So I figured I'd offer my own challenge.
The premise is that the Power conferences are getting ready to create their own subdivision. They are leaving the majority of the G5 behind, but they are going to take a few with them. This subdivision will have its own champs-only playoff.
Here are the rules:
1. This upper division must consist of at least 70 schools, but no more than 80 schools.
2. The Big 12 must be completely eliminated.
3. There must be 4 conferences left in its wake, no more and no less.
4. Each addition must be somewhat reasonable given basic parameters of geography although a state being contiguous is not required.
5. The SEC and B1G are not allowed to lose schools in this scenario. The ACC and PAC are fair game.
6. The conferences do not have to be the same size.
(01-19-2018 05:24 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]So I figured I'd offer my own challenge.
The premise is that the Power conferences are getting ready to create their own subdivision. They are leaving the majority of the G5 behind, but they are going to take a few with them. This subdivision will have its own champs-only playoff.
Here are the rules:
1. This upper division must consist of at least 70 schools, but no more than 80 schools.
2. The Big 12 must be completely eliminated.
3. There must be 4 conferences left in its wake, no more and no less.
4. Each addition must be somewhat reasonable given basic parameters of geography although a state being contiguous is not required.
5. The SEC and B1G are not allowed to lose schools in this scenario. The ACC and PAC are fair game.
6. The conferences do not have to be the same size.
Ok I'll try:
First, the Big 12:
ACC: west virginia
PAC: Texas, Tech, TCU, Kansas State
SEC: OK, Ok State, Kansas
Big 10: Iowa State,
Baylor doesn't make the new division.
The ACC also takes ND. This is 64 teams. Rules require 70.
G5s:
ACC: Houston, UCF (18)
Big 10: UConn (16)
PAC: SDSU, BYU (football only) (18)
SEC: USF (18)
70 teams total.
(01-19-2018 07:33 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2018 05:24 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]So I figured I'd offer my own challenge.
The premise is that the Power conferences are getting ready to create their own subdivision. They are leaving the majority of the G5 behind, but they are going to take a few with them. This subdivision will have its own champs-only playoff.
Here are the rules:
1. This upper division must consist of at least 70 schools, but no more than 80 schools.
2. The Big 12 must be completely eliminated.
3. There must be 4 conferences left in its wake, no more and no less.
4. Each addition must be somewhat reasonable given basic parameters of geography although a state being contiguous is not required.
5. The SEC and B1G are not allowed to lose schools in this scenario. The ACC and PAC are fair game.
6. The conferences do not have to be the same size.
Ok I'll try:
First, the Big 12:
ACC: west virginia
PAC: Texas, Tech, TCU, Kansas State
SEC: OK, Ok State, Kansas
Big 10: Iowa State,
Baylor doesn't make the new division.
The ACC also takes ND. This is 64 teams. Rules require 70.
G5s:
ACC: Houston, UCF (18)
Big 10: UConn (16)
PAC: SDSU, BYU (football only) (18)
SEC: USF (18)
70 teams total.
Big 12: dead ? xxx
SEC: OU, OSU
ACC: Notre Dame, West Virginia, UConn, Cincinnati
B1G: Kansas, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Colorado,
Big Southwest Pacific Conference:
1) West: Utah, Colorado State, Washington State, Oregon State, Arizona State, Arizona,
2) East: BYU, Boise State, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas State, Iowa State
3) Partial: Texas, USC
(01-19-2018 05:24 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]So I figured I'd offer my own challenge.
The premise is that the Power conferences are getting ready to create their own subdivision. They are leaving the majority of the G5 behind, but they are going to take a few with them. This subdivision will have its own champs-only playoff.
Here are the rules:
1. This upper division must consist of at least 70 schools, but no more than 80 schools.
2. The Big 12 must be completely eliminated.
3. There must be 4 conferences left in its wake, no more and no less.
4. Each addition must be somewhat reasonable given basic parameters of geography although a state being contiguous is not required.
5. The SEC and B1G are not allowed to lose schools in this scenario. The ACC and PAC are fair game.
6. The conferences do not have to be the same size.
SEC:
East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina
Central: Alabama, Kentucky, N.C. State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
West: Arkansas, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Big 10:
East: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Rutgers, Virginia
Central: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
PAC:
East: Iowa State, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Tech
North: California, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Cal Los Angeles, Colorado, Southern Cal, Utah
AAC:
North: Boston College, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
East: Central Florida, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, South Florida, Wake Forest
West: Baylor, Brigham Young, Colorado State, Houston, Kansas State, T.C.U.
That's 72 schools and all we really need in the top 72. Boise State and San Diego State might make a claim, but if the PAC won't pick them up they are too far away to fit in the new P4 conference.
B1G
West: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Colorado
South: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
North: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
East: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
SEC
West: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Missouri
Central: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama
North: Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
South: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina St
East: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Virginia
PAC: San Diego St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, New Mexico, Iowa St, Kansas St, Baylor, TCU
ACC: SMU, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, Wake Forest, East Carolina, South Florida, Central Florida
Hmmm...maybe not...
PAC
Pacific Division
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
California
Stanford
UCLA
Southern California
Arizona
Western Division
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
SEC
Western Division
Texas A&M
Texas Christian
Arkansas
Missouri
Louisiana State
Ole Miss
Miss State
Alabama
Auburn
Eastern Division
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia
South Carolina
NC State
Virginia Tech
Big 10
Legend-wait for it-ary Division
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Nebraska
Iowa
Iowa State
Kansas
Illinois
Northwestern
Purdue
Dear Leader Division
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Connecticut
Syracuse
ACC
Nearish The Atlantic Division
Boston College
Cincinatti
Note Dame
Temple
Virginia
North Carolina
Wake Forest
East Carolina
Duke
Sort of Coastal Division
Louisville
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
UCF
USF
Baylor
SMU
(01-20-2018 11:20 AM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]PAC
Pacific Division
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
California
Stanford
UCLA
Southern California
Arizona
Western Division
Arizona State
Colorado
Utah
BYU
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
SEC
Western Division
Texas A&M
Texas Christian
Arkansas
Missouri
Louisiana State
Ole Miss
Miss State
Alabama
Auburn
Eastern Division
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia
South Carolina
NC State
Virginia Tech
Big 10
Legend-wait for it-ary Division
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Nebraska
Iowa
Iowa State
Kansas
Illinois
Northwestern
Purdue
Dear Leader Division
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers
Connecticut
Syracuse
ACC
Nearish The Atlantic Division
Boston College
Cincinatti
Note Dame
Temple
Virginia
North Carolina
Wake Forest
East Carolina
Duke
Sort of Coastal Division
Louisville
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
Miami
UCF
USF
Baylor
SMU
+1 for B1G division names
Curious why SMU and Temple instead of Houston and Memphis?
Eh you could definitely swap those two in or any combo thereof and it'd work just as fine
I can't find more than 60 teams:
ACC
Notre Dame, Louisville, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Florida State
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech Miami
SEC
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn Alabama
West Virginia Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt,Missouri
Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas
B1G
Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin
Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State
Michigan, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
Big PAC
Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA
USC, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon
(01-20-2018 10:29 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]I can't find more than 60 teams:
ACC
Notre Dame, Louisville, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Florida State
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech Miami
SEC
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn Alabama
West Virginia Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt,Missouri
Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas
B1G
Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin
Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State
Michigan, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
Big PAC
Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA
USC, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon
Well, there's 10 more hiding somewhere. You're going to have to keep looking.
(01-20-2018 10:29 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]I can't find more than 60 teams:
ACC
Notre Dame, Louisville, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Navy
VT, NC State, Wake Forest, Clemson, Florida State, Uconn
UVa, Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, Tulane
SEC
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn Alabama, USF
West Virginia Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt,Missouri, Iowa State
Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Baylor
B1G
Kansas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas State
Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State, Temple
Michigan, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern, Cincinnati
Big PAC
Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Houston
Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA, Washington State
USC, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State
Well there you go in order to fall within the "rules", but it was impossible to improve on perfection.
In general, I just don’t see any “historical” power schools being left out. New power schools and last generation Big East schools seem to be the most vulnerable.
I doubt Ala or Ohio state want a system where you have to win your conf to get a shot at National title.
Prob true statement for OLK, Tex, ND, USC, and a few others as well.
SEC (20)
Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, SC, Kentucky
Alabama, Auburn, LSU, USF, UCF
A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Miss State, Vanderbilt
Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma State
B1G (15)
Penn State, Ohio State, Maryland, Rutgers, UCONN
Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois
PAC (18)
Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, Washington State, Oregon State
USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, TT
Colorado, Kansas State, Iowa State, Houston, TCU, Baylor
ACC (18)
FSU, Clemson, GT, Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis
NC, Duke, Virginia, WF, VT, NC State
ND, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, WV
All B12 schools placed in a 71 school P4. USF, UCF, UCONN, Cincinnati , Memphis & Houston move up. Conference SF are added for 3+ division conferences, hence UCONN to the B1G.
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