(02-15-2017 05:44 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  There is no incentive whatsoever for the ACC to expand. It is going to remain in its current configuration for the foreseeable future – probably through 2032 or beyond.

I sincerely feel for UConn. They are basically stuck between a rock and a hard place and I don't blame them for being desperate to change their current circumstance.

The problem for them is that their top two options – joining the ACC or the Big Ten – are not going to happen...at least not for the forseeable future.

From my perspective, public denials aside, this makes a lot of sense for them and maybe they can go independent in football?

Again, that's nowhere near as good as for membership in one of the power conferences and it doesn't do anyone any good to pretend otherwise. However, I think it is better than being marooned in a second tier league in all sports stuck with a bunch of teams that you don't really care about.

At least going to the Big East puts them in a league with teams that they have some history and tradition.

To me the question is can UConn football survive playing as an independent? Who is going to want to play Connecticut in football? What's the incentive there? If they can figure out how to bridge that divide, they should do this and the Big East should accept the Huskies with open arms. I'm just not sure they can pull it off?

I agree that the ACC isn't expanding anytime in the near future unless either of two incidents occur. Either Notre Dame decides they need to be in a conference to get into the CFP which isn't likely or some attractive candidates become available after the Big XII Bang in 8 years. Thats the only time before their contract is up they'd expand beyond 14.

Well, I agree with that too but neither of those two scenarios would likely bode well for Connecticut either.

Their best shot would've been Florida State or Clemson leaving for another conference and that just seems extremely unlikely at this point.


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(02-15-2017 06:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Well, I agree with that too but neither of those two scenarios would likely bode well for Connecticut either.

Their best shot would've been Florida State or Clemson leaving for another conference and that just seems extremely unlikely at this point.


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I agree with you there too. I wasn't suggesting they would get a call in either scenario. I think they are pretty much locked out of the P5. To me it's about pouring good money after bad money. What point do they cut their loses and try to claw back out of debt and pour their resources into their money maker which is BBall.

(02-15-2017 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  http://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/rothstei...expansion/

the big question will be what does UConn do with football?

Nothing, because they aren't going anywhere.

(02-15-2017 01:54 PM)fsquid Wrote:  bye

sucker

I'd love to have UConn in the Big East, but I really don't think they're going to flush their $100M football stadium down the toilet.

Heard UConn athletic budget was built with the old BigEast revenue stream and has not adjusted. Huge, huge deficit.

(02-15-2017 05:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 01:42 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  I find it very hard to believe that UConn would send its football team into the MAC. For all we know, this entire story about UConn into the Big East could be a bluff/attempt to encourage the ACC to take UConn for all sports or all sports except football (Similar to Notre Dame). As we review options for UConn, the question is what path will most likely get UConn into the ACC or B10.

Why would this rumor cause the ACC to do anything when the actual courtship of UConn by/to the Big 12 did not?

You and domer need to find something better to do then getting your entertainment by constantly sh*tting on UCONN. It's just sad.

(02-15-2017 05:27 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 05:23 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc...story.html

Benedict shoots down reports. Says UCONN is committed to the American.

We've heard this before though. I still think UCONN back to the Big East will ultimately happen

I still think you Louisville, Rutgers and Notre Dame fans need to stop pinning your hopes on UCONN's athletic suicide. They aren't going anywhere.

(02-15-2017 06:25 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 05:53 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 05:22 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 05:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Why would this rumor cause the ACC to do anything when the actual courtship of UConn by/to the Big 12 did not?

Because the B12 expansion process was a farce from the start. The new Big East also wants UConn and there is no competition -- from the limited news reports out there.

Also, maybe the ACC may be more open now to adding another member than last year.

Why would the ACC be more open to do anything? They had a great football year and basketball is amazing. Adding another big name bball school isn't needed now. The ACC if anything is more entrenched where they are.

The best time to make a change is when things are positive. Clemson won the national championship. Louisville player won the Heisman. The ACC football powers may be less anxious now about adding UConn that they were before.

Also, isn't an ACC TV network in the works? UConn would help that become lucrative, especially given that part of Connnecticut is part of the metro New York City market. Syracuse is located in another TV market.

Jeez man, get off your knees, show some pride. You're embarrassing yourself and your school. Snap out of it lol

That's rich coming from a fan of a school who's still on their knees begging the BIG 12 to reconsider.

(02-15-2017 06:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Well, I agree with that too but neither of those two scenarios would likely bode well for Connecticut either.

Their best shot would've been Florida State or Clemson leaving for another conference and that just seems extremely unlikely at this point.


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They're not now, nor have they ever been, serious about leaving the ACC. They had no intention of following through on their threat in 2012, and they have no intention of making empty threats now.

No, I agree with that. I never thought that was a serious threat because I understand how demographics work and I understood that there were A LOT more people living on the East Coast than in the Great Plains.

People used to try to diminish that point by saying that the people who live in the Great Plains are more passionate about college athletics but that's almost completely irrelevant to advertisers < networks < conferences.

I also knew that all of the revenue projections coming out of the Big 12 blogosphere were complete bullshitt.

Honestly, it was incredible that so many other people could not see through that obvious horseshitt.

It was a little bit scary how insanely gullible people showed themselves to be during that entire bizarre episode. Just further proof that people will always be more inclined to believe what they want to believe.

The tip off should have been that the University of Pittsburgh was invited to join both conferences just a year prior and chose the ACC.

You don't think Pitt crunched those numbers and talked to television consultants and executives?

You don't think they did a comprehensive study before making such an important decision?

Too many people ignored that very obvious fact.

My worry was that the Big Ten was going to take Florida State and Georgia Tech. That would've hurt the ACC in a very real way and for a while there I thought that was going to happen.

Needless to say, I am glad it worked out as it did.


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(02-15-2017 07:29 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 05:27 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 05:23 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc...story.html

Benedict shoots down reports. Says UCONN is committed to the American.

We've heard this before though. I still think UCONN back to the Big East will ultimately happen

I still think you Louisville, Rutgers and Notre Dame fans need to stop pinning your hopes on UCONN's athletic suicide. They aren't going anywhere.

Defensive aren't we?

This is the weirdest part about all of this: it is not a linear process. In other words, there's no such thing as the next school or schools in line. It is all entirely situational.

Let's just say that Florida State and Clemson were to leave the ACC for – pick a league.

There is no doubt in my mind that were that to happen, at least one of the replacements would be another Florida school (most likely Central Florida). They would need to do that for recruiting purposes.

I think that the ACC could've lost two teams and Connecticut probably still would not have gotten in.

I also feel the need to say that in my opinion the University of Connecticut is a Power 5 program. I think they get grossly undersold on message boards like this one and in the media as well.

UConn has a strong brand and a very loyal and affluent following. They could definitely compete in any major conference in the country if provided the opportunity.

I just don't see where that opportunity is going to come from in the current landscape? Things can and always do change so another avenue may open up for them at some point down the road? However, as things currently stand in February 2017 – I just don't see it at all.

That is why I think these rumors about Connecticut to the Big East or probably valid. If they're going to be stuck in a conference they don't want to be in for the long-haul, they probably should choose the one that their fans like the most/hate the least.


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Why couldn't UConn go independent in football? With BYU, UMass, Army and New Mexico State that's 4 games a year scheduled for you. 8 can be done fairly easily.

(02-15-2017 07:55 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Why couldn't UConn go independent in football? With BYU, UMass, Army and New Mexico State that's 4 games a year scheduled for you. 8 can be done fairly easily.

Yeah and they'll still get a few ACC games vs Cuse, Rutgers and BC too. They could do it, I'm sure it all depends on the giant living in their backyard (espn) giving them a BYU like football only contract.
Cheers!

It's not just about scheduling, it's about revenues as well. It's about TV contracts and bowl money and all the rest of it that sustains you in the tough times.

If they do make the move to the Big East, I think they are probably going to try to give football independence a shot. At the very least, that's part of this discussion.

However, that is a tough row to hoe for a school like Connecticut and I think they're going to have a difficult time lining up attractive opponents to play home and home series against them.

Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that they can get home and home series against BYU, Massachusetts and Army. I can't imagine they have any interest in playing New Mexico State.

However, filling those other nine games with opponents their fans would be interested in seeing would be a difficult proposition.


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(02-15-2017 07:49 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, I agree with that. I never thought that was a serious threat because I understand how demographics work and I understood that there were A LOT more people living on the East Coast than in the Great Plains.

People used to try to diminish that point by saying that the people who live in the Great Plains are more passionate about college athletics but that's almost completely irrelevant to advertisers < networks < conferences.

I also knew that all of the revenue projections coming out of the Big 12 blogosphere were complete bullshitt.

Honestly, it was incredible that so many other people could not see through that obvious horseshitt.

It was a little bit scary how insanely gullible people showed themselves to be during that entire bizarre episode. Just further proof that people will always be more inclined to believe what they want to believe.

The tip off should have been that the University of Pittsburgh was invited to join both conferences just a year prior and chose the ACC.

You don't think Pitt crunched those numbers and talked to television consultants and executives?

You don't think they did a comprehensive study before making such an important decision?

Too many people ignored that very obvious fact.

My worry was that the Big Ten was going to take Florida State and Georgia Tech. That would've hurt the ACC in a very real way and for a while there I thought that was going to happen.

Needless to say, I am glad it worked out as it did.


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Epic fail DR. Epic fail.


LOL. I"m guessing you like pretending to be a Dr on the internet.

Dr, here is a reason there are 6 power 5 schools in Iowa, Kansas, and Oklahoma combined and 6 in NY, MA, Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, New Jersey, , Pennsylvania, and Maryland combined. LOL

I'm nost sure DR but I think that means your comment about demographics is well, BS. IF those huge states with all thier wealth, population, "demographics" and tens of million of people can't even beat 3 plains states with 10 million in population combined what does that say about the passion of thier fans DR?

Iowa 3m
Kansas 3M
Oklahoma 4m
Combined 10 M people

Pennsylvania 13 m
NY 20 M
Rhode Island 1m
Vermont .5 m
Massachusetts 7m
Connecticut 3.5 m
New Jersey 9M
Delaware 1m
New Hampshire 1m
MAryland 6 m
MAine 1.
Total of 63 Million people

Anybody with a firing brain cell can see the difference in fan passion for schools in the plains versus the Northeast, heck PSU is the only real fan base in the entire region. Fan support in the Northeast is terrible. Go look at Cuse and BC attendance. For all the millions of people in the area none care. None go to games and none watch games. Those schools are rarely on national TV and when they are it's due to the opponent. Rutgers and Maryland are the same way. terrible fan support for the number of people in the area. Garbage fanbases and broke AD's, that is what you ahve in the northeast. All reacquire huge subsidy to operate becasue hey lack ticket sales, concessions, and donations to compete on thier own.

Dr, What fanbase in the Northeast would you say is better than Iowa, ISU, KU, KSU, OU, or OSU?

No charge for the lesson DR. Would you like to move into budgets and TV ratings next?

(02-15-2017 09:08 PM)p23570 Wrote:  

(02-15-2017 07:49 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  No, I agree with that. I never thought that was a serious threat because I understand how demographics work and I understood that there were A LOT more people living on the East Coast than in the Great Plains.

People used to try to diminish that point by saying that the people who live in the Great Plains are more passionate about college athletics but that's almost completely irrelevant to advertisers < networks < conferences.

I also knew that all of the revenue projections coming out of the Big 12 blogosphere were complete bullshitt.

Honestly, it was incredible that so many other people could not see through that obvious horseshitt.

It was a little bit scary how insanely gullible people showed themselves to be during that entire bizarre episode. Just further proof that people will always be more inclined to believe what they want to believe.

The tip off should have been that the University of Pittsburgh was invited to join both conferences just a year prior and chose the ACC.

You don't think Pitt crunched those numbers and talked to television consultants and executives?

You don't think they did a comprehensive study before making such an important decision?

Too many people ignored that very obvious fact.

My worry was that the Big Ten was going to take Florida State and Georgia Tech. That would've hurt the ACC in a very real way and for a while there I thought that was going to happen.

Needless to say, I am glad it worked out as it did.


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Epic fail DR. Epic fail.


LOL. I"m guessing you like pretending to be a Dr on the internet.

Dr, here is a reason there are 6 power 5 schools in Iowa, Kansas, and Oklahoma combined and 6 in NY, MA, Rhode Island, Vermont, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, New Jersey, , Pennsylvania, and Maryland combined. LOL

I'm nost sure DR but I think that means your comment about demographics is well, BS. IF those huge states with all thier wealth, population, "demographics" and tens of million of people can't even beat 3 plains states with 10 million in population combined what does that say about the passion of thier fans DR?

Iowa 3m
Kansas 3M
Oklahoma 4m
Combined 10 M people

Pennsylvania 13 m
NY 20 M
Rhode Island 1m
Vermont .5 m
Massachusetts 7m
Connecticut 3.5 m
New Jersey 9M
Delaware 1m
New Hampshire 1m
MAryland 6 m
MAine 1.
Total of 63 Million people

Anybody with a firing brain cell can see the difference in fan passion for schools in the plains versus the Northeast, heck PSU is the only real fan base in the entire region. Fan support in the Northeast is terrible. Go look at Cuse and BC attendance. For all the millions of people in the area none care. None go to games and none watch games. Those schools are rarely on national TV and when they are it's due to the opponent. Rutgers and Maryland are the same way. terrible fan support for the number of people in the area. Garbage fanbases and broke AD's, that is what you ahve in the northeast. All reacquire huge subsidy to operate becasue hey lack ticket sales, concessions, and donations to compete on thier own.

Dr, What fanbase in the Northeast would you say is better than Iowa, ISU, KU, KSU, OU, or OSU?

No charge for the lesson DR. Would you like to move into budgets and TV ratings next?

I agree with you on this. Sorry Dr, but what good are the New York demographics to Buffalo? I'd rather be the Cornhuskers in Nebraska with its 2 million than Syracuse or Buffalo in New York with its 20 million. If 100k show up to a football game in Lincoln your "demographics" logic would dictate that 10 times that would come to a game featuring a New York team right?
There's a lot of people in NYC; just not too many that are interested in watching the local college football game. I like it when East Coast NFL/NBA first fans educate us on college sports.
Cheers!

Is the prevailing thought that the Big East would add UConn and hold at 11? Would it make sense for them to add a 12th to balance things out, possibly a Dayton or St Louis?

If UConn is serious about a move like this I think they need to be consulting with Navy and Temple in order to try and revive the old system of northeastern football independents that function as a pseudo-conference. With UConn out of the AAC and UMass lacking the support for inclusion maybe Temple would prefer to go back to the A-10. If the A-10 needs a 16th maybe ODU would be interested in forgoing C-USA membership for A-10/FB Indy status.

The east coast football Indy alliance could consist of UMass, UConn, Temple, Army, Navy, ODU.