(02-17-2017 08:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:40 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  1: The B1G invites Missouri. Missouri, not bound by an SEC GoR immediately accepts

I have a counter-proposal: the Big 12 and/or the SEC can keep/take Missouri and Kansas, and the Big Ten will throw in Nebraska. Don't need em, don't want em.

Indiana goes to the West in football (win-win-win), and the Big Ten adds UConn to the East.

how is trading Nebraska for Indiana a win? maybe for Purdue it is, but you just made the BigTen West worse overall.

I don't know goofy, Nebraska and Mizzou are close to being a toss up. 10 years ago that would be insane to say, but Nebraska has slipped some while Mizzou has risen in profile.
Cheers!

(02-17-2017 01:31 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  AAC adds Rice, Air Force and Army

Deja vu....I could have sworn I replied to you saying this earlier today on another thread!

Cheers!

Jacksonville State applies for a waiver to become an FBS independent and moves up.

Shoot, why not:

Big XII realizes their colossal mistake, renegotiates with FOX (the only network that's been willing to work with them), and adds BYU, Cincinnati, UConn, and Houston.

AAC backfills with USM, Marshall, UAB, and either ODU or Louisiana Tech.

UConn to BE

(02-13-2017 02:45 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 11:55 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  So what happens West Virginia, Iowa State,Texas,Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor ?

Those schools wouldn't want to dissolve the conference, but I do think that Texas would then want an ACC-type deal for Olympic sports and football scheduling and leave the Big 12 - leaving WVU, ISU, TT, TCU and BU behind.

In that scenario, and under the Big 12 umbrella, I think those five schools add seven to get back to 12 and try and maintain a P5 conference.

New Big 12
Baylor
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Iowa State
Memphis
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF
USF
West Virginia

It is going to be close to this.

(02-17-2017 09:35 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-17-2017 08:31 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(02-14-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:40 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  1: The B1G invites Missouri. Missouri, not bound by an SEC GoR immediately accepts

I have a counter-proposal: the Big 12 and/or the SEC can keep/take Missouri and Kansas, and the Big Ten will throw in Nebraska. Don't need em, don't want em.

Indiana goes to the West in football (win-win-win), and the Big Ten adds UConn to the East.

how is trading Nebraska for Indiana a win? maybe for Purdue it is, but you just made the BigTen West worse overall.

I don't know goofy, Nebraska and Mizzou are close to being a toss up. 10 years ago that would be insane to say, but Nebraska has slipped some while Mizzou has risen in profile.
Cheers!

Nothing in Missouri has risen the last 10 years. Missouri is easily one of the most overrated AD's in the entire country and arguably the biggest underachiever AD in the country considering they are the only school in a highly populated state but somehow every surrounding school has been more successful, even Arkansas.

In Football you have to go back to 1945 to find an outright conference championship. They never once won the Big 8 or Big 12. Never played in a BCS game. Attendance dropped by something like 10k this season.
1945 Big Eight Chauncey Simpson 6-4 5-0
1960* Big Eight Dan Devine 11-0 7-0
1969† Big Eight Dan Devine 9-2 6-1
Conference Championships 15
† Denotes co-champions
* The 1960 Big Eight title was retroactively awarded after a loss to Kansas was reversed due to Kansas' use of a player who was later ruled to be ineligible.

In Basketball they have never even been to a final four. Haven't won a regular season title since 1994.

And as far as overall AD accomplishments here they are. 2 Ancient championships in obscure sports.
NCAA team championships[edit]
Missouri has won 2 NCAA team national championships.[26]

Men's (2)
Baseball (1): 1954
Indoor Track & Field (1): 1965

As you can see Missouri is one of those schools who isn't sh*((*), never was sh(^*^*, and never will be SH^$#$. But for some reason people see them as a legit program.

I won't be surprised if we beat them in football next year. That says a lot.

(02-18-2017 10:15 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I won't be surprised if we beat them in football next year. That says a lot.

So close last time.

September 19 11:00 a.m. Connecticut* No. 22 Faurot Field • Columbia, MO ESPN W 9–6 70,079

(02-18-2017 02:24 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Shoot, why not:

Big XII realizes their colossal mistake, renegotiates with FOX (the only network that's been willing to work with them), and adds BYU, Cincinnati, UConn, and Houston.

AAC backfills with USM, Marshall, UAB, and either ODU or Louisiana Tech.

I'm curious. You don't think the AAC would pick up Rice if they lost Houston? Or did you just forget about Rice?

If the AAC lost 3, I think they'd add Rice and stay at 10. Maybe add Wichita state as a non-football member.

Interesting tidbit I just noticed looking at Missouri's schedule the last few years. ESPN loves putting them on SECN. They are what Kansas and ISU are to LHN. LOL.

2016 = 9 games on SECN
2015 = 6 games on SECN
2014 = 5 Games on SECN

LOL, Only Missouri would have 9 games on a conference network in 1 season. That is inase and speaks volumes about the value of the content.

Well, when the team has won 5 and 4 games in successive years, there is not a lot of interest from the main ESPNs. Plus their schedule was largely unattractive other than UGA.

The only reason why they had two CBS games were because of the other teams involved.

(02-18-2017 10:22 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 02:24 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Shoot, why not:

Big XII realizes their colossal mistake, renegotiates with FOX (the only network that's been willing to work with them), and adds BYU, Cincinnati, UConn, and Houston.

AAC backfills with USM, Marshall, UAB, and either ODU or Louisiana Tech.

I'm curious. You don't think the AAC would pick up Rice if they lost Houston? Or did you just forget about Rice?

If the AAC lost 3, I think they'd add Rice and stay at 10. Maybe add Wichita state as a non-football member.

I didn't forget Rice. The AAC under that scenario is losing a ton of good football as well as good basketball. Rice would replace the market, but the only things they would give the AAC is great academics and great baseball, which is neither one of the two biggest $$ sports in collegiate athletics, plus why do you think that the championship game is a bad idea? While USM & Marshall don't bring great markets or great academics, they do bring in great football. UAB brings in a good market, great academics , and has replace some of the basketball lost. ODU brings another good market to the table, is a very well known basketball name, and has good academics- a significant upgrade over Rice which really just has a slightly bigger market and baseball better than ODU. I think that baseball is one of the AAC's last concerns.

Edit: I just realized I replaced three teams with four, so I can see adding Rice to get to 14. Louisiana Tech probably wouldn't get in under that scenario unless their basketball significantly improved.

I did forget C-USA though.

Arkansas State and Georgia Southern probably.

(02-19-2017 11:05 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:22 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 02:24 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Shoot, why not:

Big XII realizes their colossal mistake, renegotiates with FOX (the only network that's been willing to work with them), and adds BYU, Cincinnati, UConn, and Houston.

AAC backfills with USM, Marshall, UAB, and either ODU or Louisiana Tech.

I'm curious. You don't think the AAC would pick up Rice if they lost Houston? Or did you just forget about Rice?

If the AAC lost 3, I think they'd add Rice and stay at 10. Maybe add Wichita state as a non-football member.

I didn't forget Rice. The AAC under that scenario is losing a ton of good football as well as good basketball. Rice would replace the market, but the only things they would give the AAC is great academics and great baseball, which is neither one of the two biggest $$ sports in collegiate athletics, plus why do you think that the championship game is a bad idea? While USM & Marshall don't bring great markets or great academics, they do bring in great football. UAB brings in a good market, great academics , and has replace some of the basketball lost. ODU brings another good market to the table, is a very well known basketball name, and has good academics- a significant upgrade over Rice which really just has a slightly bigger market and baseball better than ODU. I think that baseball is one of the AAC's last concerns.

Edit: I just realized I replaced three teams with four, so I can see adding Rice to get to 14. Louisiana Tech probably wouldn't get in under that scenario unless their basketball significantly improved.

I did forget C-USA though.

Arkansas State and Georgia Southern probably.

I don't think a championship game is a bad idea. And if the ACC goes back to 12, I think the candidates would come from UAB, Marshall and USM since Army has made it clear they're not joining a conference and Air Force is happy with the MWC.

I think they stay at 10 because of the markets and academics. UAB has both but Marshall and USM have neither and we'll have to see how well UAB football rebounds from ending football briefly. If ESPN, or whoever has the AAC rights then, doesn't reduce the payout for lost teams then the ACC would stay at 9 and wait until the next contract to expand.

You're right that the AAC would lose good football brands and USM and Marshall bring good football brands but I don't think academically they fit with the remaining AAC schools. Rice has the biggest market and quality academics.

A ten team AAC would look like:
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ECU
Navy - football only
Memphis
Rice
SMU
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
UCF
USF

They'd still have decent football in ECU, Navy, Memphis has been good recently, SMU with Chad Morris I believe will be good some day, Temple has been good recently, UCF won a BCS bowl and USF won 11 games last year. They could play double round robin in basketball with 9 or with 10 if they added Wichita state.

That being said, I certainly see the merits of adding quality football schools and going back to 12 since you pointed out the advantages. The AAC could go either way. Stay at 10 or expand out to 12.

If CUSA lost 3, I think they'd only expand to 12 teams since the CFP playoff money per conference is capped at 12 schools. I think they'd add Georgia State for the Atlanta market. Georgia Southern has better football but I think the Atlanta market trumps that.

(02-19-2017 02:47 AM)sctvman Wrote:  Well, when the team has won 5 and 4 games in successive years, there is not a lot of interest from the main ESPNs. Plus their schedule was largely unattractive other than UGA.

The only reason why they had two CBS games were because of the other teams involved.

That's simply not a legitimate excuse for a lone p-5 school in a state with 6 million people and a member of the mighty SEC. 2014 was a great season and they were still on SECN 5 times.


I seriously doubt there is a p-5 school anywhere close to their appearances on a conference network and during a top 15 season with a division champ is absolutely amazing and speaks volumes about Missouri.

Even when they are good they are the Kansas or ISU of the SEC. HAving 9 games on a conference network is unheard of.

Does anyone know of a school who has had anywhere close to 9 appearances on a conference network in one season or 5 during a division championship season?

I think Missouri may be the school built for a conference network. LOL. Nobody realized it meant most of thier football games unless they play Bama, LSU, Florida, or Tennessee.

The Big Ten absorbs the Pac 12.

Or- The Big Ten absorbs the ACC.

(02-18-2017 10:28 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Interesting tidbit I just noticed looking at Missouri's schedule the last few years. ESPN loves putting them on SECN. They are what Kansas and ISU are to LHN. LOL.

2016 = 9 games on SECN
2015 = 6 games on SECN
2014 = 5 Games on SECN

LOL, Only Missouri would have 9 games on a conference network in 1 season. That is inase and speaks volumes about the value of the content.

They played 9 football games on the SEC network last year?? That sucks!! Dang, the years before the SEC network they were on ESPN or ABC almost every game.

Cheers!

Chess: the non traditional ACC to the B1G could happen.

(02-19-2017 10:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:28 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Interesting tidbit I just noticed looking at Missouri's schedule the last few years. ESPN loves putting them on SECN. They are what Kansas and ISU are to LHN. LOL.

2016 = 9 games on SECN
2015 = 6 games on SECN
2014 = 5 Games on SECN

LOL, Only Missouri would have 9 games on a conference network in 1 season. That is inase and speaks volumes about the value of the content.

They played 9 football games on the SEC network last year?? That sucks!! Dang, the years before the SEC network they were on ESPN or ABC almost every game.

Cheers!

They used to do a lot of PPV games back in the day and never shared a dime. They pioneered unequal revenue sharing then used it as an excuse to leave.

I'ts really bizarre how many games they are on SECN. Its' like they said OK we will take you since the B1G said no but you play in the Florida division and most of your games will be on SECN.

One of my favorite movie scenes is in The Outlaw Josey Wales as grandma goes into the general store and won't take the molasses becasue it's from Missouri. "Everything from Missouri has a taint about it"

LOL.

(02-19-2017 10:43 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 10:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 10:28 PM)p23570 Wrote:  Interesting tidbit I just noticed looking at Missouri's schedule the last few years. ESPN loves putting them on SECN. They are what Kansas and ISU are to LHN. LOL.

2016 = 9 games on SECN
2015 = 6 games on SECN
2014 = 5 Games on SECN

LOL, Only Missouri would have 9 games on a conference network in 1 season. That is inase and speaks volumes about the value of the content.

They played 9 football games on the SEC network last year?? That sucks!! Dang, the years before the SEC network they were on ESPN or ABC almost every game.

Cheers!

They used to do a lot of PPV games back in the day and never shared a dime. They pioneered unequal revenue sharing then used it as an excuse to leave.

I'ts really bizarre how many games they are on SECN. Its' like they said OK we will take you since the B1G said no but you play in the Florida division and most of your games will be on SECN.

One of my favorite movie scenes is in The Outlaw Josey Wales as grandma goes into the general store and won't take the molasses becasue it's from Missouri. "Everything from Missouri has a taint about it"

LOL.

Maybe they're having trouble getting full coverage of the SECN in Kansas City and St. Louis. So, they put all of Missouri's games on the SECN to try and force them to add it to their cable networks.