ND has no obligation to take the Pinstripe Bowl. However, I also find the chances that ND would pass up the Pinstripe Bowl slot to be near zero.

(11-17-2013 08:39 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  ND has no obligation to take the Pinstripe Bowl. However, I also find the chances that ND would pass up the Pinstripe Bowl slot to be near zero.

Me too.

(11-17-2013 04:56 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ND has a contract for the Pinstripe should the Big 12 not be able to fill it's spots.

Link?

According to this

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4517004

"Notre Dame could also be involved in the game. If the Big 12 does not have enough eligible teams to fill its slot, the Irish could face the Big East in the Yankee Bowl."

(11-17-2013 11:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  According to this

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4517004

"Notre Dame could also be involved in the game. If the Big 12 does not have enough eligible teams to fill its slot, the Irish could face the Big East in the Yankee Bowl."

Right, we all know that there is a backup deal with the Pinstripe, that ND will be invited if the Big 12 doesn't fill its slot, but that doesn't mean Notre Dame HAS to take that spot.

(11-18-2013 12:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  According to this

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4517004

"Notre Dame could also be involved in the game. If the Big 12 does not have enough eligible teams to fill its slot, the Irish could face the Big East in the Yankee Bowl."

Right, we all know that there is a backup deal with the Pinstripe, that ND will be invited if the Big 12 doesn't fill its slot, but that doesn't mean Notre Dame HAS to take that spot.

Wikipedia also has Notre Dame as the backup. By the way, isnt that what a back up bowl tie with an independent school means? If the primary conference cannot fill its slot, the bowl agrees to invite the Indy school and the Indy school in question agrees to fill the slot unless invited to a BCS bowl. Otherwise, why would the bowl need to sign an agreement with that school? A bowl doesnt need a standing agreement to have it's offer turned down.

What your describing is an at large offer. An at large invite can be turned down. Any open bowl can invite ANY uncommitted school and that school has the option to turn the bowl down in favor of a better offer. There is no standing agreement in these "at large" situations and there is no "relationship" between the bowl and invitee other than that single invitation. That does not seem to be the case here. In this case, it appears Notre Dame and the Pinstripe have some sort of standing agreement covering this situation.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinstripe_Bowl

(11-18-2013 02:14 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-18-2013 12:18 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-17-2013 11:46 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  According to this

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4517004

"Notre Dame could also be involved in the game. If the Big 12 does not have enough eligible teams to fill its slot, the Irish could face the Big East in the Yankee Bowl."

Right, we all know that there is a backup deal with the Pinstripe, that ND will be invited if the Big 12 doesn't fill its slot, but that doesn't mean Notre Dame HAS to take that spot.

Wikipedia also has Notre Dame as the backup. By the way, isnt that what a back up bowl tie with an independent school means? If the primary conference cannot fill its slot, the bowl agrees to invite the Indy school and the Indy school in question agrees to fill the slot unless invited to a BCS bowl. Otherwise, why would the bowl need to sign an agreement with that school? A bowl doesnt need a standing agreement to have it's offer turned down.

What your describing is an at large offer. An at large invite can be turned down. Any open bowl can invite ANY uncommitted school and that school has the option to turn the bowl down in favor of a better offer. There is no standing agreement in these "at large" situations and there is no "relationship" between the bowl and invitee other than that single invitation. That does not seem to be the case here. In this case, it appears Notre Dame and the Pinstripe have some sort of standing agreement covering this situation.

The backup plan could be one-way: In the event that the Big 12 doesn't fill its slot, the Pinstripe agrees to invite Notre Dame, but Notre Dame is not obligated to go.

I get your point about exactly what the substance of a backup agreement would be if ND doesn't have to go, but on the other hand, what would Notre Dame's consideration be from this? Why would they agree to tie themselves to the Pinstripe should the Big 12 not fill its slot, agreeing to accept its bid over all other (non-BCS) bowls including more desirable ones - like say two years ago when the Champs Bowl in Orlando opened up for them or three years ago when the Sun Bowl was available- for nothing in return, which is basically what your scenario implies?

All of this is IMO academic, btw, as the Pinstripe is clearly the best bowl option for Notre Dame and it would be a shock if they turned it down, especially since the Pinstripe will be an ACC bowl going forward and ND would not want to slap an affiliated bowl in the face by declining an invitation. But of course "academic" can still be interesting so I hope someone can dig up a definitive answer.

The Champs and Sun bowl bids were not at large bids that "opened up" for Notre Dame. They were contractual tie-ins as part of Notre Dame's partial member status with the Big East (The Gator/Sun got to take ND 2 out of the 4 years in the contract, The Champs got to take ND 1 out of 4).

The at large bids that open up each year are never at the Champs/Sun level of bowl.

actually I think the Sun Bowl one year was a bid that opened up for Notre Dame. 2010 season- 1st year of this 4 year run. That was the year the Pac 10 had only 5 bowl eligible teams, and 2 went to the BCS.

(11-26-2013 09:06 AM)stever20 Wrote:  actually I think the Sun Bowl one year was a bid that opened up for Notre Dame. 2010 season- 1st year of this 4 year run. That was the year the Pac 10 had only 5 bowl eligible teams, and 2 went to the BCS.

Now THAT is a top-heavy conference!

If UC can't win out the AAC, I'd like to see a Notre Dame v. Cincinnati Pinstripe Bowl. Would be huge for several reasons:

1) Obviously the Brian Kelly angle.
2) Greater Cincinnati has been a pipeline for Notre Dame for decades. Cincinnati has a very large Catholic population. A lot of people around here would be very interested in this matchup.
3) The two schools are geographically close to one another. Always good to see two schools within a 3-4 hours get it on.

(11-26-2013 09:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  If UC can't win out the AAC, I'd like to see a Notre Dame v. Cincinnati Pinstripe Bowl. Would be huge for several reasons:

1) Obviously the Brian Kelly angle.
2) Greater Cincinnati has been a pipeline for Notre Dame for decades. Cincinnati has a very large Catholic population. A lot of people around here would be very interested in this matchup.
3) The two schools are geographically close to one another. Always good to see two schools within a 3-4 hours get it on.

I would pass on seeing them "get it on"..

Besides the juvenile joke I think a Cincy and ND game would be good. More hype then any other possible game out there for us.

(11-26-2013 09:37 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  3) The two schools are geographically close to one another. Always good to see two schools within a 3-4 hours get it on.

I fail to see how that is all that relevant considering the game would be in the Bronx!

I think what we'll be seeing-
UCF- Sugar
Louisville- Champs
Cincy- Belk
Rutgers- Pinstripe
Houston- BBVA
If SMU can beat Houston- they would go to Beef O'Brady's.

If Rutgers loses out, Pinstripe would only have Houston as a choice- or SMU if they beat them.

BK on our bowl options. He wants warm weather it seems.

Quote:Almost every published bowl projection now has the Irish landing in the New Era Pinstripe Bowl, Dec. 28 against a team from what used to be the Big East — the American Athletic Conference.

Losses by Indiana, Northwestern and Tennessee over the weekend expanded those bowl options by virtue of the Big Ten and SEC not being able to fill all their contracted bowl slots.

Could there be a dark horse that derails what seems like a natural matchup?

Kelly said Sunday there are times that bowl destinations can give his team a recruiting bump, depending on the location (El Paso is a good example where that was not the case), but when he gives his input to athletic director Jack Swarbrick, Kelly said that won’t be a consideration at all this time.

“I want this to be a reward for our seniors,” Kelly said, “so the bowl opportunity for our team is going to be, in large degree, the input that I’ve gotten from our seniors and where they’d like to go and where they’d like to play.”

So if you’re a 22-year-old and mulling Shreveport, La., Dallas, Detroit, Memphis, Birmingham, New York, San Diego, etc., it certainly would seem to bring the low-paying, but geographically alluring Poinsettia Bowl back into play.

Also when you look at the ACC bowl alignment for 2014 and beyond, of which ND will be a part starting next season, New York and Detroit are on the list as is Florida three times, El Paso, North Carolina and Tennessee. California, where the Poinsettia is played, is not.

The Poinsettia matches the No. 2 pick from the Mountain West Conference against Army,. which is already out of the bowl picture. The logistical problem if ND did have interest is the bowl’s backup contract with the Mid-American Conference.

“We would not renege on our agreement with the Mid-American Conference,” Poinsettia Bowl executive director Bruce Binkowski said Sunday night. “We have a long-standing relationship with them, either as a backup or a primary team through 2019. And I wouldn’t do anything to jeopardize that.”

He also said he hasn’t been in discussions with anyone but the MAC to this point, but knows there can be backdoor deals struck between teams, leagues and bowls.

“The only way those work is if everybody could be made happy and whole,” he said.

The MAC already has six bowl-eligible teams and likely will add a seventh in former Kelly coaching stop Central Michigan. There are three contracted MAC slots, four if you count the Poinsettia and five if Northern Illinois transcends into the BCS lineup.

http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/c...f6878.html

There are some rumors that ND may be looking at the Hawaii Bowl instead.

Nothing but talk so far. I doubt the validity of this, but the rumor exists.

(11-26-2013 09:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think what we'll be seeing-
UCF- Sugar
Louisville- Champs
Cincy- Belk
Rutgers- Pinstripe
Houston- BBVA
If SMU can beat Houston- they would go to Beef O'Brady's.

If Rutgers loses out, Pinstripe would only have Houston as a choice- or SMU if they beat them.

Its bad enough we will get stuck in that Birmingham dump most every year we are eligible due to having no western bowls, but Im really hoping we don't have to go there this year. If things work out I think Houston could end up in the Liberty.

(11-27-2013 11:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There are some rumors that ND may be looking at the Hawaii Bowl instead.

Nothing but talk so far. I doubt the validity of this, but the rumor exists.

they had a great experience a few years ago there didn't they?

Of course, that would require an open spot, and that's not likely to happen. CUSA #2(filled) vs MWC #5.

For MWC #5 to go unfilled-
1- Fresno must go to BCS
2- San Jose St must lose to Fresno 10-0
3- Wyoming must lose to Utah St 7-4
4- Colorado St must lose to Air Force 2-9

If any of those 4 things don't happen- MWC will fill the Hawaii spot. Suppose there could be some horse trading.

(11-27-2013 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 11:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There are some rumors that ND may be looking at the Hawaii Bowl instead.

Nothing but talk so far. I doubt the validity of this, but the rumor exists.

they had a great experience a few years ago there didn't they?

Of course, that would require an open spot, and that's not likely to happen. CUSA #2(filled) vs MWC #5.

For MWC #5 to go unfilled-
1- Fresno must go to BCS
2- San Jose St must lose to Fresno 10-0
3- Wyoming must lose to Utah St 7-4
4- Colorado St must lose to Air Force 2-9

If any of those 4 things don't happen- MWC will fill the Hawaii spot. Suppose there could be some horse trading.

We would be paying a large chunk of money to arrange it.

(11-27-2013 12:10 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-27-2013 11:19 AM)TerryD Wrote:  There are some rumors that ND may be looking at the Hawaii Bowl instead.

Nothing but talk so far. I doubt the validity of this, but the rumor exists.

they had a great experience a few years ago there didn't they?

Of course, that would require an open spot, and that's not likely to happen. CUSA #2(filled) vs MWC #5.

For MWC #5 to go unfilled-
1- Fresno must go to BCS
2- San Jose St must lose to Fresno 10-0
3- Wyoming must lose to Utah St 7-4
4- Colorado St must lose to Air Force 2-9

If any of those 4 things don't happen- MWC will fill the Hawaii spot. Suppose there could be some horse trading.

We would be paying a large chunk of money to arrange it.

I think it'd require all MWC teams getting slots. Also- may hinge on who wins this weekend and just how many bowl slots are filled- just how many open slots are there. It's possible, but I don't know if it's probable. I think the Poinsettia Bowl is a more likely destination.