They need to add Football and the $40+ million investment that it entails to do it right. Otherwise, I'm not interested. Charles Koch is 81, and is the only person who could make their athletic program relevant.

(03-23-2017 11:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  they would join in 2018, not this June

Some reports have it as this year. And if they are coming in 2018, then it's totally useless, because if the WSU next year lives up to its hype, they would be a 2nd/3rd weekend team and that team will lose seven seniors, so that would be a perfect time for Marshall to boom outta there.

So, then in 2018, some slaw version, RPI/KenPom anchor WSU program joins.

(03-23-2017 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Whatever. Still short sighted. The same folks 10 years ago would have been salivating to have Southern Illinois join after consecutive seasons of 28, 24, 25, 27, 22, and 29 wins with 6 consecutive NCAA appearances including two S16's.

Since losing that momentum, SIU has gone 145-161.

The minute Marshall leaves...pfft.

We'll see. People forget that Turgeon was actually the one to get it going at WSU. Marshall carried it to the next level. With the Koch money, see if they can keep it relevant.

Doesn't really cost anything. Increases tv revenue. Rounds out the conference numbers. Big boost to RPI short term. Low risk of being an RPI drain long term.

(03-23-2017 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  they would join in 2018, not this June

Some reports have it as this year. And if they are coming in 2018, then it's totally useless, because if the WSU next year lives up to its hype, they would be a 2nd/3rd weekend team and that team will lose seven seniors, so that would be a perfect time for Marshall to boom outta there.

So, then in 2018, some slaw version, RPI/KenPom anchor WSU program joins.

Again, we'll see. Sounds like a lot of what was said last year when VanVleet and Baker were seniors.

(03-23-2017 01:10 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  they would join in 2018, not this June

Some reports have it as this year. And if they are coming in 2018, then it's totally useless, because if the WSU next year lives up to its hype, they would be a 2nd/3rd weekend team and that team will lose seven seniors, so that would be a perfect time for Marshall to boom outta there.

So, then in 2018, some slaw version, RPI/KenPom anchor WSU program joins.

Again, we'll see. Sounds like a lot of what was said last year when VanVleet and Baker were seniors.

I'm fine with adding Wichita. A rumor as to why in 2018 is that is when Navy officially become part of AAC "inventory" and both Navy and Wichita may give Aresco a little more bargaining leeway with a contract renegotiation.

But as Memphis has proven, the incorrect hire can put a program in a downward spiral that may not be entirely evident at first either.

(03-19-2017 08:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 03:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 01:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 11:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 11:12 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Three "top 30" recruiting classes. And 11th place in the SEC. How long does it take? What good does it do to keep getting "top recruits" if you're not winning with them? You slam the 3-star undervalued, team player approach because it takes 3-4 years to build. Keep making excuses for him, and slamming any excuses made for Tubby.

I simply pointed out the starting points for both coaches was completely different. One should take longer.

How long did it take Pastner to get to the postseason? How long before he secured a top notch class? How long before he got Memphis into the NCAA?

Seems inconsistent. You claim it's not that difficult. Grab a couple of these recruits off the internet. BAM! You're in the tourney. Recruiting is the key.

Well, he's recruited well - according to the interwebs. Good enough for not only a NCAA berth, but a first round win. Good enough to be top 4 in the SEC.

He's lost some guys. So? Isn't it his place to keep the roster full and competitive? Doesn't every team lose players?

Auburn is a tougher place than Memphis. Absolutely. But that only applies to getting recruits there. That's not the problem he's having though - right? He's getting the recruits. So, when you have the better players - why is Auburn tougher than Memphis?

You're a self-proclaimed smart guy. You have to see the double standard.

I'm not self proclaimed. Unlike you, I actually go out on limb and put out real thoughts with numbers behind it that can be checked later. Go look at my predictions about Nick Marshall, Damien, Shaq, Cleregot's ppg as a frosh. Look at my preseason prediction for the Tigers' record this year. Go look at how I predicted the Tiger players stats for this year. Hell, go the the Grindhouse and look at some of my Grizz posts.

I look at things through a neutral eye. Maybe that doesn't make me a "real" fan, but it gives the ability to be smarter, because I'm not tied down to a side.

You hate Pearl. That's cool. IDGAF either way about him now, but I am neutral enough to be able to look at what he came in with and what the status of the program is for him now.

These are undisputed facts:
The two years before Pearl came in, Auburn won a combined 23 games.

He had two returning players on his roster (from team that went back to back nine and 14 wins seasons) who averaged more than 3 ppg when he took over.

He went out immediately that spring and summer and got enough bodies to win more games than in the previous three years. Those quick fix guys contributed about 50% across the board of all important stats.

Bad for him, two of the guys were one-year grad transfers and another of the better players was a senior and that first team lost 67% of its scoring.

So he essentially started over in year two. He brought a good class in for year two but started mostly frosh, another grad transfer, and a judo senior.

They didn't do very well in year two but he landed an even better recruiting class for year 3.

He increased his win total from year 2 to 3 by seven games and his 18 wins were the second most by an Auburn team since the 2002-03 season.

Going into year four, their top three scorers return (all Freshman). They return 70% of its scoring, have a 5* recruit coming in, and also have a transfer coming in who averaged 20ppg.

Tubby came in to a school that had won 31, 22, 18, and 19 the previous four years. He didn't add players over the spring summer like many had hoped and the core that he inherited accounted for 91% of the scoring.

The recruiting class he has in so far is not even top 50 and chances are he is losing his best player, an All-Conference level player.

The tea leaves don't show much of an improvement at all for next year, even though the only two players he lost to graduation this past year accounted for a measly 5% of total points scored.

You can keep coming back and hurling unsourced replies. That's fine. But if you want to engage in a real discussion, try to use some real brain power and provide info as to WHY my assertions are either incorrect or misguided.

Later.

Dang, that's a lot of running right there. When you have to go to such lengths, it's pretty obvious to anyone paying attention.

Instead of the one line retorts why don't you give line-by-line counter points? Inject your own thoughts to the discussion beyond that you hate Pearl. We get it: You hate Pearl.

Now how about intelligent counter points.

It's weird that Turgeon was hired away after having one of his worse years at WSU that last one.

(03-19-2017 08:21 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-19-2017 07:57 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Marshall's wife is going viral right now

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using CSNbbs mobile app

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.c...33717.html

THATS the kind of fire ? and passion WE NEED!!
Looks like she can definitely open up a can of WHOOP AZZ

She would be a welcome sight..lol...and one who could teach her ways to more women.

(03-23-2017 01:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:31 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Whatever. Still short sighted. The same folks 10 years ago would have been salivating to have Southern Illinois join after consecutive seasons of 28, 24, 25, 27, 22, and 29 wins with 6 consecutive NCAA appearances including two S16's.

Since losing that momentum, SIU has gone 145-161.

The minute Marshall leaves...pfft.

We'll see. People forget that Turgeon was actually the one to get it going at WSU. Marshall carried it to the next level. With the Koch money, see if they can keep it relevant.

Doesn't really cost anything. Increases tv revenue. Rounds out the conference numbers. Big boost to RPI short term. Low risk of being an RPI drain long term.

I think that is fair. However, I don't see this this as a "no brainer" like some might.

(03-23-2017 01:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Instead of the one line retorts why don't you give line-by-line counter points? Inject your own thoughts to the discussion beyond that you hate Pearl. We get it: You hate Pearl.

Now how about intelligent counter points.

Calm down, Fido.

That is a rich retort right there, coming from you.

I have offered my detailed points plenty on the subject. Not going through it again to satisfy a few people. Most readers here don't care for the long-lined back-and-forth once it reaches a certain point. We have reached that point.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...uri-valley

(03-30-2017 10:16 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...uri-valley

beat me by about 30 minutes.

Put me down as a 'yes'. There is SOME history of us with Wichita State in terms of the Missouri Valley Conference. I think WSU saw how well things turned out for Creighton and thought 'this might not be a bad thing'.

A conference with UCONN (I know they were awful this year), UC, SMU, Wichita State and (if we get our act together) us is actually pretty darn good.

probably our best conference since the glory days of the 90's C-USA.

Plus Temple. Tulsa and Houston are right where they need to be performance wise to not be RPI anchors to the conference either. UCF had a good season. Hope they can build on that. USF and Tulane...well

(03-23-2017 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Of course, just as bad is they come back with Gregg next year (returning practically everyone) and skull drag us twice.

they would join in 2018, not this June

Some reports have it as this year. And if they are coming in 2018, then it's totally useless, because if the WSU next year lives up to its hype, they would be a 2nd/3rd weekend team and that team will lose seven seniors, so that would be a perfect time for Marshall to boom outta there.

So, then in 2018, some slaw version, RPI/KenPom anchor WSU program joins.

SOURCES: Wichita State in serious talks to join AAC. Could be as early as 2017-18 season. https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...uri-valley …

(03-31-2017 11:12 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 11:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 12:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Of course, just as bad is they come back with Gregg next year (returning practically everyone) and skull drag us twice.

they would join in 2018, not this June

Some reports have it as this year. And if they are coming in 2018, then it's totally useless, because if the WSU next year lives up to its hype, they would be a 2nd/3rd weekend team and that team will lose seven seniors, so that would be a perfect time for Marshall to boom outta there.

So, then in 2018, some slaw version, RPI/KenPom anchor WSU program joins.

SOURCES: Wichita State in serious talks to join AAC. Could be as early as 2017-18 season. https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...uri-valley …

"The biggest lingering detail remains when Wichita State would leave the Missouri Valley Conference to begin play in the AAC. Sources said there’s a strong chance that the Shockers could play in the AAC in the 2017-18 season, as both sides would prefer Wichita State avoiding playing a lame duck year in the Missouri Valley Conference."

"Valley officials are prepared for the move, as one told Sports Illustrated on Thursday night: “We understand that this is in the works and that it’s a strong possibility.”



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"The incentive would likely be for the American to move quickly."




"The incentive for the AAC to act now comes down to NCAA units, which are worth nearly $1.6 million for every NCAA game that a team plays in. If Wichita State’s stout team makes a deep run next season, the potential haul of units—which are shared by the conference—would make an expedited timeline look wise. Regular season college basketball moves the needle so little for television that Wichita State’s ultimate value for the AAC would likely resonate more in earning NCAA units than in potential television dollars. (The AAC’s television deal expires in 2020)."

Hell, the MVC teams probably want WSU the hell out of there for the 2017-18 season, as the Shocker will probably be Top 15 preseason and that would give the other schleps in the MVC a chance of making the tourney.

Witcha is the perfect fit for our conference. [1] Their president gets it. I hope the Kochs do as well. I hope they add football.

Quote:Potential changes in athletics are connected to the bigger picture of how WSU can help enrollment and Wichita’s economy.

From the start, Bardo talked about his desire to be associated with large, urban universities with research missions that are similar to WSU. He points to schools such as Cincinnati and Houston. The MVC is populated by four private schools and five other public schools, all of which are located in cities smaller than Wichita.

“This is about the positioning of the university,” he said. “If Wichita is going to be successful as a city as we continue to move into this world that none of us fully have grips on yet, the university has to be at the center of what happens in the city. Which means we have to have a reputation and an ability to deliver that causes the city to be perceived as having value.”

[1] - http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...89902.html

(03-31-2017 02:57 PM)FlyingTiger2016 Wrote:  Witcha is the perfect fit for our conference. [1] Their president gets it. I hope the Kochs do as well. I hope they add football.

Quote:Potential changes in athletics are connected to the bigger picture of how WSU can help enrollment and Wichita’s economy.

From the start, Bardo talked about his desire to be associated with large, urban universities with research missions that are similar to WSU. He points to schools such as Cincinnati and Houston. The MVC is populated by four private schools and five other public schools, all of which are located in cities smaller than Wichita.

“This is about the positioning of the university,” he said. “If Wichita is going to be successful as a city as we continue to move into this world that none of us fully have grips on yet, the university has to be at the center of what happens in the city. Which means we have to have a reputation and an ability to deliver that causes the city to be perceived as having value.”

[1] - http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...89902.html

They want to lose money ?