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RE: When do we start looking for a new coaching staff?
(09-14-2016 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 10:57 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I also want to add Whitcomb (1 of 4 coaches from Maine) in 8 season hasn't developed 1 QB yet. When I state developed I mean someone ODU recruited to ride the pine for a few seasons and play the position at QB when we graduate a QB. DeMarco fail in to his arms at the start of 2009 fall practice and TH started half way in his freshman season. Whitcomb has had 8 season to try to develop QBs but hasn't. Whitcombs over used quote with TH "we didnt want to fix anything that wasnt broke but there could be improvements" come on coach develop a backup in the meantime. I just dont understand how he profits off these QB camps but hasnt developed a QB for our program. He is just riding the success of TD and TH who he didnt have to develop.


This is absurd. I tried to put it mildly, but cannot come up with anything else.

Thomas DeMarco was a punter that schools had zero interest in playing him at QB except for Div 3 schools. The staff saw him play at College of the Desert and recruited him.

Taylor Heincke came in as a freshman midget weighing 150 pounds that hardly anyone wanted. How did he not develop under our staff? Do you think he was just as good as a freshman (when no one wanted him) as he was when he left (when the NFL wanted him)?

David Washington was a backup FCS QB (behind a star) that moved to WR and is now playing FBS football as a starting QB. How did he not develop? Could he have played as a freshman at the FBS level?

The book has not been written on the other possible QBs on our roster that are either Freshman or Sophomores.

Thomas DeMarco was a QB recruited to ODU. TD was at the College of the Desert passed for 1,792 yards with 14 passing touchdowns also rushed for eight touchdowns. DeMarco was recruited out of high school as a punter but left his D1 school in CA (SDSU) to go the junior college rout to be a QB.

Thomas DeMarco showed up on ODU campus in the summer of 2009 and beat out Cooper, Reamon and one other to be the QB. You call 4 weeks fall practice development?

Whitcomb put stock in to Blackman before he walked out a month before signing TH and Ong

TH was unknown and not expected to play as a freshman. How much time did Whitcomb put in to TH before UMass 2011? They had DeMarco and Ong. Whitcomb has stated he didnt want to change any of TH flaws in fear it would affect his play.

DW has moved positions around so much he hasn't had time to develop as a true QB.

Name a QB who has been developed and seceded at ODU? Most have walked

Development is bring in a guy and learning the system and waiting his turn. Not a player who shows up in fall practice weeks before the start of the season and is already a starter


Your premise that DeMarco, Washington, and Heinicke didn't develop at ODU is absurd. YOu think those guys were as good when they came in as when they left?

College of the Desert. A 2-year community college. Why are you posting stats from a community college?

Reading some more and trying to make some sense of what you are saying....are you saying QBs don't develop while they are playing games?
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RE: When do we start looking for a new coaching staff?
(09-14-2016 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 10:57 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I also want to add Whitcomb (1 of 4 coaches from Maine) in 8 season hasn't developed 1 QB yet. When I state developed I mean someone ODU recruited to ride the pine for a few seasons and play the position at QB when we graduate a QB. DeMarco fail in to his arms at the start of 2009 fall practice and TH started half way in his freshman season. Whitcomb has had 8 season to try to develop QBs but hasn't. Whitcombs over used quote with TH "we didnt want to fix anything that wasnt broke but there could be improvements" come on coach develop a backup in the meantime. I just dont understand how he profits off these QB camps but hasnt developed a QB for our program. He is just riding the success of TD and TH who he didnt have to develop.


This is absurd. I tried to put it mildly, but cannot come up with anything else.

Thomas DeMarco was a punter that schools had zero interest in playing him at QB except for Div 3 schools. The staff saw him play at College of the Desert and recruited him.

Taylor Heincke came in as a freshman midget weighing 150 pounds that hardly anyone wanted. How did he not develop under our staff? Do you think he was just as good as a freshman (when no one wanted him) as he was when he left (when the NFL wanted him)?

David Washington was a backup FCS QB (behind a star) that moved to WR and is now playing FBS football as a starting QB. How did he not develop? Could he have played as a freshman at the FBS level?

The book has not been written on the other possible QBs on our roster that are either Freshman or Sophomores.

Thomas DeMarco was a QB recruited to ODU. TD was at the College of the Desert passed for 1,792 yards with 14 passing touchdowns also rushed for eight touchdowns. DeMarco was recruited out of high school as a punter but left his D1 school in CA (SDSU) to go the junior college rout to be a QB.

Thomas DeMarco showed up on ODU campus in the summer of 2009 and beat out Cooper, Reamon and one other to be the QB. You call 4 weeks fall practice development?

Whitcomb put stock in to Blackman before he walked out a month before signing TH and Ong

TH was unknown and not expected to play as a freshman. How much time did Whitcomb put in to TH before UMass 2011? They had DeMarco and Ong. Whitcomb has stated he didnt want to change any of TH flaws in fear it would affect his play.

DW has moved positions around so much he hasn't had time to develop as a true QB.

Name a QB who has been developed and seceded at ODU? Most have walked

Development is bring in a guy and learning the system and waiting his turn. Not a player who shows up in fall practice weeks before the start of the season and is already a starter


Your premise that DeMarco, Washington, and Heinicke didn't develop at ODU is absurd. YOu think those guys were as good when they came in as when they left?

College of the Desert. A 2-year community college. Why are you posting stats from a community college?

Reading some more and trying to make some sense of what you are saying....are you saying QBs don't develop while they are playing games?

Whitcomb has had 8 years to develop a backup to take over once we graduate a starting QBs. He has had upward of 16 or more QBs to mold in 8 seasons. He has done well with two talented QBs to pass through our program but hasn't developed a player to be a future starter. 2008 He had 4 QBs to develop before we started playing. Reamon was a two star recruit (was over hyped maybe) but some FBS schools wanted him. DeMarco shows up on campus 2009 and becomes the starting QBs ahead of the other 4 QBs that Whitcomb had under his development for a year.

Its easy to coach a kid who as talent (TD and TH) but it takes a good coach to develop a player.

Whitcomb, Quarterback Coach 2008 to Present

2008
1.Tommy Reamon
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Fred Credle

2009
1.Thomas DeMarco
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Tommy Reamon

2010
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Dominique Blackman
3. Rashard Manley
4. Tommy Reamon moved to TE

2011
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Nate Ong
3. Tyler Clark
4. Taylor Heinicke

2012
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. David Washington
3. Colin McElroy

2013
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Shane McCarley
3. Colin McElroy
5. David Washington

2014
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Colin McElroy
3. *David Washington QB/WR
4. Shuler Bentley

2015
1. Shuler Bentley
2. Joey Verhaegh
3. Blake LaRussa
4. David Washington * Moved back to QB mid season.
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RE: When do we start looking for a new coaching staff?
(09-14-2016 12:58 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 10:57 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I also want to add Whitcomb (1 of 4 coaches from Maine) in 8 season hasn't developed 1 QB yet. When I state developed I mean someone ODU recruited to ride the pine for a few seasons and play the position at QB when we graduate a QB. DeMarco fail in to his arms at the start of 2009 fall practice and TH started half way in his freshman season. Whitcomb has had 8 season to try to develop QBs but hasn't. Whitcombs over used quote with TH "we didnt want to fix anything that wasnt broke but there could be improvements" come on coach develop a backup in the meantime. I just dont understand how he profits off these QB camps but hasnt developed a QB for our program. He is just riding the success of TD and TH who he didnt have to develop.


This is absurd. I tried to put it mildly, but cannot come up with anything else.

Thomas DeMarco was a punter that schools had zero interest in playing him at QB except for Div 3 schools. The staff saw him play at College of the Desert and recruited him.

Taylor Heincke came in as a freshman midget weighing 150 pounds that hardly anyone wanted. How did he not develop under our staff? Do you think he was just as good as a freshman (when no one wanted him) as he was when he left (when the NFL wanted him)?

David Washington was a backup FCS QB (behind a star) that moved to WR and is now playing FBS football as a starting QB. How did he not develop? Could he have played as a freshman at the FBS level?

The book has not been written on the other possible QBs on our roster that are either Freshman or Sophomores.

Thomas DeMarco was a QB recruited to ODU. TD was at the College of the Desert passed for 1,792 yards with 14 passing touchdowns also rushed for eight touchdowns. DeMarco was recruited out of high school as a punter but left his D1 school in CA (SDSU) to go the junior college rout to be a QB.

Thomas DeMarco showed up on ODU campus in the summer of 2009 and beat out Cooper, Reamon and one other to be the QB. You call 4 weeks fall practice development?

Whitcomb put stock in to Blackman before he walked out a month before signing TH and Ong

TH was unknown and not expected to play as a freshman. How much time did Whitcomb put in to TH before UMass 2011? They had DeMarco and Ong. Whitcomb has stated he didnt want to change any of TH flaws in fear it would affect his play.

DW has moved positions around so much he hasn't had time to develop as a true QB.

Name a QB who has been developed and seceded at ODU? Most have walked

Development is bring in a guy and learning the system and waiting his turn. Not a player who shows up in fall practice weeks before the start of the season and is already a starter


Your premise that DeMarco, Washington, and Heinicke didn't develop at ODU is absurd. YOu think those guys were as good when they came in as when they left?

College of the Desert. A 2-year community college. Why are you posting stats from a community college?

Reading some more and trying to make some sense of what you are saying....are you saying QBs don't develop while they are playing games?

Whitcomb has had 8 years to develop a backup to take over once we graduate a starting QBs. He has had upward of 16 or more QBs to mold in 8 seasons. He has done well with two talented QBs to pass through our program but hasn't developed a player to be a future starter. 2008 He had 4 QBs to develop before we started playing. Reamon was a two star recruit (was over hyped maybe) but some FBS schools wanted him. DeMarco shows up on campus 2009 and becomes the starting QBs ahead of the other 4 QBs that Whitcomb had under his development for a year.

Its easy to coach a kid who as talent (TD and TH) but it takes a good coach to develop a player.

Whitcomb, Quarterback Coach 2008 to Present

2008
1.Tommy Reamon
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Fred Credle

2009
1.Thomas DeMarco
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Tommy Reamon

2010
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Dominique Blackman
3. Rashard Manley
4. Tommy Reamon moved to TE

2011
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Nate Ong
3. Tyler Clark
4. Taylor Heinicke

2012
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. David Washington
3. Colin McElroy

2013
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Shane McCarley
3. Colin McElroy
5. David Washington

2014
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Colin McElroy
3. *David Washington QB/WR
4. Shuler Bentley

2015
1. Shuler Bentley
2. Joey Verhaegh
3. Blake LaRussa
4. David Washington * Moved back to QB mid season.


If Heinicke and DeMarco were super talented QBs, they would have gotten scholarships at the FBS level. They weren't. We've had 3 starting QBs in the program; all 3 performed pretty well. How good were the other guys? WHo knows, because we had great QB play and didn't need them.

Each one of those QBs were recruited for FCS or walk ons except Bentley. Despite this we have had stellar QB play. And each of the 3 guys started from being hardly looked at to playing well.

So basically, if a QB was good, it was because of natural talent and the bad QBs were bc Whitcomb didn't develop them?
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RE: When do we start looking for a new coaching staff?
(09-14-2016 01:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:58 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  This is absurd. I tried to put it mildly, but cannot come up with anything else.

Thomas DeMarco was a punter that schools had zero interest in playing him at QB except for Div 3 schools. The staff saw him play at College of the Desert and recruited him.

Taylor Heincke came in as a freshman midget weighing 150 pounds that hardly anyone wanted. How did he not develop under our staff? Do you think he was just as good as a freshman (when no one wanted him) as he was when he left (when the NFL wanted him)?

David Washington was a backup FCS QB (behind a star) that moved to WR and is now playing FBS football as a starting QB. How did he not develop? Could he have played as a freshman at the FBS level?

The book has not been written on the other possible QBs on our roster that are either Freshman or Sophomores.

Thomas DeMarco was a QB recruited to ODU. TD was at the College of the Desert passed for 1,792 yards with 14 passing touchdowns also rushed for eight touchdowns. DeMarco was recruited out of high school as a punter but left his D1 school in CA (SDSU) to go the junior college rout to be a QB.

Thomas DeMarco showed up on ODU campus in the summer of 2009 and beat out Cooper, Reamon and one other to be the QB. You call 4 weeks fall practice development?

Whitcomb put stock in to Blackman before he walked out a month before signing TH and Ong

TH was unknown and not expected to play as a freshman. How much time did Whitcomb put in to TH before UMass 2011? They had DeMarco and Ong. Whitcomb has stated he didnt want to change any of TH flaws in fear it would affect his play.

DW has moved positions around so much he hasn't had time to develop as a true QB.

Name a QB who has been developed and seceded at ODU? Most have walked

Development is bring in a guy and learning the system and waiting his turn. Not a player who shows up in fall practice weeks before the start of the season and is already a starter


Your premise that DeMarco, Washington, and Heinicke didn't develop at ODU is absurd. YOu think those guys were as good when they came in as when they left?

College of the Desert. A 2-year community college. Why are you posting stats from a community college?

Reading some more and trying to make some sense of what you are saying....are you saying QBs don't develop while they are playing games?

Whitcomb has had 8 years to develop a backup to take over once we graduate a starting QBs. He has had upward of 16 or more QBs to mold in 8 seasons. He has done well with two talented QBs to pass through our program but hasn't developed a player to be a future starter. 2008 He had 4 QBs to develop before we started playing. Reamon was a two star recruit (was over hyped maybe) but some FBS schools wanted him. DeMarco shows up on campus 2009 and becomes the starting QBs ahead of the other 4 QBs that Whitcomb had under his development for a year.

Its easy to coach a kid who as talent (TD and TH) but it takes a good coach to develop a player.

Whitcomb, Quarterback Coach 2008 to Present

2008
1.Tommy Reamon
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Fred Credle

2009
1.Thomas DeMarco
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Tommy Reamon

2010
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Dominique Blackman
3. Rashard Manley
4. Tommy Reamon moved to TE

2011
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Nate Ong
3. Tyler Clark
4. Taylor Heinicke

2012
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. David Washington
3. Colin McElroy

2013
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Shane McCarley
3. Colin McElroy
5. David Washington

2014
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Colin McElroy
3. *David Washington QB/WR
4. Shuler Bentley

2015
1. Shuler Bentley
2. Joey Verhaegh
3. Blake LaRussa
4. David Washington * Moved back to QB mid season.


If Heinicke and DeMarco were super talented QBs, they would have gotten scholarships at the FBS level. They weren't. We've had 3 starting QBs in the program; all 3 performed pretty well. How good were the other guys? WHo knows, because we had great QB play and didn't need them.

Each one of those QBs were recruited for FCS or walk ons. Despite this we have had stellar QB play. And each of the 3 guys started from being hardly looked at to playing well.

You like to add tidbits to peoples post. I never called TD and TH "super talent". Technically we have had 4 starting QBs in our program since 2009. TD, TH, DW and SB. 1 of them was recruited for FBS and hasn't played well. Credit to SB he did play better after Washington was injured last season but I have yet to see him play well in the last spring game and vs. Hampton.

As you stated "each of the 3 guys started from being hardly looked at to playing well." Leads me to believe he is a great assessor of QBs which is his job as a QB recruiter. I stated above many times "Whitcomb has had 8 years to develop a backup to take over once we graduate a starting QBs" "When I state developed I mean someone ODU recruited to ride the pine for a few seasons and play the position at QB when we graduate a QB." "hasn't developed a player to be a future starter.

Has he taken talented QBs (TD & TH), coached and improved them and win? Yes

Has he took a player and developed a QB to start for the future? No, my disagreement is he has had 8 years to develop backups for the future.
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The notion that TH was as good when he entered ODU as when he left is absurd. Yes, he was better than people thought, but he also worked with Whitcomb for 4 seasons and 3 summers. It's beyond belief that he did not improve, and I would argue that Whitcomb was deflecting to his player by saying he didn't change anything cause it wasn't broken. Then again, we'll never know.
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(09-14-2016 01:39 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  The notion that TH was as good when he entered ODU as when he left is absurd. Yes, he was better than people thought, but he also worked with Whitcomb for 4 seasons and 3 summers. It's beyond belief that he did not improve, and I would argue that Whitcomb was deflecting to his player by saying he didn't change anything cause it wasn't broken. Then again, we'll never know.

It should be noted too that TH still works with Whitcomb in the offseason.
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I thought that was the case, but didn't want to say it without be absolutely sure.
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Again, we don't know if we've ever developed a backup because we haven't needed one. Except Washington, who was developed as a backup and is now a starter.
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(09-14-2016 01:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Again, we don't know if we've ever developed a backup because we haven't needed one. Except Washington, who was developed as a backup and is now a starter.

And the issue with him was that he switched to WR for a few years. Even if he was still splitting time between the WRs and QBs, he's not devoting his time to fully develop into a starting QB. No fault on his end, he was a good enough athlete to be able to make the transition smoothly and had a great impact on our offense when we lost those receivers that one year. He's done well coming back to the QB position but you can tell that he still had some work to be done
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(09-14-2016 01:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Again, we don't know if we've ever developed a backup because we haven't needed one. Except Washington, who was developed as a backup and is now a starter.

Rotation of QBs is needed to succeed as a program. Next man up mentality. A suitable replacement every 2 years and sometimes 3 years at the QB position.

My point was from the start. Whitcomb has not developed a player for the future. I agree with everyone he has improved TH and TD but he has not developed backup players and future starters for our program.

If Whitcomb was fired/ quit tomorrow most would agree that he left the cupboards bare for the future.

I think the current players redshirting this season stick we will start the rotation cycle of QBs but by the time we see them take the field it could be to late for this coaching staff.
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(09-14-2016 02:15 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  If Whitcomb was fired/ quit tomorrow most would agree that he left the cupboards bare for the future.

I think the current players redshirting this season stick we will start the rotation cycle of QBs but by the time we see them take the field it could be to late for this coaching staff.


Shuler Bentley was only a freshman when we saw him play last year. If your notion that we need to develop and replace a QB every two years is correct, our QBs aren't going to start until their junior years anyway, so how do you know how much Shuler will have developed by next year? He played decent ball in the 2nd half of last year, why do you think he won't improve by next year (or maybe later this year, should we need him)?

Also, have you seen any of our other QBs? How do you know they are not developing into future starters?
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Can you explain how we haven't had rotation of QBs? We've gone from DeMarco to Heinick to Washington (with Bentley in between). What is the issue here?

Whitcomb has developed multiple players for the future. Again, how do we know which backups he's developed (besides Washington, who he did develop) when they haven't been needed to play? How good was Craig Ong? We don't know! How good is Drayton Arnold?

The QB position is far from bare. As a matter of fact, it's almost a foregone conclusion we will have some transfers out of here because no one wants to be 4th string QB. Here is a what a hypothetical coach would have:

Bentley- 3 star QB. Looked good second half of freshman year, but was terrible first half. Probable starter.
LaRussa- walk on. Has at least earned the right to be a backup. Question mark
Arnold- 3 star QB that will be redshirt freshman
Lewis- 2 star QB that will be redshirt freshman
Cunningham/Sheckells- who knows.

Wilder is not being fired in the next 2-3 years
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(09-14-2016 02:46 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 02:15 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  If Whitcomb was fired/ quit tomorrow most would agree that he left the cupboards bare for the future.

I think the current players redshirting this season stick we will start the rotation cycle of QBs but by the time we see them take the field it could be to late for this coaching staff.


Shuler Bentley was only a freshman when we saw him play last year. If your notion that we need to develop and replace a QB every two years is correct, our QBs aren't going to start until their junior years anyway, so how do you know how much Shuler will have developed by next year? He played decent ball in the 2nd half of last year, why do you think he won't improve by next year (or maybe later this year, should we need him)?
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Also, have you seen any of our other QBs? How do you know they are not developing into future starters?

Shuler Bentley was a Redshirt freshman not a freshman starter. When Bentley seen the field he had been in our system for 15 months had gone through 1 spring game and a 2 full summer and 2 fall practices. Named the starter before taken the field for the first time last year. Present day he has been with us for 26 months, two spring game and 3 full summer preseason/ fall practices and yes I still question if he is the future of the program. He has had more time under Whitcomb then any other starting QB before taking the field.

If your rotating every 2 to 3 years guys would will be redshirt sophomore by year 3 not juniors. They would still have 3 years to lead a team.

I didnt mention other QBs who are unproven redshirting because some will leave the program by next season. No way we carry 6 to 8 QBs in to camp but if we do thats a good problem to have.
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RE: When do we start looking for a new coaching staff?
(09-14-2016 02:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Can you explain how we haven't had rotation of QBs? We've gone from DeMarco to Heinick to Washington (with Bentley in between). What is the issue here?

Whitcomb has developed multiple players for the future. Again, how do we know which backups he's developed (besides Washington, who he did develop) when they haven't been needed to play? How good was Craig Ong? We don't know! How good is Drayton Arnold?

The QB position is far from bare. As a matter of fact, it's almost a foregone conclusion we will have some transfers out of here because no one wants to be 4th string QB. Here is a what a hypothetical coach would have:

Bentley- 3 star QB. Looked good second half of freshman year, but was terrible first half. Probable starter.
LaRussa- walk on. Has at least earned the right to be a backup. Question mark
Arnold- 3 star QB that will be redshirt freshman
Lewis- 2 star QB that will be redshirt freshman
Cunningham/Sheckells- who knows.

Wilder is not being fired in the next 2-3 years

His name was Nate Ong.

The drop off at QB rotation happen right after TH. Bring in a RS FR to start. Is not ideal who has no live game reps behind a starter.

DW is a whole different story on how they played him, he is exciting to watch but he has been back and forth so much he hasnt settled down yet.

If they went from TH to DW to start the season last year we would of had a rotation cycle
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RE: When do we start looking for a new coaching staff?
Something else to consider is that the only FCS callups to hit the ground running in FBS are App State and Ga. Southern. Not coincidentally, both have a far greater history and far deeper recruiting relationships than the other schools, many of whom have been playing football 10 years or less. Yeah, App and GaSo are a combined 4-0 against ODU, and App has never even been within 10 standard deviations of being threatened against the Monarchs, but it's not reasonable to expect their results just because hey, we all came up around the same time.

Georgia State, until its second-half surge last season, was horrible by all on and off-field metrics. Texas State has struggled in the transition. UTSA had a good first season but the bottom has since dropped out. UMass has struggled. Charlotte is struggling. It comes with the territory. Fans of those programs shouldn't sweat it. And neither should we.

In five years if ODU is regularly winning 2-3 games a season before <10,000 crowds, then that's when it's time to really panic. Until then, make like an ABC viewer in the 80s and sit through the growing pains.
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(09-14-2016 03:30 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 02:47 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Can you explain how we haven't had rotation of QBs? We've gone from DeMarco to Heinick to Washington (with Bentley in between). What is the issue here?

Whitcomb has developed multiple players for the future. Again, how do we know which backups he's developed (besides Washington, who he did develop) when they haven't been needed to play? How good was Craig Ong? We don't know! How good is Drayton Arnold?

The QB position is far from bare. As a matter of fact, it's almost a foregone conclusion we will have some transfers out of here because no one wants to be 4th string QB. Here is a what a hypothetical coach would have:

Bentley- 3 star QB. Looked good second half of freshman year, but was terrible first half. Probable starter.
LaRussa- walk on. Has at least earned the right to be a backup. Question mark
Arnold- 3 star QB that will be redshirt freshman
Lewis- 2 star QB that will be redshirt freshman
Cunningham/Sheckells- who knows.

Wilder is not being fired in the next 2-3 years

His name was Nate Ong.

The drop off at QB rotation happen right after TH. Bring in a RS FR to start. Is not ideal who has no live game reps behind a starter.

DW is a whole different story on how they played him, he is exciting to watch but he has been back and forth so much he hasnt settled down yet.

If they went from TH to DW to start the season last year we would of had a rotation cycle

I would love to understand your point of view, but it makes absolutely no sense at all. It just seems to be a made up reason to criticize a coach.
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(09-14-2016 08:36 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  You'd have to be crazy to judge any coach -- or employee in any industry -- on the strength of one day. Like him or not, Wilder has done a good job of building this program, despite some obvious obstacles. Thank God you don't run this athletic program; we'd be changing coaches every other week.

Hear, Hear!

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(09-14-2016 03:50 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Something else to consider is that the only FCS callups to hit the ground running in FBS are App State and Ga. Southern. Not coincidentally, both have a far greater history and far deeper recruiting relationships than the other schools, many of whom have been playing football 10 years or less. Yeah, App and GaSo are a combined 4-0 against ODU, and App has never even been within 10 standard deviations of being threatened against the Monarchs, but it's not reasonable to expect their results just because hey, we all came up around the same time.

Georgia State, until its second-half surge last season, was horrible by all on and off-field metrics. Texas State has struggled in the transition. UTSA had a good first season but the bottom has since dropped out. UMass has struggled. Charlotte is struggling. It comes with the territory. Fans of those programs shouldn't sweat it. And neither should we.

In five years if ODU is regularly winning 2-3 games a season before <10,000 crowds, then that's when it's time to really panic. Until then, make like an ABC viewer in the 80s and sit through the growing pains.

Logic. Reason. I like it.
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Apropos of nothing, do you ever wonder who from the team reads this board?

Does Ximines browse and go, "Great hairy hornets, I knew ODUAlum15 saw me miss that tackle. I knew that SOB would call me out!"?

Does BW come on and sweat because MonarchAXP87Y93 thinks he's on the hot seat?
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(09-14-2016 01:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Again, we don't know if we've ever developed a backup because we haven't needed one. Except Washington, who was developed as a backup and is now a starter.


Precisely.


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