(04-21-2017 08:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='Stugray2' pid='14272533' dateline='1492462017']
Five stand out

1 Texas vs Texas A&M
2 Nebraska vs Oklahoma
3 West Virginia vs. Pitt
4 Kansas vs Missouri
5 Pitt vs Penn State

I agree Notre Dame should play a B1G East opponent annually (Michigan, Michigan State mostly, but also Ohio State or Penn State now and again), but it doesn't really matter which, so long as it is one of them.

Don't care much about P5 vs G5 rivalries. Not going to worry about those, they are done. Just a couple stragglers left, and only one, Navy vs Notre Dame, has solid economic value.

Why? I didn't miss the Big Ten being off ND's schedule completely in 2015. It did not diminish anything in my world.

Why should ND play a Big Ten East team annually? Geography?
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The reason you don't care anything about the Big Ten , TerryD, is because you live in Baton Rouge. If ND played LSU and Alabama for a long time, and then had to stop playing them because of lack of available slots on the OOC schedule, I'm pretty sure you would care about that. BTW, I can guarantee you the SEC would treat ND the same way the Big Ten would about playing ooc games in September.

I didn't care for the Big Ten back when I lived in Western Pennsylvania for the first 26 years of my life, either.

I grew up with ND playing Michigan State and Purdue every year. Now that those games have been replaced? No big deal.

My attitude towards the Big Ten was the same back then as it is now.

As far as the SEC is concerned, I graduated from LSU law school in 1986.

I don't attend any SEC sporting events (no interest at all) and haven't for decades. So, no...if ND played LSU and Alabama and then didn't, no big deal to me. Replace them with someone else.

I am an ND fan. The opponents? Mostly fungible in my world except for Southern Cal, Stanford and Navy.

Other than those three? Mix and match the rest. Texas and Clemson instead of Michigan and Michigan State? What is the difference?

Eh - I think that you would have to admit that the Michigan - Notre Dame game is a pretty big deal for the average ND fan. It seems as though a lot of Michigan and ND fans try to dance around how "unimportant" that game is to them (mainly because their alums are effectively the public and private school versions of the exact same types of people), but the way that the reciprocal hate comes out (in a sports fan type of way) when they actually do play each other indicates otherwise. I know a lot of ND alums and the Michigan game isn't merely just a game against another high profile program (a la Texas, Alabama, etc.). It's the same thing with Michigan alums. There's true reciprocal hatred there... and true reciprocal hatred is what makes great college sports rivalries.

As for Michigan State, Purdue and other Big Ten schools (even the marquee ones like Ohio State and Penn State), sure, I'd buy that ND fans could take them or leave them. Michigan is definitely different, though. I've seen it with my own eyes. The "best" version of "Hail to the Victors" with replacement lyrics that I can't repeat here since the majority of those lyrics wouldn't pass the vulgar language filter was passed on to me by an ND alum friend of mine and it was apparently sung by Domers every time they played Michigan. They *definitely* cared much more about beating Michigan compared to basically any opponent outside of USC (and maybe even more so because there are a lot of geographic and employment locations where ND and Michigan alums live and/or sit side-by-side). That sounds like the textbook definition of a true rivalry to me.

(04-21-2017 08:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As far as the SEC is concerned, I graduated from LSU law school in 1986.

I don't attend any SEC sporting events (no interest at all) and haven't for decades.

This is the most bizarre thing to me. Where did you go for your undergrad?

And yeah, I know that you're actually Irish but to have ZERO feelings for LSU, a football powerhouse while LIVING in the deep south. Strange.

(04-21-2017 11:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 04:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 07:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  [quote='Stugray2' pid='14272533' dateline='1492462017']
Five stand out

1 Texas vs Texas A&M
2 Nebraska vs Oklahoma
3 West Virginia vs. Pitt
4 Kansas vs Missouri
5 Pitt vs Penn State

I agree Notre Dame should play a B1G East opponent annually (Michigan, Michigan State mostly, but also Ohio State or Penn State now and again), but it doesn't really matter which, so long as it is one of them.

Don't care much about P5 vs G5 rivalries. Not going to worry about those, they are done. Just a couple stragglers left, and only one, Navy vs Notre Dame, has solid economic value.

Why? I didn't miss the Big Ten being off ND's schedule completely in 2015. It did not diminish anything in my world.

Why should ND play a Big Ten East team annually? Geography?
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The reason you don't care anything about the Big Ten , TerryD, is because you live in Baton Rouge. If ND played LSU and Alabama for a long time, and then had to stop playing them because of lack of available slots on the OOC schedule, I'm pretty sure you would care about that. BTW, I can guarantee you the SEC would treat ND the same way the Big Ten would about playing ooc games in September.

I didn't care for the Big Ten back when I lived in Western Pennsylvania for the first 26 years of my life, either.

I grew up with ND playing Michigan State and Purdue every year. Now that those games have been replaced? No big deal.

My attitude towards the Big Ten was the same back then as it is now.

As far as the SEC is concerned, I graduated from LSU law school in 1986.

I don't attend any SEC sporting events (no interest at all) and haven't for decades. So, no...if ND played LSU and Alabama and then didn't, no big deal to me. Replace them with someone else.

I am an ND fan. The opponents? Mostly fungible in my world except for Southern Cal, Stanford and Navy.

Other than those three? Mix and match the rest. Texas and Clemson instead of Michigan and Michigan State? What is the difference?

Eh - I think that you would have to admit that the Michigan - Notre Dame game is a pretty big deal for the average ND fan. It seems as though a lot of Michigan and ND fans try to dance around how "unimportant" that game is to them (mainly because their alums are effectively the public and private school versions of the exact same types of people), but the way that the reciprocal hate comes out (in a sports fan type of way) when they actually do play each other indicates otherwise. I know a lot of ND alums and the Michigan game isn't merely just a game against another high profile program (a la Texas, Alabama, etc.). It's the same thing with Michigan alums. There's true reciprocal hatred there... and true reciprocal hatred is what makes great college sports rivalries.

As for Michigan State, Purdue and other Big Ten schools (even the marquee ones like Ohio State and Penn State), sure, I'd buy that ND fans could take them or leave them. Michigan is definitely different, though. I've seen it with my own eyes. The "best" version of "Hail to the Victors" with replacement lyrics that I can't repeat here since the majority of those lyrics wouldn't pass the vulgar language filter was passed on to me by an ND alum friend of mine and it was apparently sung by Domers every time they played Michigan. They *definitely* cared much more about beating Michigan compared to basically any opponent outside of USC (and maybe even more so because there are a lot of geographic and employment locations where ND and Michigan alums live and/or sit side-by-side). That sounds like the textbook definition of a true rivalry to me.

From my birth to past my 21st birthday, Michigan and ND did not play a single football game against each other.

I enjoyed following ND sports during that time without a thought about playing Michigan.

Since 1978, it has been a big game against a blue blood program to me, nothing more.

Maybe that series meant more to others than to me. I don't like Michigan but don't miss them.

If ND and Michigan never played again, I would not ever really mind at all. I wouldn't actually even think about it.

Texas, FSU, Clemson, Oklahoma...those teams have played ND the past few years and have been suitable substitutes for Big Ten foes.

(04-21-2017 11:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As far as the SEC is concerned, I graduated from LSU law school in 1986.

I don't attend any SEC sporting events (no interest at all) and haven't for decades.

This is the most bizarre thing to me. Where did you go for your undergrad?

And yeah, I know that you're actually Irish but to have ZERO feelings for LSU, a football powerhouse while LIVING in the deep south. Strange.

Zero rooting interest for LSU. None. My feelings for LSU are all entirely negative.

I live eight miles from LSU's campus, but never go to any LSU sporting events.

I am a serious non-fan of the SEC. So, I have no interest in following SEC athletics, at all.

My two sons graduated from LSU's School of Engineering. Neither are LSU fans.

(04-21-2017 11:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As far as the SEC is concerned, I graduated from LSU law school in 1986.

I don't attend any SEC sporting events (no interest at all) and haven't for decades.

This is the most bizarre thing to me. Where did you go for your undergrad?

And yeah, I know that you're actually Irish but to have ZERO feelings for LSU, a football powerhouse while LIVING in the deep south. Strange.

Zero rooting interest for LSU. None. My feelings for LSU are all entirely negative.
I live eight miles from LSU's campus, but never go to any LSU sporting events.
I am a serious non-fan of the SEC. So, I have no interest in following SEC athletics, at all.

My two sons graduated from LSU's School of Engineering. Neither are LSU fans.

But why though? Why are your feelings "entirely negative"? Why go to school there if you feel that way? Hell, why live there?

I'm just trying to understand. I grew up an NCSU fan. Many family members were alumni, boosters, season ticket holders, etc. I can't tell you how many NCSU events I attended. I dropped them like a bad habit.

OK thanks for the feedback. I grew up in a Columbus burb, so my perspective is probably off on that one

My revived list.

1 Texas vs Texas A&M
2 Nebraska vs Oklahoma
3 West Virginia vs. Pitt
4 Kansas vs Missouri
5 Notre Dame vs Michigan
6 Pitt vs Penn State (this may be the weakest of the list since so much time has passed since PSU joined the B1G)

The only other one I think worthy of consideration is Utah vs BYU, but unless Utah and the P12 decide it's worthwhile to play that game in November (like Notre Dame's annual visits to Stanford/USC in November) that series has lost it's value. In general I wish the B12, B1G and P12 would allow all it's schools to play a November OOC to add a high value rivalry. The leagues that do allow that (and Stanford/USC vs ND exception in the P12) effectively gain an extra Conference game

I kind of wonder also about Maryland. Did they have a big rival in the ACC, like maybe Virginia?

(04-21-2017 12:14 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As far as the SEC is concerned, I graduated from LSU law school in 1986.

I don't attend any SEC sporting events (no interest at all) and haven't for decades.

This is the most bizarre thing to me. Where did you go for your undergrad?

And yeah, I know that you're actually Irish but to have ZERO feelings for LSU, a football powerhouse while LIVING in the deep south. Strange.

Zero rooting interest for LSU. None. My feelings for LSU are all entirely negative.
I live eight miles from LSU's campus, but never go to any LSU sporting events.
I am a serious non-fan of the SEC. So, I have no interest in following SEC athletics, at all.

My two sons graduated from LSU's School of Engineering. Neither are LSU fans.

But why though? Why are your feelings "entirely negative"? Why go to school there if you feel that way? Hell, why live there?

I'm just trying to understand. I grew up an NCSU fan. Many family members were alumni, boosters, season ticket holders, etc. I can't tell you how many NCSU events I attended. I dropped them like a bad habit.

I didn't like attending LSU Law School. They had a 50% attrition rate (designed that way, on purpose) when I attended. They intentionally went out of their way to make life hell for law students. They did not hide how much they enjoyed it.

So, dislike for LSU began while I was a student.

Now, that all has allegedly changed. But as I told the chancellor when he spoke at my law firm about the horribly low law grad donation rate (the last figure I saw for my graduating class was only 1% donated, I never have), those changes came thirty years too late as far as I was concerned.

So, being a law school alumnus never engendered any loyalty towards LSU for me. Quite the opposite, in fact.

The only time I return there is for a Recent Developments Continuing Legal Education Class each September so I can meet the Supreme Court requirements to keep my law license. I avoid the place otherwise.

As far as LSU athletics, the fans entirely turned me off. I came here with the idea that LSU would be my "second team".

That lasted for two games into the 1983 football season. The constant "we are the best at everything, you never saw real football until you came here. We have the best fight song, stadium, fans, band, etc" was too much.

I witnessed much poor LSU fan behavior against opposing fans as well.

Thirty four years of being in Baton Rouge surrounded by Tiger fans have just cemented my dislike for LSU further. The culture is not for me.

I live in Baton Rouge only because that is where I got a job, raised kids, made partner, etc... I have no affection for the place.

This is just where I ended up because of cheap law school tuition and a job after graduation. I had never been here before my first day of class at LSU Law School, so I had no feelings one way or another for Baton Rouge or Louisiana.

Maybe if I had been born/raised here or grew up an LSU fan, I might feel differently. But, that was not my experience.

UConn vs Rutgers

Syracuse vs. Rutgers

(04-21-2017 12:45 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 12:14 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 08:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  As far as the SEC is concerned, I graduated from LSU law school in 1986.

I don't attend any SEC sporting events (no interest at all) and haven't for decades.

This is the most bizarre thing to me. Where did you go for your undergrad?

And yeah, I know that you're actually Irish but to have ZERO feelings for LSU, a football powerhouse while LIVING in the deep south. Strange.

Zero rooting interest for LSU. None. My feelings for LSU are all entirely negative.
I live eight miles from LSU's campus, but never go to any LSU sporting events.
I am a serious non-fan of the SEC. So, I have no interest in following SEC athletics, at all.

My two sons graduated from LSU's School of Engineering. Neither are LSU fans.

But why though? Why are your feelings "entirely negative"? Why go to school there if you feel that way? Hell, why live there?

I'm just trying to understand. I grew up an NCSU fan. Many family members were alumni, boosters, season ticket holders, etc. I can't tell you how many NCSU events I attended. I dropped them like a bad habit.

I didn't like attending LSU Law School. They had a 50% attrition rate (designed that way, on purpose) when I attended. They intentionally went out of their way to make life hell for law students. They did not hide how much they enjoyed it.

So, dislike for LSU began while I was a student.

Now, that all has allegedly changed. But as I told the chancellor when he spoke at my law firm about the horribly low law grad donation rate (the last figure I saw for my graduating class was only 1% donated, I never have), those changes came thirty years too late as far as I was concerned.

So, being a law school alumnus never engendered any loyalty towards LSU for me. Quite the opposite, in fact.

The only time I return there is for a Recent Developments Continuing Legal Education Class each September so I can meet the Supreme Court requirements to keep my law license. I avoid the place otherwise.

As far as LSU athletics, the fans entirely turned me off. I came here with the idea that LSU would be my "second team".

That lasted for two games into the 1983 football season. The constant "we are the best at everything, you never saw real football until you came here. We have the best fight song, stadium, fans, band, etc" was too much.

I witnessed much poor LSU fan behavior against opposing fans as well.

Thirty four years of being in Baton Rouge surrounded by Tiger fans have just cemented my dislike for LSU further. The culture is not for me.

I live in Baton Rouge only because that is where I got a job, raised kids, made partner, etc... I have no affection for the place.

This is just where I ended up because of cheap law school tuition and a job after graduation. I had never been here before my first day of class at LSU Law School, so I had no feelings one way or another for Baton Rouge or Louisiana.

Interesting. Means to an ends so to speak. Thanks. That's kind of how I ended up at ECU. More of my classes transferred there than to NCSU but I took a liking to the football and "underdog" culture there.

(04-21-2017 12:54 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  UConn vs Rutgers

Syracuse vs. Rutgers

Only real "rival" we had in the Big East days was UConn (in football). I'd be happy to see it on the calendar periodically, but it really can't go on every year since we only have 3 OOC games, and I would still like to play the other Big East/Lambert schools at least once in a while.

I'm happy that the Temple series was scheduled. I'd like to see a series against Cincinnati scheduled too.

(04-21-2017 01:04 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 12:45 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 12:14 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:58 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-21-2017 11:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  This is the most bizarre thing to me. Where did you go for your undergrad?

And yeah, I know that you're actually Irish but to have ZERO feelings for LSU, a football powerhouse while LIVING in the deep south. Strange.

Zero rooting interest for LSU. None. My feelings for LSU are all entirely negative.
I live eight miles from LSU's campus, but never go to any LSU sporting events.
I am a serious non-fan of the SEC. So, I have no interest in following SEC athletics, at all.

My two sons graduated from LSU's School of Engineering. Neither are LSU fans.

But why though? Why are your feelings "entirely negative"? Why go to school there if you feel that way? Hell, why live there?

I'm just trying to understand. I grew up an NCSU fan. Many family members were alumni, boosters, season ticket holders, etc. I can't tell you how many NCSU events I attended. I dropped them like a bad habit.

I didn't like attending LSU Law School. They had a 50% attrition rate (designed that way, on purpose) when I attended. They intentionally went out of their way to make life hell for law students. They did not hide how much they enjoyed it.

So, dislike for LSU began while I was a student.

Now, that all has allegedly changed. But as I told the chancellor when he spoke at my law firm about the horribly low law grad donation rate (the last figure I saw for my graduating class was only 1% donated, I never have), those changes came thirty years too late as far as I was concerned.

So, being a law school alumnus never engendered any loyalty towards LSU for me. Quite the opposite, in fact.

The only time I return there is for a Recent Developments Continuing Legal Education Class each September so I can meet the Supreme Court requirements to keep my law license. I avoid the place otherwise.

As far as LSU athletics, the fans entirely turned me off. I came here with the idea that LSU would be my "second team".

That lasted for two games into the 1983 football season. The constant "we are the best at everything, you never saw real football until you came here. We have the best fight song, stadium, fans, band, etc" was too much.

I witnessed much poor LSU fan behavior against opposing fans as well.

Thirty four years of being in Baton Rouge surrounded by Tiger fans have just cemented my dislike for LSU further. The culture is not for me.

I live in Baton Rouge only because that is where I got a job, raised kids, made partner, etc... I have no affection for the place.

This is just where I ended up because of cheap law school tuition and a job after graduation. I had never been here before my first day of class at LSU Law School, so I had no feelings one way or another for Baton Rouge or Louisiana.

Interesting. Means to an ends so to speak. Thanks. That's kind of how I ended up at ECU. More of my classes transferred there than to NCSU but I took a liking to the football and "underdog" culture there.

Me too. But I left with a great appreciation of ECU football and the campus and stadium and college football culture. It's legit. Small town college feel as opposed to a big city college that isn't the flagship of the state and its own students don't even support it.

UConn v WVU

ik we usually lost to them but, it was a lot of fun to play them

(04-18-2017 10:16 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 02:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 02:09 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 07:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 06:41 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  25 And 30 never happen, regularly anyways. Some shouldn't even be up there.

Hahahaha....UAB and Bamer is a heck of a football rivalry game! They've played at least once I think...

nope not once

It was Auburn that played them in 1996. 29-0 Auburn.

Well that settles it... add UCONN vs Auburn to the list.

Interesting a Syracuse homer would bring UConn up in Alabama football bickering right? Always on your mind right?

So with NSMOrange's influence I'll say Syracuse-UConn

(04-17-2017 04:09 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I'd watch that. Every year. And I don't watch a lot of college football that doesn't involve the Bearcats.

The Mike Bobinski Memorial Catharsis Bowl. Tell Paul Johnson to run the score up every year Bobinski is still AD at Purdue.

(04-21-2017 07:26 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 10:16 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 02:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-18-2017 02:09 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(04-17-2017 07:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Hahahaha....UAB and Bamer is a heck of a football rivalry game! They've played at least once I think...

nope not once

It was Auburn that played them in 1996. 29-0 Auburn.

Well that settles it... add UCONN vs Auburn to the list.

Interesting a Syracuse homer would bring UConn up in Alabama football bickering right? Always on your mind right?

So with NSMOrange's influence I'll say Syracuse-UConn

I think you already did say SU vs UConn. If it wasn't you, it was another UConn fan. In fact, if I remember correctly, my post was prompted by that post and a post from a Pitt poster mentioning that UConn fans are bent on creating rivalries w/ every northeastern team w a pulse. If I remember correctly, his post was 3-4 above mine.

So to answer your question directly, UConn is always on my mind while I'm reading about UConn. Context is everything.

EDIT: See posts #52, #53, and then my OP (#56).

Add

Southern Mississippi vs South Alabama
Alabama Birimingham vs South Alabama
Georgia State vs Kennesaw State

Memphis & Louisville

VT & Louisville

Clemson vs Georgia

I understand being an alumni not bringing loyalty. While I do actually root for the school I am an alumni of, very little of that has anything to do with any kind of school pride. I do get nostalgic going to campus still, but there is nothing about the institution I particularly feel loyalty too. Tuition about doubled by the time I graduated, the education program was set-up in a way that minimized classroom experience until grad school (which was the only way to go for a teaching license), and I have general belief that the college make-up in this country has been extremely detrimental to society (in the sense that we are pushing it for everyone so much of the value of it is lost and people are getting into debt they cannot handle for majors that do little for them).

With Ohio State sports though, rooting primarily to me is an outlet for state pride (there are other Ohio teams, but OSU has big fanbases through most the state). I also have enough fond memories of going to the events that they reinforce my love for it.

That said, I would never in a million years donate money to OSU (for reasons listed above). There would be a lot of other charities I would choose first in a hear beat.

(04-26-2017 03:05 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Add

Southern Mississippi vs South Alabama
Alabama Birimingham vs South Alabama
Georgia State vs Kennesaw State

Annual FBS vs FCS?

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