I think the question the original post raised only relates to next season.
All of JMU'S games are already contracted.

So it is a matter of if you prefer to play Morehead State AND Central Conn State next year OR drop one of them for a paid road game at FBS Marshall.

I can never align with playing both creampuffs in one year. It would be hard for JMU to schedule 2 worse games with Division 1 teams.

We've had plenty of good threads for what an ideal schedule would look like when there is a blank slate.

Does JMU want to stick with what they have for next year or make it better?

(12-18-2015 10:06 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  3- there are examples of FCS teams that played 2 FBS games and made the playoffs. App State actually won their first national title in a year they played 2 FBS teams. They lost 3 games that year.

In the post 2000 era, the folllowing teams won the NC and the # of I-A games they played:
2000 GSU: 1
2001 Montana: 2*
2002 WKU: 1
2003 UD: 1
2004 JMU: 1
2005 ASU: 2**
2006 ASU 1
2007 ASU 1
2008 UR 1
2009 VU 1
2010 EWU 1
2011 NDSU 1
2012 NDSU 1
2013 NDSU 1
2014 NDSU 1
*(Hawaii which gave Montana in an 11 game season an extra 12th game, and 1-10 Idaho, AT MONTANA, so had 7 of 12 home games). Now in an 11 game season if JMU can get a game @ Hawaii, which would allow a 12th game. and then find a bad G5 to HOST @ JMU, and have 7 home games, then hell yeah, by all means.
**Afterward that 1st NC ASU's attendance shot way up, they expanded their stadium and didn't schedule 2 I-A games again.

Now sure you can go back to the 90s and see where in all 3 of YSU's NC seasons they played 2 MAC teams. But thats not a P5 and a G5..

Looking at those last 15 NC teams' schedules, even if I missed a I-A game, bottom line there is a pattern here to winning an NC, and its not scheduling 2 I-A games..

(12-18-2015 04:02 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 10:06 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  3- there are examples of FCS teams that played 2 FBS games and made the playoffs. App State actually won their first national title in a year they played 2 FBS teams. They lost 3 games that year.

In the post 2000 era, the folllowing teams won the NC and the # of I-A games they played:
2000 GSU: 1
2001 Montana: 2*
2002 WKU: 1
2003 UD: 1
2004 JMU: 1
2005 ASU: 2**
2006 ASU 1
2007 ASU 1
2008 UR 1
2009 VU 1
2010 EWU 1
2011 NDSU 1
2012 NDSU 1
2013 NDSU 1
2014 NDSU 1
*(Hawaii which gave Montana in an 11 game season an extra 12th game, and 1-10 Idaho, AT MONTANA, so had 7 of 12 home games). Now in an 11 game season if JMU can get a game @ Hawaii, which would allow a 12th game. and then find a bad G5 to HOST @ JMU, and have 7 home games, then hell yeah, by all means.
**Afterward that 1st NC ASU's attendance shot way up, they expanded their stadium and didn't schedule 2 I-A games again.

Now sure you can go back to the 90s and see where in all 3 of YSU's NC seasons they played 2 MAC teams. But thats not a P5 and a G5..

Looking at those last 15 NC teams' schedules, even if I missed a I-A game, bottom line there is a pattern here to winning an NC, and its not scheduling 2 I-A games..

I think the real question here is how many teams have made the playoffs in a season where they played more than 1 FBS opponent. The potential losses to FBS teams might affect a team's chances of getting to the playoffs, but it has no impact on what a team does once it gets there, other than maybe getting a first round bye.

(12-18-2015 02:30 PM)JMU Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:00 PM)CarolinaDuke Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 01:27 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 11:57 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  thinking about it more, the JMU schedule is already set so the decision is ...
Option 1 - Morehead State at home or Marshall on the road.
Option 2 - Central Conn. State at home or Marshall on the road.

Marshall has both dates open.

This is a slam dunk. You absolutely take the Marshall game on the road and make sure the money is right to buyout either of the cream puffs and put some cash in the coffers. We are raising money for a new convo, right?
JMU should not play Morehead State or Central Conn State. Playing both in one year is a travesty.

How much does JMU make per home game? You give up a home you give up home game revenue. By the time you buy out the home game, pay for travel costs, subtract what you're losing in home game revenue, you're not goig to be making all that much $$ if Marshall is only paying say 350k.

On top of that, like I said before, season ticket holders are being charged for 6 home games. If they only get 5 then to make up for that they should either have 1/6th of the season ticket price refunded? Would JMU do that? No.

The only reason to whore your program out for 2 I-A games is if you have a smaller stadium and low attendance and you NEED to financially JMU doesn't need to.

Look at what the other high attendance teams do.
1. Does Montana ever do 2 I-A games. NO. Its always 0 or 1.
2. Does Montana State ever do 2 I-A games. No. Its always 0 to 1.
3. Does NDSU ever do 2 I-A games. No. Its always 0 to 1.
4. Does UD ever do 2 I-A games. No. Its always 0 to 1.
5. Does JSU ever do 2 I-A games. Its usually 1.

I agree JMU shouldn't host both Morehead and CCSU in 1 season, but scheduling a P5 and a G5 in the same season, when there is no financial need to and when the #1 goal of the regular season is to make the playoffs would be dumb.

It definitley doesn't makes sense to do it every season, but it is not necessarily a playoff death sentence to play two FBS games in year. Sam Houston State played Baylor and Texas A&M in 2012. They lost both games, but their only other loss that year was to NDSU in the National Championship game.

The simple fact is that that JMU is not that great. Good, yes. Great, no. Two FBS games in a single season is absurd.

I place 90% of the teams in the SB, MAC, and CUSA and a few of the AAC teams in the same category as I do NDSU, Montana, MSU, EWU, Jack State, etc. and I agree that playing these top level schools is good for competitive reasons, but they are so far from JMU that our AD will never schedule a home-and-home, plus they do not have the regional connection playing a Marshall, ODU, Appy have for our fans even if it must be a payday game for us. They are all driveable for the majority of our fans as well as the team.

BDK had one point that "could" be hard to argue with concerning having to buy out either MSU or CCSU. EW and I had this very conversation when he told me about talks with the Razorbacks. That game would have been in addition to, rather than instead of, the SMU game. We would have had the same situation to get out our game with Morehead State this past season. He said those teams that we pay to play at BFS have written in the contracts allowing us an out if we find them another opponent to play without us having to buy out the game.

^^^^ solid review above...but may need to study causal v. correlation a bit

(12-18-2015 04:01 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I think the question the original post raised only relates to next season.
All of JMU'S games are already contracted.

So it is a matter of if you prefer to play Morehead State AND Central Conn State next year OR drop one of them for a paid road game at FBS Marshall.

I can never align with playing both creampuffs in one year. It would be hard for JMU to schedule 2 worse games with Division 1 teams.

We've had plenty of good threads for what an ideal schedule would look like when there is a blank slate.

Does JMU want to stick with what they have for next year or make it better?

Getting are butts kicked twice by two FBS teams does not make us better. Iron sharpens iron but JMU does not have the same quantity or quality of iron.
JMU needs to consider the student fan base. They pay the bulk of the cost of the program so it makes sense to play 6 games home games.
I think we all agree that we want to be FBS; but playing 2 FBS has no bearing on that goal.
When you are FCS, the goal is to make the playoffs.
The wins against the cream puffs got us a seed this season.

(12-18-2015 09:43 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:01 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I think the question the original post raised only relates to next season.
All of JMU'S games are already contracted.

So it is a matter of if you prefer to play Morehead State AND Central Conn State next year OR drop one of them for a paid road game at FBS Marshall.

I can never align with playing both creampuffs in one year. It would be hard for JMU to schedule 2 worse games with Division 1 teams.

We've had plenty of good threads for what an ideal schedule would look like when there is a blank slate.

Does JMU want to stick with what they have for next year or make it better?

Getting are butts kicked twice by two FBS teams does not make us better. Iron sharpens iron but JMU does not have the same quantity or quality of iron.
JMU needs to consider the student fan base. They pay the bulk of the cost of the program so it makes sense to play 6 games home games.
I think we all agree that we want to be FBS; but playing 2 FBS has no bearing on that goal.
When you are FCS, the goal is to make the playoffs.
The wins against the cream puffs got us a seed this season.

The goal should be to make deep runs in the playoffs and win NCs with the resources JMU has if it's going to remain FCS. As we've seen the past two yeas, playing a bunch of cream puffs did not adequately prepare this team for the playoff caliber teams it faced in the regular season or in the playoffs. With 24 schools making the playoffs each year and the resources JMU has, we should be able to play two FBS games per year and still make it to the playoffs, as long as one of the FBS teams is a G5. The goal needs to be more than making the playoffs and losing at home to teams with far less talent and resources.

(12-19-2015 06:28 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:43 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:01 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I think the question the original post raised only relates to next season.
All of JMU'S games are already contracted.

So it is a matter of if you prefer to play Morehead State AND Central Conn State next year OR drop one of them for a paid road game at FBS Marshall.

I can never align with playing both creampuffs in one year. It would be hard for JMU to schedule 2 worse games with Division 1 teams.

We've had plenty of good threads for what an ideal schedule would look like when there is a blank slate.

Does JMU want to stick with what they have for next year or make it better?

Getting are butts kicked twice by two FBS teams does not make us better. Iron sharpens iron but JMU does not have the same quantity or quality of iron.
JMU needs to consider the student fan base. They pay the bulk of the cost of the program so it makes sense to play 6 games home games.
I think we all agree that we want to be FBS; but playing 2 FBS has no bearing on that goal.
When you are FCS, the goal is to make the playoffs.
The wins against the cream puffs got us a seed this season.

The goal should be to make deep runs in the playoffs and win NCs with the resources JMU has if it's going to remain FCS. As we've seen the past two yeas, playing a bunch of cream puffs did not adequately prepare this team for the playoff caliber teams it faced in the regular season or in the playoffs. With 24 schools making the playoffs each year and the resources JMU has, we should be able to play two FBS games per year and still make it to the playoffs, as long as one of the FBS teams is a G5. The goal needs to be more than making the playoffs and losing at home to teams with far less talent and resources.

Agree, anyone simply setting their sights on making the playoffs sure doesn't have a lot of ambition for the Dukes. It's damn near embarrassing to be one and-done. It's a toss up for me as to whether it's better for the Dukes to have had the season conclude Nov. 22 or have played that one-and-done post season game. Not to take anything away from Colgate, but had we played a top-10 team, I would not have said that. NDSU starts out the season with a loss to Montana and they are playing their best football right now. We start out with Morehead State and we are sitting home. Proof is right in front of your eyes.

(12-19-2015 06:45 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:28 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:43 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:01 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I think the question the original post raised only relates to next season.
All of JMU'S games are already contracted.

So it is a matter of if you prefer to play Morehead State AND Central Conn State next year OR drop one of them for a paid road game at FBS Marshall.

I can never align with playing both creampuffs in one year. It would be hard for JMU to schedule 2 worse games with Division 1 teams.

We've had plenty of good threads for what an ideal schedule would look like when there is a blank slate.

Does JMU want to stick with what they have for next year or make it better?

Getting are butts kicked twice by two FBS teams does not make us better. Iron sharpens iron but JMU does not have the same quantity or quality of iron.
JMU needs to consider the student fan base. They pay the bulk of the cost of the program so it makes sense to play 6 games home games.
I think we all agree that we want to be FBS; but playing 2 FBS has no bearing on that goal.
When you are FCS, the goal is to make the playoffs.
The wins against the cream puffs got us a seed this season.

The goal should be to make deep runs in the playoffs and win NCs with the resources JMU has if it's going to remain FCS. As we've seen the past two yeas, playing a bunch of cream puffs did not adequately prepare this team for the playoff caliber teams it faced in the regular season or in the playoffs. With 24 schools making the playoffs each year and the resources JMU has, we should be able to play two FBS games per year and still make it to the playoffs, as long as one of the FBS teams is a G5. The goal needs to be more than making the playoffs and losing at home to teams with far less talent and resources.

Agree, anyone simply setting their sights on making the playoffs sure doesn't have a lot of ambition for the Dukes. It's damn near embarrassing to be one and-done. It's a toss up for me as to whether it's better for the Dukes to have had the season conclude Nov. 22 or have played that one-and-done post season game. Not to take anything away from Colgate, but had we played a top-10 team, I would not have said that. NDSU starts out the season with a loss to Montana and they are playing their best football right now. We start out with Morehead State and we are sitting home. Proof is right in front of your eyes.

Wait what?

So if NDSU had played Morehead st and we had played Montana you are saying we would be in the championship game next weekend and they would have been one and done?

(12-19-2015 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:45 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:28 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:43 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:01 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I think the question the original post raised only relates to next season.
All of JMU'S games are already contracted.

So it is a matter of if you prefer to play Morehead State AND Central Conn State next year OR drop one of them for a paid road game at FBS Marshall.

I can never align with playing both creampuffs in one year. It would be hard for JMU to schedule 2 worse games with Division 1 teams.

We've had plenty of good threads for what an ideal schedule would look like when there is a blank slate.

Does JMU want to stick with what they have for next year or make it better?

Getting are butts kicked twice by two FBS teams does not make us better. Iron sharpens iron but JMU does not have the same quantity or quality of iron.
JMU needs to consider the student fan base. They pay the bulk of the cost of the program so it makes sense to play 6 games home games.
I think we all agree that we want to be FBS; but playing 2 FBS has no bearing on that goal.
When you are FCS, the goal is to make the playoffs.
The wins against the cream puffs got us a seed this season.

The goal should be to make deep runs in the playoffs and win NCs with the resources JMU has if it's going to remain FCS. As we've seen the past two yeas, playing a bunch of cream puffs did not adequately prepare this team for the playoff caliber teams it faced in the regular season or in the playoffs. With 24 schools making the playoffs each year and the resources JMU has, we should be able to play two FBS games per year and still make it to the playoffs, as long as one of the FBS teams is a G5. The goal needs to be more than making the playoffs and losing at home to teams with far less talent and resources.

Agree, anyone simply setting their sights on making the playoffs sure doesn't have a lot of ambition for the Dukes. It's damn near embarrassing to be one and-done. It's a toss up for me as to whether it's better for the Dukes to have had the season conclude Nov. 22 or have played that one-and-done post season game. Not to take anything away from Colgate, but had we played a top-10 team, I would not have said that. NDSU starts out the season with a loss to Montana and they are playing their best football right now. We start out with Morehead State and we are sitting home. Proof is right in front of your eyes.

Wait what?

So if NDSU had played Morehead st and we had played Montana you are saying we would be in the championship game next weekend and they would have been one and done?

Rather overlooks the loss of Vad played on JMU's post-season results/chances. Does anyone doubt with a healthy Vad at QB JMU would have been able to outscore Colgate (and in the process with ball control help out of terrible D)?

(12-19-2015 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:45 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:28 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:43 PM)HMK Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 04:01 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I think the question the original post raised only relates to next season.
All of JMU'S games are already contracted.

So it is a matter of if you prefer to play Morehead State AND Central Conn State next year OR drop one of them for a paid road game at FBS Marshall.

I can never align with playing both creampuffs in one year. It would be hard for JMU to schedule 2 worse games with Division 1 teams.

We've had plenty of good threads for what an ideal schedule would look like when there is a blank slate.

Does JMU want to stick with what they have for next year or make it better?

Getting are butts kicked twice by two FBS teams does not make us better. Iron sharpens iron but JMU does not have the same quantity or quality of iron.
JMU needs to consider the student fan base. They pay the bulk of the cost of the program so it makes sense to play 6 games home games.
I think we all agree that we want to be FBS; but playing 2 FBS has no bearing on that goal.
When you are FCS, the goal is to make the playoffs.
The wins against the cream puffs got us a seed this season.

The goal should be to make deep runs in the playoffs and win NCs with the resources JMU has if it's going to remain FCS. As we've seen the past two yeas, playing a bunch of cream puffs did not adequately prepare this team for the playoff caliber teams it faced in the regular season or in the playoffs. With 24 schools making the playoffs each year and the resources JMU has, we should be able to play two FBS games per year and still make it to the playoffs, as long as one of the FBS teams is a G5. The goal needs to be more than making the playoffs and losing at home to teams with far less talent and resources.

Agree, anyone simply setting their sights on making the playoffs sure doesn't have a lot of ambition for the Dukes. It's damn near embarrassing to be one and-done. It's a toss up for me as to whether it's better for the Dukes to have had the season conclude Nov. 22 or have played that one-and-done post season game. Not to take anything away from Colgate, but had we played a top-10 team, I would not have said that. NDSU starts out the season with a loss to Montana and they are playing their best football right now. We start out with Morehead State and we are sitting home. Proof is right in front of your eyes.

Wait what?

So if NDSU had played Morehead st and we had played Montana you are saying we would be in the championship game next weekend and they would have been one and done?

Sounds good to me how about you...

Actually, and I know you get tired of my relating so many things to my racing days, but here goes. We show up to a track and have three hours of practice Friday morning. The driver goes out and makes 3 laps. He comes in and says to the crew chief, "Man, this car feels great, it's absolutely perfect. It turns when I get into the corner and I can pick up the throttle when I need to. This is going to be a good weekend."

I come down off the top of our transporter and hand him my clipboard. Our times 00:31:20 1st lap, 00:31:17 2nd lap, 00:31:12 3rd lap. The next column, Jimmy Johnson times, 00:31:05 1st lap, 00:30:99 2nd lap, 00:30:92 3rd lap. I say, "Now, tell us where we need to start working on this thing."

Comprehend???

(12-19-2015 11:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:45 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:28 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:43 PM)HMK Wrote:  Getting are butts kicked twice by two FBS teams does not make us better. Iron sharpens iron but JMU does not have the same quantity or quality of iron.
JMU needs to consider the student fan base. They pay the bulk of the cost of the program so it makes sense to play 6 games home games.
I think we all agree that we want to be FBS; but playing 2 FBS has no bearing on that goal.
When you are FCS, the goal is to make the playoffs.
The wins against the cream puffs got us a seed this season.

The goal should be to make deep runs in the playoffs and win NCs with the resources JMU has if it's going to remain FCS. As we've seen the past two yeas, playing a bunch of cream puffs did not adequately prepare this team for the playoff caliber teams it faced in the regular season or in the playoffs. With 24 schools making the playoffs each year and the resources JMU has, we should be able to play two FBS games per year and still make it to the playoffs, as long as one of the FBS teams is a G5. The goal needs to be more than making the playoffs and losing at home to teams with far less talent and resources.

Agree, anyone simply setting their sights on making the playoffs sure doesn't have a lot of ambition for the Dukes. It's damn near embarrassing to be one and-done. It's a toss up for me as to whether it's better for the Dukes to have had the season conclude Nov. 22 or have played that one-and-done post season game. Not to take anything away from Colgate, but had we played a top-10 team, I would not have said that. NDSU starts out the season with a loss to Montana and they are playing their best football right now. We start out with Morehead State and we are sitting home. Proof is right in front of your eyes.

Wait what?

So if NDSU had played Morehead st and we had played Montana you are saying we would be in the championship game next weekend and they would have been one and done?

Sounds good to me how about you...

Actually, and I know you get tired of my relating so many things to my racing days, but here goes. We show up to a track and have three hours of practice Friday morning. The driver goes out and makes 3 laps. He comes in and says to the crew chief, "Man, this car feels great, it's absolutely perfect. It turns when I get into the corner and I can pick up the throttle when I need to. This is going to be a good weekend."

I come down off the top of our transporter and hand him my clipboard. Our times 00:31:20 1st lap, 00:31:17 2nd lap, 00:31:12 3rd lap. The next column, Jimmy Johnson times, 00:31:05 1st lap, 00:30:99 2nd lap, 00:30:92 3rd lap. I say, "Now, tell us where we need to start working on this thing."

Comprehend???

No, I don't comprehend how someone can think we would be in the championship game and NDSU would have lost first round if we had switched week one opponents. No offense man but that's one of the dumbest things ever posted on a football forum. It makes no sense whatsoever. Neither does a 3 lap NASCAR comparison.

(12-19-2015 01:06 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 11:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:45 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:28 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  The goal should be to make deep runs in the playoffs and win NCs with the resources JMU has if it's going to remain FCS. As we've seen the past two yeas, playing a bunch of cream puffs did not adequately prepare this team for the playoff caliber teams it faced in the regular season or in the playoffs. With 24 schools making the playoffs each year and the resources JMU has, we should be able to play two FBS games per year and still make it to the playoffs, as long as one of the FBS teams is a G5. The goal needs to be more than making the playoffs and losing at home to teams with far less talent and resources.

Agree, anyone simply setting their sights on making the playoffs sure doesn't have a lot of ambition for the Dukes. It's damn near embarrassing to be one and-done. It's a toss up for me as to whether it's better for the Dukes to have had the season conclude Nov. 22 or have played that one-and-done post season game. Not to take anything away from Colgate, but had we played a top-10 team, I would not have said that. NDSU starts out the season with a loss to Montana and they are playing their best football right now. We start out with Morehead State and we are sitting home. Proof is right in front of your eyes.

Wait what?

So if NDSU had played Morehead st and we had played Montana you are saying we would be in the championship game next weekend and they would have been one and done?

Sounds good to me how about you...

Actually, and I know you get tired of my relating so many things to my racing days, but here goes. We show up to a track and have three hours of practice Friday morning. The driver goes out and makes 3 laps. He comes in and says to the crew chief, "Man, this car feels great, it's absolutely perfect. It turns when I get into the corner and I can pick up the throttle when I need to. This is going to be a good weekend."

I come down off the top of our transporter and hand him my clipboard. Our times 00:31:20 1st lap, 00:31:17 2nd lap, 00:31:12 3rd lap. The next column, Jimmy Johnson times, 00:31:05 1st lap, 00:30:99 2nd lap, 00:30:92 3rd lap. I say, "Now, tell us where we need to start working on this thing."

Comprehend???

No, I don't comprehend how someone can think we would be in the championship game and NDSU would have lost first round if we had switched week one opponents. No offense man but that's one of the dumbest things ever posted on a football forum. It makes no sense whatsoever. Neither does a 3 lap NASCAR comparison.

It does to me. Taking 3 laps and thinking you're good without knowing you need to be better isn't going to help you against a better opponent later. Playing a stronger opponent early MAY have made it more evident to the coaches (maybe) that the defense wasn't actually good.

(12-19-2015 04:09 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:06 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 11:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:45 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Agree, anyone simply setting their sights on making the playoffs sure doesn't have a lot of ambition for the Dukes. It's damn near embarrassing to be one and-done. It's a toss up for me as to whether it's better for the Dukes to have had the season conclude Nov. 22 or have played that one-and-done post season game. Not to take anything away from Colgate, but had we played a top-10 team, I would not have said that. NDSU starts out the season with a loss to Montana and they are playing their best football right now. We start out with Morehead State and we are sitting home. Proof is right in front of your eyes.

Wait what?

So if NDSU had played Morehead st and we had played Montana you are saying we would be in the championship game next weekend and they would have been one and done?

Sounds good to me how about you...

Actually, and I know you get tired of my relating so many things to my racing days, but here goes. We show up to a track and have three hours of practice Friday morning. The driver goes out and makes 3 laps. He comes in and says to the crew chief, "Man, this car feels great, it's absolutely perfect. It turns when I get into the corner and I can pick up the throttle when I need to. This is going to be a good weekend."

I come down off the top of our transporter and hand him my clipboard. Our times 00:31:20 1st lap, 00:31:17 2nd lap, 00:31:12 3rd lap. The next column, Jimmy Johnson times, 00:31:05 1st lap, 00:30:99 2nd lap, 00:30:92 3rd lap. I say, "Now, tell us where we need to start working on this thing."

Comprehend???

No, I don't comprehend how someone can think we would be in the championship game and NDSU would have lost first round if we had switched week one opponents. No offense man but that's one of the dumbest things ever posted on a football forum. It makes no sense whatsoever. Neither does a 3 lap NASCAR comparison.

It does to me. Taking 3 laps and thinking you're good without knowing you need to be better isn't going to help you against a better opponent later. Playing a stronger opponent early MAY have made it more evident to the coaches (maybe) that the defense wasn't actually good.

How does that translate to we would be NDSU and they would be us if they had started with a cupcake?

(12-19-2015 05:28 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:09 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:06 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 11:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:38 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Wait what?

So if NDSU had played Morehead st and we had played Montana you are saying we would be in the championship game next weekend and they would have been one and done?

Sounds good to me how about you...

Actually, and I know you get tired of my relating so many things to my racing days, but here goes. We show up to a track and have three hours of practice Friday morning. The driver goes out and makes 3 laps. He comes in and says to the crew chief, "Man, this car feels great, it's absolutely perfect. It turns when I get into the corner and I can pick up the throttle when I need to. This is going to be a good weekend."

I come down off the top of our transporter and hand him my clipboard. Our times 00:31:20 1st lap, 00:31:17 2nd lap, 00:31:12 3rd lap. The next column, Jimmy Johnson times, 00:31:05 1st lap, 00:30:99 2nd lap, 00:30:92 3rd lap. I say, "Now, tell us where we need to start working on this thing."

Comprehend???

No, I don't comprehend how someone can think we would be in the championship game and NDSU would have lost first round if we had switched week one opponents. No offense man but that's one of the dumbest things ever posted on a football forum. It makes no sense whatsoever. Neither does a 3 lap NASCAR comparison.

It does to me. Taking 3 laps and thinking you're good without knowing you need to be better isn't going to help you against a better opponent later. Playing a stronger opponent early MAY have made it more evident to the coaches (maybe) that the defense wasn't actually good.

How does that translate to we would be NDSU and they would be us if they had started with a cupcake?

To continue to try and explain his point to you would be like wrestling with a pig. Have a Merry Christmas.

(12-19-2015 06:29 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 05:28 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:09 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:06 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 11:13 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  Sounds good to me how about you...

Actually, and I know you get tired of my relating so many things to my racing days, but here goes. We show up to a track and have three hours of practice Friday morning. The driver goes out and makes 3 laps. He comes in and says to the crew chief, "Man, this car feels great, it's absolutely perfect. It turns when I get into the corner and I can pick up the throttle when I need to. This is going to be a good weekend."

I come down off the top of our transporter and hand him my clipboard. Our times 00:31:20 1st lap, 00:31:17 2nd lap, 00:31:12 3rd lap. The next column, Jimmy Johnson times, 00:31:05 1st lap, 00:30:99 2nd lap, 00:30:92 3rd lap. I say, "Now, tell us where we need to start working on this thing."

Comprehend???

No, I don't comprehend how someone can think we would be in the championship game and NDSU would have lost first round if we had switched week one opponents. No offense man but that's one of the dumbest things ever posted on a football forum. It makes no sense whatsoever. Neither does a 3 lap NASCAR comparison.

It does to me. Taking 3 laps and thinking you're good without knowing you need to be better isn't going to help you against a better opponent later. Playing a stronger opponent early MAY have made it more evident to the coaches (maybe) that the defense wasn't actually good.

How does that translate to we would be NDSU and they would be us if they had started with a cupcake?

To continue to try and explain his point to you would be like wrestling with a pig. Have a Merry Christmas.

No offense but you're not intelligent enough to explain your point if all you got is a pig joke that isn't funny.

I'm dead serious. How on Earth does one claim we would be NDSU if we played a better first game and NDSU would be us if they played a cupcake? That's just stupid on so many levels.

Clemson opened with Wofford. Wisconsin opened with Alabama. Wisconsin isn't Clemson and Clemson isn't Wisconsin.

(12-19-2015 06:53 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:29 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 05:28 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:09 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:06 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  No, I don't comprehend how someone can think we would be in the championship game and NDSU would have lost first round if we had switched week one opponents. No offense man but that's one of the dumbest things ever posted on a football forum. It makes no sense whatsoever. Neither does a 3 lap NASCAR comparison.

It does to me. Taking 3 laps and thinking you're good without knowing you need to be better isn't going to help you against a better opponent later. Playing a stronger opponent early MAY have made it more evident to the coaches (maybe) that the defense wasn't actually good.

How does that translate to we would be NDSU and they would be us if they had started with a cupcake?

To continue to try and explain his point to you would be like wrestling with a pig. Have a Merry Christmas.

No offense but you're not intelligent enough to explain your point if all you got is a pig joke that isn't funny.

I'm dead serious. How on Earth does one claim we would be NDSU if we played a better first game and NDSU would be us if they played a cupcake? That's just stupid on so many levels.

Clemson opened with Wofford. Wisconsin opened with Alabama. Wisconsin isn't Clemson and Clemson isn't Wisconsin.

This is why the NFL has Preseason games, there are different ways of thinking on this topic. In my opinion it depends on the team you have. If you have a senior heavy team, it really doesn't matter who you play, if they are a talented group of seniors and juniors they have peaked already and the game has already slowed down to them.

Now if you have a young team , maybe a Moorhead state will give them some confidence. So by the time they play a Richmond team , they won't have that deer in the headlights look.

By week ten it really shouldn't matter who we have played , the questions are. Do we have enough talent to win ? Is our gameplan and preparation good? And are we good enough to make in game adjustments ?

I'm enjoying watching the bowl with our former peer Appy, quite a game. Happy for them and pissed for us

(12-19-2015 06:53 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 06:29 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 05:28 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:09 PM)olderduke Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:06 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  No, I don't comprehend how someone can think we would be in the championship game and NDSU would have lost first round if we had switched week one opponents. No offense man but that's one of the dumbest things ever posted on a football forum. It makes no sense whatsoever. Neither does a 3 lap NASCAR comparison.

It does to me. Taking 3 laps and thinking you're good without knowing you need to be better isn't going to help you against a better opponent later. Playing a stronger opponent early MAY have made it more evident to the coaches (maybe) that the defense wasn't actually good.

How does that translate to we would be NDSU and they would be us if they had started with a cupcake?

To continue to try and explain his point to you would be like wrestling with a pig. Have a Merry Christmas.

No offense but you're not intelligent enough to explain your point if all you got is a pig joke that isn't funny.

I'm dead serious. How on Earth does one claim we would be NDSU if we played a better first game and NDSU would be us if they played a cupcake? That's just stupid on so many levels.

Clemson opened with Wofford. Wisconsin opened with Alabama. Wisconsin isn't Clemson and Clemson isn't Wisconsin.

Who said I was trying to be funny?

(12-19-2015 08:44 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  I'm enjoying watching the bowl with our former peer Appy, quite a game. Happy for them and pissed for us

Should be a thriller!