east.

Could've worked without the F_U's:

East
ODU
UNCC
UAB
MTSU
WKU
Marshall

West
UTEP
UTSA
UNT
Rice
LT
USM

If that were C-USA's lineup, nobody would be talking about mergers/etc.

(04-21-2017 02:14 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 12:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  CUSA East and CUSA West divisions are not actually that bad, outside of UAB's desire to be in the east.

Could've worked without the F_U's:

East
ODU
UNCC
UAB
MTSU
WKU
Marshall

West
UTEP
UTSA
UNT
Rice
LT
USM

If that were C-USA's lineup, nobody would be talking about mergers/etc.

You're looking at this from a purely football perspective while the merger is about Olympic sports. Unless you play all sports within the division (which you can't) ODU, Marshall, UNCC still have to send a bunch of teams to UTEP, UTSA, Rice, N Texas ect. Those are the budget killers.

(04-21-2017 03:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  You're looking at this from a purely football perspective while the merger is about Olympic sports. Unless you play all sports within the division (which you can't) ODU, Maarshall, UNCC still have to send a bunch of teams to UTEP, UTSA, Rice, N Texas ect. Those are the budget killers.

CUSA should play intra division round robin as much as possible for non revenue sports to minimize interdivisonal travel

Yes--we should.Dummies in charge at the top.

I think there is a rule that 8 schools had to play like 7 to 8 years together for so many years. Now, lets take a look how you could create 3 conferences from C-USA, Sun Belt and FCS callups.

Texas State Southland WAC
UTEP could go to MWC WAC Border
Rice SWC WAC
UTSA WAC Southland ASun
UTA Southland WAC
North Texas MVC Sun Belt MVC Southland Big West
Arkansas State Big West Southland
La. Tech Big West WAC Sun Belt Southland
La.-Lafayette Southland Big West
La.-Monroe Southland ASun
ARMY C-USA Patriot
North Dakota, Northern Colorado, former affiliate in C-USA
UMass. CAA
Charlotte CAA, A-10
Holy Cross Independent Patriot
Idaho Big Sky, PAC 12, WAC
Illinois State MVC
Indiana State MVC
Middle Tennessee State OVC, Sun Belt
Akron OVC MAC
New Mexico State Border WAC MVC
Northern Illinois Big West
Richmond CAA Yankee Southern
Southern Mississippi CUSA
Tennessee State Independent OVC
Troy Sun Belt Gulf South Conference Southland ASun
UAB CUSA Sun Belt
Villanova Independent CAA
Western Kentucky MVFC Sun Belt OVC
Wichita State MVC
William and Mary CAA Yankee
West Texas A&M Border MVC
Denver RMAC Summit WAC Sun Belt
Jacksonville A-Sun Sun Belt
Lamar Sun Belt Southland
New Orleans Sun Belt Southland
Old Dominion Sun Belt CAA
UTRGV Sun Belt Southland WAC ASun
VCU Sun Belt CAA A-10
Armstrong State now merging with Georgia Southern Big South
Augusta U. Big South
Birmingham Southern Big South
Coastal Carolina Big South
Davidson Southern A-10 Big South
Elon Big South Southern CAA
Maryland-B. C. Big South American East
North Carolina-Greensboro Big South Southern
Towson Big South CAA
VMI Big South Southern
George Mason CAA A10
James Madison CAA Yankee
American CAA Patriot
UNC-Wilmington CAA
Delaware CAA Yankee
Hofstra CAA
Georgia State CAA ASun
Northeaster CAA
Maine CAA
New Hampshire CAA
URI CAA
Albany CAA
Stony Brook CAA Northeast Big South
College of Charleston CAA Southern ASun
Abilene Christian Southland X2 Was a member before dropping to D2 and then rejoin.)
Austin Peay State OVC
Bucknell Patriot
Colgate Independent Patriot
East Tennessee State Independent OVC Southern ASun
FIU Sun Belt ASun
FAU Sun Belt ASun
Fordham Liberty Football Conference Patriot
Georgetown MAAC Patriot Big East
Georgia Southern club football Southern Conference ASun
Holy Cross Independent Patriot
Lafayette Patriot
Lehigh Patriot
Liberty Big South
Nicholls State Southland ASun
Northwestern State LA. Southland
Samford OVC ASun
Southeastern LA. Southland ASun
Wofford Southern
Youngstown State MVFC OVC
Missouri State MVC MVFC
Northern Iowa MVC MVFC
Southern Illinois Independent MVC MVFC
Western Illinois MVFC
Columbus State former affiliate to OVC
Belmont A-sun OVC
Jacksonville State Gulf South Conference OVC ASun
Eastern Kentucky
Tennessee Tech
Evansville OVC
Marshall OVC Southern
Appalachian State Southern
Sewanee Southern
Washington and Lee Southern
Chattanooga Independent Southern
The Citadel Southern
Furman Southern
Mercer ASun Southern
Western Carolina Southern
Wofford Southern
Bellarmine affiliate to Southern
North Georgia affiliate to Southern
Oral Roberts Southland
Trinity Texas Southland (founding member)
McNeese State Independent Southland
Sam Houston State Southland
SFA Southland
Stetson ASun
OKCU ASun
Houston Baptist ASun Southland
Hardin-Simmons ASun
Centenary LA ASUN
Little Rock ASun
Northern Kentucky ASun
Drake MVC
Bradley MVC
Dallas Baptist affiliate to MVC
Detroit Mercy MVC
Grinnell MVC Big 8
Washburn MVC
Washington MO. MVC


Subtract MWC, AAC and schools in the P5 and Big East, you could actually create 3 conferences out of the two which includes FCS schools.

Youngstown State VS Marshall in all sports every year could be cool. We already know they beat Pittsburgh and almost beat them last year. They are ready to be FBS.

North Alabama, Jacksonville State and Troy all used to be rivals in Gulf South Conference. Have them play each other every year could renew that rivalry.

It is very interesting that Southland, Sun Belt, WAC, ASun. OVC and MVC all overlapped each other? Even Southern with them.

You may not like some of the choices, but fans of these schools might like to see old rivals that they have known for years to be with them.

(04-18-2017 07:11 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 10:41 PM)panama Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 12:29 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 08:03 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  That's the best you've got? That track didn't keep us from averaging over 26,000 the past 10 years. Paying to remove it has never been the issue, finding enough flat ground to relocte it was. However, in case you missed it that issue has been remedied and the next time you guys roll into Boone you won't have to look at it.

Moving right along...

Would be great if we get to split away fro m geniuses like you.

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Nothing of substance to stand on? Start hurling insults. Typical.

No seriously.. I hope end up in a conference far away from you...

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Hoping you get your wish!

Do you think folks from your marketing dept will be at the College Football HOF giving away tickets to our game again this year? If so I may just wait before I buy and save myself $20.

Depends on our record entering the game. Sorry but this isn't some one trick pony town with nothing to do. And by the way we tried for 5 years to get Levick to give away tickets UTSA. They deemed themselves above that.

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(04-20-2017 12:39 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 12:27 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 08:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 06:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(04-16-2017 02:28 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  You need to drop La Tech & JMU from any big attendance talk. If you're going on big attendance it's clear who is missing.

So Miss - 28,500
App State - 26,200
Marshall - 24,800
UTEP - 23,000
A State - 22,700
Troy - 22,500
Rice - 21 900
GA So - 20,800
La Tech - 20,400
JMU - 19,850

None of that is big attendance

This

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Says the guy from a school that can't get 10,000 to show up for a game.

You rang?

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Cool's in the house! Now it's a party.

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(04-20-2017 04:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I see Arkansas State and Georgia Southern in the C-USA as 16 teams. Georgia State is too green in football, and C-USA already have 3 schools that are newer in football already in Old Dominion, UTSA and Charlotte. Only two of them shows signs that they could compete with the big boys.

For the Sun Belt Conference? They will balk at the idea of Liberty and New Mexico State. If I were SBC? I would approach Missouri State and James Madison again. I do think Missouri State will accept the invite today which could kill MVC even more, and if James Madison still refuses waiting for a C-USA invite? I would go with Eastern Kentucky or check with Chattanooga again.

Already been to a bowl, beat GS twice and oh yeah $300M stadium renovation project.

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(04-20-2017 09:46 PM)southernwolf Wrote:  What would happen if every SBC school absolutely refused to merge with CUSA, would we be kicked out of the G5?

Fans refuse. Presidents don't.

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(04-20-2017 09:48 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 09:46 PM)southernwolf Wrote:  What would happen if every SBC school absolutely refused toe merge with CUSA, would we be kicked out of the G5?

The gravitational pull of CUSA's travel costs will compel the Sun Belt schools to solve the CUSA schools' problems for them.

The SBC has the same issues. App to Texas State is not insubstantial.

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(04-21-2017 03:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 02:14 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 12:32 PM)solohawks Wrote:  CUSA East and CUSA West divisions are not actually that bad, outside of UAB's desire to be in the east.

Could've worked without the F_U's:

East
ODU
UNCC
UAB
MTSU
WKU
Marshall

West
UTEP
UTSA
UNT
Rice
LT
USM

If that were C-USA's lineup, nobody would be talking about mergers/etc.

You're looking at this from a purely football perspective while the merger is about Olympic sports. Unless you play all sports within the division (which you can't) ODU, Marshall, UNCC still have to send a bunch of teams to UTEP, UTSA, Rice, N Texas ect. Those are the budget killers.

Exactly and App and Coastal sending teams to Dallas and San Marcos.

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(04-21-2017 08:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think there is a rule that 8 schools had to play like 7 to 8 years together for so many years. Now, lets take a look how you could create 3 conferences from C-USA, Sun Belt and FCS callups.

Texas State Southland WAC
UTEP could go to MWC WAC Border
Rice SWC WAC
UTSA WAC Southland ASun
UTA Southland WAC
North Texas MVC Sun Belt MVC Southland Big West
Arkansas State Big West Southland
La. Tech Big West WAC Sun Belt Southland
La.-Lafayette Southland Big West
La.-Monroe Southland ASun
ARMY C-USA Patriot
North Dakota, Northern Colorado, former affiliate in C-USA
UMass. CAA
Charlotte CAA, A-10
Holy Cross Independent Patriot
Idaho Big Sky, PAC 12, WAC
Illinois State MVC
Indiana State MVC
Middle Tennessee State OVC, Sun Belt
Akron OVC MAC
New Mexico State Border WAC MVC
Northern Illinois Big West
Richmond CAA Yankee Southern
Southern Mississippi CUSA
Tennessee State Independent OVC
Troy Sun Belt Gulf South Conference Southland ASun
UAB CUSA Sun Belt
Villanova Independent CAA
Western Kentucky MVFC Sun Belt OVC
Wichita State MVC
William and Mary CAA Yankee
West Texas A&M Border MVC
Denver RMAC Summit WAC Sun Belt
Jacksonville A-Sun Sun Belt
Lamar Sun Belt Southland
New Orleans Sun Belt Southland
Old Dominion Sun Belt CAA
UTRGV Sun Belt Southland WAC ASun
VCU Sun Belt CAA A-10
Armstrong State now merging with Georgia Southern Big South
Augusta U. Big South
Birmingham Southern Big South
Coastal Carolina Big South
Davidson Southern A-10 Big South
Elon Big South Southern CAA
Maryland-B. C. Big South American East
North Carolina-Greensboro Big South Southern
Towson Big South CAA
VMI Big South Southern
George Mason CAA A10
James Madison CAA Yankee
American CAA Patriot
UNC-Wilmington CAA
Delaware CAA Yankee
Hofstra CAA
Georgia State CAA ASun
Northeaster CAA
Maine CAA
New Hampshire CAA
URI CAA
Albany CAA
Stony Brook CAA Northeast Big South
College of Charleston CAA Southern ASun
Abilene Christian Southland X2 Was a member before dropping to D2 and then rejoin.)
Austin Peay State OVC
Bucknell Patriot
Colgate Independent Patriot
East Tennessee State Independent OVC Southern ASun
FIU Sun Belt ASun
FAU Sun Belt ASun
Fordham Liberty Football Conference Patriot
Georgetown MAAC Patriot Big East
Georgia Southern club football Southern Conference ASun
Holy Cross Independent Patriot
Lafayette Patriot
Lehigh Patriot
Liberty Big South
Nicholls State Southland ASun
Northwestern State LA. Southland
Samford OVC ASun
Southeastern LA. Southland ASun
Wofford Southern
Youngstown State MVFC OVC
Missouri State MVC MVFC
Northern Iowa MVC MVFC
Southern Illinois Independent MVC MVFC
Western Illinois MVFC
Columbus State former affiliate to OVC
Belmont A-sun OVC
Jacksonville State Gulf South Conference OVC ASun
Eastern Kentucky
Tennessee Tech
Evansville OVC
Marshall OVC Southern
Appalachian State Southern
Sewanee Southern
Washington and Lee Southern
Chattanooga Independent Southern
The Citadel Southern
Furman Southern
Mercer ASun Southern
Western Carolina Southern
Wofford Southern
Bellarmine affiliate to Southern
North Georgia affiliate to Southern
Oral Roberts Southland
Trinity Texas Southland (founding member)
McNeese State Independent Southland
Sam Houston State Southland
SFA Southland
Stetson ASun
OKCU ASun
Houston Baptist ASun Southland
Hardin-Simmons ASun
Centenary LA ASUN
Little Rock ASun
Northern Kentucky ASun
Drake MVC
Bradley MVC
Dallas Baptist affiliate to MVC
Detroit Mercy MVC
Grinnell MVC Big 8
Washburn MVC
Washington MO. MVC


Subtract MWC, AAC and schools in the P5 and Big East, you could actually create 3 conferences out of the two which includes FCS schools.

Youngstown State VS Marshall in all sports every year could be cool. We already know they beat Pittsburgh and almost beat them last year. They are ready to be FBS.

North Alabama, Jacksonville State and Troy all used to be rivals in Gulf South Conference. Have them play each other every year could renew that rivalry.

It is very interesting that Southland, Sun Belt, WAC, ASun. OVC and MVC all overlapped each other? Even Southern with them.

You may not like some of the choices, but fans of these schools might like to see old rivals that they have known for years to be with them.

Oh no. Not this again!

Time to self destruct this thread...

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(04-21-2017 08:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think there is a rule that 8 schools had to play like 7 to 8 years together for so many years. Now, lets take a look how you could create 3 conferences from C-USA, Sun Belt and FCS callups.

Texas State Southland WAC
UTEP could go to MWC WAC Border
Rice SWC WAC
UTSA WAC Southland ASun
UTA Southland WAC
North Texas MVC Sun Belt MVC Southland Big West
Arkansas State Big West Southland
La. Tech Big West WAC Sun Belt Southland
La.-Lafayette Southland Big West
La.-Monroe Southland ASun
ARMY C-USA Patriot
North Dakota, Northern Colorado, former affiliate in C-USA
UMass. CAA
Charlotte CAA, A-10
Holy Cross Independent Patriot
Idaho Big Sky, PAC 12, WAC
Illinois State MVC
Indiana State MVC
Middle Tennessee State OVC, Sun Belt
Akron OVC MAC
New Mexico State Border WAC MVC
Northern Illinois Big West
Richmond CAA Yankee Southern
Southern Mississippi CUSA
Tennessee State Independent OVC
Troy Sun Belt Gulf South Conference Southland ASun
UAB CUSA Sun Belt
Villanova Independent CAA
Western Kentucky MVFC Sun Belt OVC
Wichita State MVC
William and Mary CAA Yankee
West Texas A&M Border MVC
Denver RMAC Summit WAC Sun Belt
Jacksonville A-Sun Sun Belt
Lamar Sun Belt Southland
New Orleans Sun Belt Southland
Old Dominion Sun Belt CAA
UTRGV Sun Belt Southland WAC ASun
VCU Sun Belt CAA A-10
Armstrong State now merging with Georgia Southern Big South
Augusta U. Big South
Birmingham Southern Big South
Coastal Carolina Big South
Davidson Southern A-10 Big South
Elon Big South Southern CAA
Maryland-B. C. Big South American East
North Carolina-Greensboro Big South Southern
Towson Big South CAA
VMI Big South Southern
George Mason CAA A10
James Madison CAA Yankee
American CAA Patriot
UNC-Wilmington CAA
Delaware CAA Yankee
Hofstra CAA
Georgia State CAA ASun
Northeaster CAA
Maine CAA
New Hampshire CAA
URI CAA
Albany CAA
Stony Brook CAA Northeast Big South
College of Charleston CAA Southern ASun
Abilene Christian Southland X2 Was a member before dropping to D2 and then rejoin.)
Austin Peay State OVC
Bucknell Patriot
Colgate Independent Patriot
East Tennessee State Independent OVC Southern ASun
FIU Sun Belt ASun
FAU Sun Belt ASun
Fordham Liberty Football Conference Patriot
Georgetown MAAC Patriot Big East
Georgia Southern club football Southern Conference ASun
Holy Cross Independent Patriot
Lafayette Patriot
Lehigh Patriot
Liberty Big South
Nicholls State Southland ASun
Northwestern State LA. Southland
Samford OVC ASun
Southeastern LA. Southland ASun
Wofford Southern
Youngstown State MVFC OVC
Missouri State MVC MVFC
Northern Iowa MVC MVFC
Southern Illinois Independent MVC MVFC
Western Illinois MVFC
Columbus State former affiliate to OVC
Belmont A-sun OVC
Jacksonville State Gulf South Conference OVC ASun
Eastern Kentucky
Tennessee Tech
Evansville OVC
Marshall OVC Southern
Appalachian State Southern
Sewanee Southern
Washington and Lee Southern
Chattanooga Independent Southern
The Citadel Southern
Furman Southern
Mercer ASun Southern
Western Carolina Southern
Wofford Southern
Bellarmine affiliate to Southern
North Georgia affiliate to Southern
Oral Roberts Southland
Trinity Texas Southland (founding member)
McNeese State Independent Southland
Sam Houston State Southland
SFA Southland
Stetson ASun
OKCU ASun
Houston Baptist ASun Southland
Hardin-Simmons ASun
Centenary LA ASUN
Little Rock ASun
Northern Kentucky ASun
Drake MVC
Bradley MVC
Dallas Baptist affiliate to MVC
Detroit Mercy MVC
Grinnell MVC Big 8
Washburn MVC
Washington MO. MVC


Subtract MWC, AAC and schools in the P5 and Big East, you could actually create 3 conferences out of the two which includes FCS schools.

Youngstown State VS Marshall in all sports every year could be cool. We already know they beat Pittsburgh and almost beat them last year. They are ready to be FBS.

North Alabama, Jacksonville State and Troy all used to be rivals in Gulf South Conference. Have them play each other every year could renew that rivalry.

It is very interesting that Southland, Sun Belt, WAC, ASun. OVC and MVC all overlapped each other? Even Southern with them.

You may not like some of the choices, but fans of these schools might like to see old rivals that they have known for years to be with them.

^^^how come Mac and Friends got banned for putting up banners 1/10th as long as this? Just sayin...