I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Strength of schedule cannot be helped and usually means nothing on Saturday.

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more. As for the games, Clemson, Duke, and whomever FSU faces in the bowl game will have won 10 out of 12 just like the teams Nebraska faced. The only one who is different is Miami who is 9-3.


As for Duke in the SEC, yeah they probably would but that doesn't matter. We're talking about something that hasn't been seen possibly ever. This isn't the first year top teams have been criticized for their schedules yet, none have been this dominant.

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more. As for the games, Clemson, Duke, and whomever FSU faces in the bowl game will have won 10 out of 12 just like the teams Nebraska faced. The only one who is different is Miami who is 9-3.


As for Duke in the SEC, yeah they probably would but that doesn't matter. We're talking about something that hasn't been seen possibly ever. This isn't the first year top teams have been criticized for their schedules yet, none have been this dominant.

Florida St. clearly looks better than Ohio St., but hold off on those comparisons to Nebraska 95. Maybe if FSU beat Oklahoma St., Alabama and Ohio St. to end the season. FSU has had a very weak schedule. BYU went unbeaten in 1984 as well.

(12-01-2013 03:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more. As for the games, Clemson, Duke, and whomever FSU faces in the bowl game will have won 10 out of 12 just like the teams Nebraska faced. The only one who is different is Miami who is 9-3.


As for Duke in the SEC, yeah they probably would but that doesn't matter. We're talking about something that hasn't been seen possibly ever. This isn't the first year top teams have been criticized for their schedules yet, none have been this dominant.

Florida St. clearly looks better than Ohio St., but hold off on those comparisons to Nebraska 95. Maybe if FSU beat Oklahoma St., Alabama and Ohio St. to end the season. FSU has had a very weak schedule. BYU went unbeaten in 1984 as well.

I'm not saying FSU is better than that Nebraska team. That team was ridiculous. All I'm saying is this years FSU maybe the most dominant in terms of margin of victory.

BTW..that BYU team only won by an avg of 21 points

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more.

Not the SOS part. There is no question that Nebraska 95 played a far tougher schedule than FSU has this year. FSU's schedule this year has been very soft, especially compared to SEC competition.

During the regular season, Nebraska 95 played 5 schools with winning records:

1. Kansas, 10-2
2. Kansas State, 10-2
3. Colorado, 10-2
4. Michigan State, 6-5-1
5. Arizona State, 6-5

Tom Osborne had great teams from 93 thru 97.

(12-02-2013 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more.

Not the SOS part. There is no question that Nebraska 95 played a far tougher schedule than FSU has this year. FSU's schedule this year has been very soft, especially compared to SEC competition.

Ultimately that's not what I'm getting at. The ACC, while not the SEC, is still not chopped liver either. Pitt beat Notre Dame. Miami beat Florida (back when Florida was still halfway decent). Clemson beat Georgia. GT should have beaten Georgia but lost in OT. Clemson went on the road to SC and lost a tough game (final score doesn't indicate how close that game really was). Wake Forest lost on a last min FG at Vandy. FSU is blowing away their competition at a 42.7 points per game clip. While not against the greatest schedule, that's still pretty ridiculous.

(12-02-2013 09:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more.

Not the SOS part. There is no question that Nebraska 95 played a far tougher schedule than FSU has this year. FSU's schedule this year has been very soft, especially compared to SEC competition.

Ultimately that's not what I'm getting at. The ACC, while not the SEC, is still not chopped liver either. Pitt beat Notre Dame. Miami beat Florida (back when Florida was still halfway decent). Clemson beat Georgia. GT should have beaten Georgia but lost in OT. Clemson went on the road to SC and lost a tough game (final score doesn't indicate how close that game really was). Wake Forest lost on a last min FG at Vandy. FSU is blowing away their competition at a 42.7 points per game clip. While not against the greatest schedule, that's still pretty ridiculous.

Turnover margin was +6 with SC not turning the ball over once. If anything, the final score doesn't indicate what a blowout that game really was. Just saying. Notre Dame is weak this year. Florida is having their worst season since 1979. GT losing in OT to a hobbled Georgia decimated by injuries is hardly a moral victory.

The ACC is not chopped liver but it is solidly behind the SEC and even PAC in terms of competition and more on par with the Big XII and B1G.

(12-02-2013 09:42 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Didn't I just say that Nebraska's opponents chalked up 10 wins playing fewer games?

According to Sagarin, Nebraska 1995 played the 9th toughest schedule in the country. Currently, FSU is sitting at #66. Colley Matrix says FSU's schedule is #73, and it won't get much higher. There is simply no comparison.

You and I both know Duke is a ridiculous excuse for a top team, a team with an inflated record from beating other ACC patsies.

If Duke were in the SEC, how many losses do you think they'd have? 5 or 6?

Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more.

Not the SOS part. There is no question that Nebraska 95 played a far tougher schedule than FSU has this year. FSU's schedule this year has been very soft, especially compared to SEC competition.

Ultimately that's not what I'm getting at. The ACC, while not the SEC, is still not chopped liver either. Pitt beat Notre Dame. Miami beat Florida (back when Florida was still halfway decent). Clemson beat Georgia. GT should have beaten Georgia but lost in OT. Clemson went on the road to SC and lost a tough game (final score doesn't indicate how close that game really was). Wake Forest lost on a last min FG at Vandy. FSU is blowing away their competition at a 42.7 points per game clip. While not against the greatest schedule, that's still pretty ridiculous.

Turnover margin was +6 with SC not turning the ball over once. If anything, the final score doesn't indicate what a blowout that game really was. Just saying. Notre Dame is weak this year. Florida is having their worst season since 1979. GT losing in OT to a hobbled Georgia decimated by injuries is hardly a moral victory.

The ACC is not chopped liver but it is solidly behind the SEC and even PAC in terms of competition and more on par with the Big XII and B1G.

So basically you agree with me. Having FSU win by almost 43 points a game in a power conference is ridiculous.

Other points:

That SC/Clemson game was no where near a blow out. The game was tied in the 4th quarter. Clemson was driving for the tying score when Boyd fumbled. Heck I can go back to Clemson jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 which helped SC get their go ahead TD.

When Miami beat Florida they still had everyone

You say Notre Dame is weak yet they're the only team to beat Michigan State (playing in the B1G championship game). They also beat Arizona State (playing in the Pac12 championship game)

(12-01-2013 02:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 02:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I've seen a few question their schedule, but we could be witnessing the most dominant season in history.

Most of us can probably remember the 1995 Nebraska team that crushed everyone. They won by an avg. of 38.7 points a game. That was probably the last ridiculously dominating team until this year. FSU is currently winning by an avg. of 42.7 points per game. If that holds up, it may be the most dominant year ever.

Nebraska was far more dominating, because they played a much tougher schedule in 1995 than FSU has this year. They beat four teams that finished with 10 wins, and that's when teams played fewer games than today.

Remember, domination means nothing unless we analyze who was dominated. If Michigan State played Grambling every game their average MOV would be about 60, but that wouldn't make them an all-time dominator.

Well let's see. Clemson has 10 wins. Duke has 10 wins. If Miami wins their bowl game they'll have 10 wins. Whomever FSU plays in the NCG will have 10 wins. That would be 4 teams too. That Nebraska team played some really bad teams as well.

Who have Clemson and Duke beaten? An overrated UGA team? Memphis? Navy? VT? Wake?

Sorry but those teams don't come close to the skins on the wall that 95' Nebraska's opponents had.

(12-02-2013 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:42 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more.

Not the SOS part. There is no question that Nebraska 95 played a far tougher schedule than FSU has this year. FSU's schedule this year has been very soft, especially compared to SEC competition.

Ultimately that's not what I'm getting at. The ACC, while not the SEC, is still not chopped liver either. Pitt beat Notre Dame. Miami beat Florida (back when Florida was still halfway decent). Clemson beat Georgia. GT should have beaten Georgia but lost in OT. Clemson went on the road to SC and lost a tough game (final score doesn't indicate how close that game really was). Wake Forest lost on a last min FG at Vandy. FSU is blowing away their competition at a 42.7 points per game clip. While not against the greatest schedule, that's still pretty ridiculous.

Turnover margin was +6 with SC not turning the ball over once. If anything, the final score doesn't indicate what a blowout that game really was. Just saying. Notre Dame is weak this year. Florida is having their worst season since 1979. GT losing in OT to a hobbled Georgia decimated by injuries is hardly a moral victory.

The ACC is not chopped liver but it is solidly behind the SEC and even PAC in terms of competition and more on par with the Big XII and B1G.

So basically you agree with me. Having FSU win by almost 43 points a game in a power conference is ridiculous.

Other points:

That SC/Clemson game was no where near a blow out. The game was tied in the 4th quarter. Clemson was driving for the tying score when Boyd fumbled. Heck I can go back to Clemson jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 which helped SC get their go ahead TD.

When Miami beat Florida they still had everyone

You say Notre Dame is weak yet they're the only team to beat Michigan State (playing in the B1G championship game). They also beat Arizona State (playing in the Pac12 championship game)

This again, are you ten man? No one here is impressed with FSU's easy schedule besides you and Lumperpack who seem to have very similar post.

(12-02-2013 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:42 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2013 03:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Dude Sagarin has changed his formula so many times in the past few years you can't even compare it any more.

Not the SOS part. There is no question that Nebraska 95 played a far tougher schedule than FSU has this year. FSU's schedule this year has been very soft, especially compared to SEC competition.

Ultimately that's not what I'm getting at. The ACC, while not the SEC, is still not chopped liver either. Pitt beat Notre Dame. Miami beat Florida (back when Florida was still halfway decent). Clemson beat Georgia. GT should have beaten Georgia but lost in OT. Clemson went on the road to SC and lost a tough game (final score doesn't indicate how close that game really was). Wake Forest lost on a last min FG at Vandy. FSU is blowing away their competition at a 42.7 points per game clip. While not against the greatest schedule, that's still pretty ridiculous.

Turnover margin was +6 with SC not turning the ball over once. If anything, the final score doesn't indicate what a blowout that game really was. Just saying. Notre Dame is weak this year. Florida is having their worst season since 1979. GT losing in OT to a hobbled Georgia decimated by injuries is hardly a moral victory.

The ACC is not chopped liver but it is solidly behind the SEC and even PAC in terms of competition and more on par with the Big XII and B1G.

So basically you agree with me. Having FSU win by almost 43 points a game in a power conference is ridiculous.

Other points:

That SC/Clemson game was no where near a blow out. The game was tied in the 4th quarter. Clemson was driving for the tying score when Boyd fumbled. Heck I can go back to Clemson jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 which helped SC get their go ahead TD.

When Miami beat Florida they still had everyone

You say Notre Dame is weak yet they're the only team to beat Michigan State (playing in the B1G championship game). They also beat Arizona State (playing in the Pac12 championship game)

SC isn't that good this year and still beat Clemson. The SEC East isn't very strong and they managed to lose twice in it to teams that aren't that strong. They are good but not a world beater.

ND lost to OU at home and while OU is ok, it's kind of like a better USCe. Good team but not great and ND wasn't up to it.

Miami should have lost to a bad Wake team and hangs their entire rep on beating Florida who is NOT a good team this year so that win does very little for me.

Look, FSU should be commended for boatracing their schedule but other than maybe Clemson I don't see any foes that impress me. That doesn't mean FSU doesn't deserve it (tOSU's is worse) but it also doesn't mean they ran some kind of murderer's row.

Duke will upset FSU. Michigan State will upset Ohio State. Auburn will beat Missouri...and we'll end up with an Auburn/Alabama rematch, just like Alabama/LSU a few years ago. And once again, after losing a close regular season game, Alabama will blow away Auburn.

(12-02-2013 11:28 AM)S11 Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:47 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:42 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:35 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-02-2013 09:05 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Not the SOS part. There is no question that Nebraska 95 played a far tougher schedule than FSU has this year. FSU's schedule this year has been very soft, especially compared to SEC competition.

Ultimately that's not what I'm getting at. The ACC, while not the SEC, is still not chopped liver either. Pitt beat Notre Dame. Miami beat Florida (back when Florida was still halfway decent). Clemson beat Georgia. GT should have beaten Georgia but lost in OT. Clemson went on the road to SC and lost a tough game (final score doesn't indicate how close that game really was). Wake Forest lost on a last min FG at Vandy. FSU is blowing away their competition at a 42.7 points per game clip. While not against the greatest schedule, that's still pretty ridiculous.

Turnover margin was +6 with SC not turning the ball over once. If anything, the final score doesn't indicate what a blowout that game really was. Just saying. Notre Dame is weak this year. Florida is having their worst season since 1979. GT losing in OT to a hobbled Georgia decimated by injuries is hardly a moral victory.

The ACC is not chopped liver but it is solidly behind the SEC and even PAC in terms of competition and more on par with the Big XII and B1G.

So basically you agree with me. Having FSU win by almost 43 points a game in a power conference is ridiculous.

Other points:

That SC/Clemson game was no where near a blow out. The game was tied in the 4th quarter. Clemson was driving for the tying score when Boyd fumbled. Heck I can go back to Clemson jumping offsides on a 4th and 1 which helped SC get their go ahead TD.

When Miami beat Florida they still had everyone

You say Notre Dame is weak yet they're the only team to beat Michigan State (playing in the B1G championship game). They also beat Arizona State (playing in the Pac12 championship game)

SC isn't that good this year and still beat Clemson. The SEC East isn't very strong and they managed to lose twice in it to teams that aren't that strong. They are good but not a world beater.

ND lost to OU at home and while OU is ok, it's kind of like a better USCe. Good team but not great and ND wasn't up to it.

Miami should have lost to a bad Wake team and hangs their entire rep on beating Florida who is NOT a good team this year so that win does very little for me.

Look, FSU should be commended for boatracing their schedule but other than maybe Clemson I don't see any foes that impress me. That doesn't mean FSU doesn't deserve it (tOSU's is worse) but it also doesn't mean they ran some kind of murderer's row.

So SC goes 10-2 in the SEC and BEAT Missouri but for some reason they're not that good?

I don't think you guys are getting what I'm saying. So you don't give ND any credit for beating Mich St and Ariz State. You don't give Pitt any credit for being ND. South Carolina somehow is just decent now. Even though Clemson beat Georgia and everyone else on it's schedule they're terrible too. Sheesh.

I don't think we'll have any more big surprises.

FSU will play Ohio St..

The only downside is, if we have movement on Winston we'll have a total waste of a NCG.

Using that Nebraska team is not a good example. If you look at that entire decade for them, they had some stupidly weak ooc games. Also Osborn(and even Bowden at FSU), would run up the score.

I am not totally sold on FSU, but they ran the table to get there(assuming they beat Duke)