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Boston University needs to change from Boston University to CTU University. It is a huge money maker for them....

If this is accurate, then football as we know it may not exist in 20 years.

(01-18-2018 12:39 PM)forphase1 Wrote: [ -> ]If this is accurate, then football as we know it may not exist in 20 years.

Or Soccer, basketball, lacrosse.....actually all sports in general then. Even some occupations.

(01-18-2018 12:34 PM)No Bull Wrote: [ -> ]Boston University needs to change from Boston University to CTU University. It is a huge money maker for them....

Research does tend to be a big driver at research institutions, yes.

(01-18-2018 12:39 PM)forphase1 Wrote: [ -> ]If this is accurate, then football as we know it may not exist in 20 years.

Football survived a presidential intervention because people were dying on the field. It will survive this.

I have no problem with people seeing these risks for what they are and saying it's too dangerous for them personally, but this sport will continue to be broadly popular, even if it might not have quite the same prominent place in our sporting pantheon it has now.

Until you study incidences and rates of CTE in other sports and in the non athletic population all of this is conjecture.

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(01-18-2018 12:52 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:39 PM)forphase1 Wrote: [ -> ]If this is accurate, then football as we know it may not exist in 20 years.

Football survived a presidential intervention because people were dying on the field. It will survive this.

I have no problem with people seeing these risks for what they are and saying it's too dangerous for them personally, but this sport will continue to be broadly popular, even if it might not have quite the same prominent place in our sporting pantheon it has now.

I don't know. I mean I HOPE you are right, but I'm not sure. After all, we are now a society that is outlawing dodge ball in order to protect our precious snowflake kids. I'm not sure how many primary schools (high schools, middle schools, etc) going forward will be willing to sponsor a sport that studies are showing is so damaging to kids. While I agree that adults should be able to chose risks (and then deal with the consequences) from a legal/insurance standpoint, youth football may be in serious danger. And if no youths are playing the sport, then the talent pool dramatically decreases. I love football, played it myself and watch it as often as I can. But I'm not sure that the future of football is quite as solid and secure as others on this thread are claiming.

(01-18-2018 12:57 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Until you study incidences and rates of CTE in other sports and in the non athletic population all of this is conjecture.

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Do you need a series of tightly controlled double-blind experiments to know that jumping off a 1,000 foot cliff without a parachute is likely to lead to serious injury or death?

Not everything needs to be validated by years of research to know it's true.

(01-18-2018 12:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:39 PM)forphase1 Wrote: [ -> ]If this is accurate, then football as we know it may not exist in 20 years.

Or Soccer, basketball, lacrosse.....actually all sports in general then. Even some occupations.

Sure, it's not just football that's at risk, though being the 'top dog' it's going to get most of the press. And, of course, the NFL has really deep pockets, so it's a easy target. Soccer, hockey and lacrosse may be in danger too. Not sure if basketball or, say, baseball, have the needed amount of head impacts to be at risk.

(01-18-2018 01:08 PM)forphase1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:52 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:39 PM)forphase1 Wrote: [ -> ]If this is accurate, then football as we know it may not exist in 20 years.

Football survived a presidential intervention because people were dying on the field. It will survive this.

I have no problem with people seeing these risks for what they are and saying it's too dangerous for them personally, but this sport will continue to be broadly popular, even if it might not have quite the same prominent place in our sporting pantheon it has now.

I don't know. I mean I HOPE you are right, but I'm not sure. After all, we are now a society that is outlawing dodge ball in order to protect our precious snowflake kids. I'm not sure how many primary schools (high schools, middle schools, etc) going forward will be willing to sponsor a sport that studies are showing is so damaging to kids. While I agree that adults should be able to chose risks (and then deal with the consequences) from a legal/insurance standpoint, youth football may be in serious danger. And if no youths are playing the sport, then the talent pool dramatically decreases. I love football, played it myself and watch it as often as I can. But I'm not sure that the future of football is quite as solid and secure as others on this thread are claiming.

Other than flag football, I think its pretty clear organized pre-middle school football should go away. With school budgets being what they are, MS football may start disappearing.

We may start seeing MS football turn into those 7 on 7 summer leagues with flags.

(01-18-2018 12:57 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Until you study incidences and rates of CTE in other sports and in the non athletic population all of this is conjecture.

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"Football will cease to exist" is certainly conjecture, but the link between football and brain damage isn't going to be conjecture just because there may be a link between other sports and brain damage as well. You don't need to know everything that gives you lung cancer to know smoking gives you lung cancer.

(01-18-2018 01:33 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:57 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Until you study incidences and rates of CTE in other sports and in the non athletic population all of this is conjecture.

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"Football will cease to exist" is certainly conjecture, but the link between football and brain damage isn't going to be conjecture just because there may be a link between other sports and brain damage as well. You don't need to know everything that gives you lung cancer to know smoking gives you lung cancer.

So--here is the problem with all this---some football players get it, some play a lifetime and suffer no ill effects. So clearly there is some other factors at play here. Could be genetics. Could be style of play. Could be multiple factors including concussions, auto accidents, or activities outside of football that contribute to the cumulative affect (including alcohol, drugs, or medications). Also, my guess is the way football has become more of a year around sport might have an affect as well--especially if the athlete plays other sports that might create similar micro-head traumas (hockey, soccer, Lacrosse, etc). The increasing size and strength of the athletes may also be a factor. Its very possible that year around play of multiple sports that create brain micro-traumas don't allow the the brain a reasonable time to heal and lead to the development of long term cognitive issues. Bottom line--I suspect what we dont know is greater than what we do know with regard to this issue.

(01-18-2018 01:33 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:57 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Until you study incidences and rates of CTE in other sports and in the non athletic population all of this is conjecture.

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"Football will cease to exist" is certainly conjecture, but the link between football and brain damage isn't going to be conjecture just because there may be a link between other sports and brain damage as well. You don't need to know everything that gives you lung cancer to know smoking gives you lung cancer.

This all started because of ex players complaining of memory loss, players in their 40s committing suicide. Brains were examined and CTE was found and a vorrelation made. What is unexplained in my mind is why players in their 70s haven't or aren't experiencing the same. Or why all players with CTE are not experiencing the same symptoms. So yes more study is warranted.

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(01-18-2018 01:44 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 01:33 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:57 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Until you study incidences and rates of CTE in other sports and in the non athletic population all of this is conjecture.

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"Football will cease to exist" is certainly conjecture, but the link between football and brain damage isn't going to be conjecture just because there may be a link between other sports and brain damage as well. You don't need to know everything that gives you lung cancer to know smoking gives you lung cancer.

This all started because of ex players complaining of memory loss, players in their 40s committing suicide. Brains were examined and CTE was found and a vorrelation made. What is unexplained in my mind is why players in their 70s haven't or aren't experiencing the same. Or why all players with CTE are not experiencing the same symptoms. So yes more study is warranted.

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CTE is still relatively new as opposed to what older players were diagnosed with prior, Parkinson's, which we do know can result from repeated hits to the head/brain. They were already, "three times more likely to die from neurodegenerative diseases than the general US population and four times more likely to die from Alzheimer’s disease and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)" from a 2012 study, which was before the documentation of players concussions. The '72 Dolphins are slowly showing the neurodegenerative diseases or died from them.

https://www.mdedge.com/neurologyreviews/...lzheimers#

(01-18-2018 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Bottom line--I suspect what we dont know is greater than what we do know with regard to this issue.

(01-18-2018 01:44 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]So yes more study is warranted.

I definitely agree, this should continue to be looked in to, and I don't think there's a single person anywhere who claims to have "solved" the connection between sports and head injuries. However, it's become pretty clear that there is a connection between sports with these sort of high-speed collisions (and football is built around those collisions) and brain damage. There are also smokers who live long lives and pass away without ever going on oxygen or needing cancer treatment, but that doesn't mean smoking is safe.

(01-18-2018 01:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 01:33 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:57 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Until you study incidences and rates of CTE in other sports and in the non athletic population all of this is conjecture.

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"Football will cease to exist" is certainly conjecture, but the link between football and brain damage isn't going to be conjecture just because there may be a link between other sports and brain damage as well. You don't need to know everything that gives you lung cancer to know smoking gives you lung cancer.

So--here is the problem with all this---some football players get it, some play a lifetime and suffer no ill effects. So clearly there is some other factors at play here. Could be genetics. Could be style of play. Could be multiple factors including concussions, auto accidents, or activities outside of football that contribute to the cumulative affect (including alcohol, drugs, or medications).

Come on. That's like saying that just because Old Uncle Joe smoked two packs a day for 50 years and never got lung cancer that we don't know that smoking is a huge bad health risk. Very few things are literally 100% deadly.

Seems to me that those who are hiding behind the skirt of "more research is needed!" are just too emotionally invested in football and are possibly in denial about the brain dangers of football - and other sports.

(01-18-2018 12:52 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:39 PM)forphase1 Wrote: [ -> ]If this is accurate, then football as we know it may not exist in 20 years.

Football survived a presidential intervention because people were dying on the field. It will survive this.

I have no problem with people seeing these risks for what they are and saying it's too dangerous for them personally, but this sport will continue to be broadly popular, even if it might not have quite the same prominent place in our sporting pantheon it has now.

Football survived BECAUSE of presidential intervention, the number of deaths declined.

Really the only thing happening now is we have better ability to determine that brain damage is happening.

(01-18-2018 12:45 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2018 12:34 PM)No Bull Wrote: [ -> ]Boston University needs to change from Boston University to CTU University. It is a huge money maker for them....

Research does tend to be a big driver at research institutions, yes.

wow... tell me more...

BTW: I work at a major research university.