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Here are my suggested rules:

1) geography no long matters in school choices, but does matter for divisions within the conference.
2) all markets are the same. So if you want Boise State, take them.
3) SEC can't lose schools. You can decide about Big 10 but make your case.

So what schools are the best expansion choices now? Getting into new states and markets no longer matter, being contigous no longer matters. Only other factors like fan base, athletic success, academic success, "culture" etc. Kind of the opposite of JRs last challenge.

Make your case!

Conferences of 16, 18, 20 or 21 are fine.
(01-17-2018 11:12 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]Here are my suggested rules:

1) geography no long matters in school choices, but does matter for divisions within the conference.
2) all markets are the same. So if you want Boise State, take them.
3) SEC can't lose schools. You can decide about Big 10 but make your case.

So what schools are the best expansion choices now? Getting into new states and markets no longer matter, being contigous no longer matters. Only other factors like fan base, athletic success, academic success, "culture" etc.

Make your case!

Conferences of 16, 18, 20 or 21 are fine.

Okay,

I'd go to 20 for the SEC with these schools:

Florida State, Clemson, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and N.C. State

Divisions:

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia

Kentucky, N.C. State, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia Tech


I took the 4 best brands for the SEC in Texas, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Florida State and then added the two best markets that fit geographically.

For the Big 10 at 20:

Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Virginia

Notre Dame, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Wisconsin



But if we went to only 18 here's what I would do:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Here I simply take the 4 best brands and group them geographically in three North / South tiers.

For the Big 10:

Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Penn State, Virginia

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

The idea completes their East Coast expansion and groups the divisions well.

At 16 I make it real simple. I keep it as local as possible

Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia

Clemson, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee

Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Missouri, Texas A&M

For the Big 10 I do the same:

Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia

Indiana, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Purdue

Illinois, Michigan, Northwestern, Ohio State

Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


The problem is that other than the PAC the rest will be a mess to organize.
SEC (20)
West: Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri
South: LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Florida St
North: Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Virginia Tech, North Carolina St
East: Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Clemson

B1G (20)
West: Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North: Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan St
East: Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers
South: Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami

PAC (16)
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
West: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
South: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
East: Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Texas Tech, TCU

ACC (16)
East: Boston College, Connecticut, Syracuse, Temple
North: Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville
West: Iowa St, Baylor, Houston, Memphis
South: Central Florida, South Florida, East Carolina, Wake Forest
SEC, B1G, ACC, and PAC expand symmetrically to four 18-team conferences. This allows for a nice and tidy 4-team champs only playoff that involves all regions of the country. The expansion demolishes the B12, but with landing spots for all. 7 teams from the outside are welcomed to the club. I went with the three military academies and 4 western teams to help the PAC to get to 18 members.

Each conference is divided into three 6-team divisions. The conference revise the rules to allow for conference semifinals that determine the CCG participants (3 division champs plus one wild card in each conference). The semifinal games are played on campus at the higher seeds home field the first weekend of December and the CCGs are played at pre-determined regional neutral venues the following weekend. SEC and ACC champs meet in the Orange Bowl and B1G and PAC champs meet in the Rose Bowl. The two CFP bowl winners meet for the national championship. Same as the current calendar. With the conference championship games in early December, the bowl system otherwise stays in place.

Each conference plays a 10-game conference schedule: 5 intra-division games and 5 cross over games. Teams play 2 OOC games against other P4 teams. Each team is allowed one EXHIBITION home game against a team outside the P4. Certain locked cross-division rivalry games stay in place. Several cross-conference rivalry games remain, such as the SEC-ACC rivalries. Texas-Oklahoma is added to the list as a SEC-B1G rivalry game.

SEC:
SOUTH: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi St., Ole Miss, LSU, Texas A&M
EAST: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
WEST: Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri, TCU, Oklahoma St., Kansas St.

CCG - rotates between Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta and AT&T Stadium in Arlington
Champion to the ORANGE Bowl in Miami

The SEC adds football king Oklahoma and decent fan bases and strong football in OSU, TCU, and KSU. The WEST division lines up well competitively with a merger of strong SWC and Big 8 programs.

2017 Conference Championship
(4)Georgia[EAST] at (1)Auburn[SOUTH]
(3)Alabama [Wild Card] at (2)Oklahoma[WEST]

ACC
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville, West Virginia
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Rutgers
NORTH: Notre Dame, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Miami, Navy

CCG - rotates between FEDEX Field in Maryland and Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta
Champion to the ORANGE Bowl in Miami

2017 Conference Championship
(4)Virginia Tech[COASTAL] at (1)Clemson[ATLANTIC]
(3)Notre Dame[Wild Card] at (2)Miami[NORTH]

The ACC lands Notre Dame as a full member. Navy makes the move possible and is a good fit with the North schools. West Virginia is a good fit with the Atlantic Division football schools and ACC basketball. Rutgers is a better fit with the AAU Coastal schools than in the B1G.

B1G
EAST: Ohio St., Michigan, Michigan St., Penn St., Maryland, Indiana
WEST: Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa
SOUTH: Texas, Nebraska, Texas Tech, Kansas, Iowa St., Army

CCG - rotates between Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis and AT&T Stadium in Arlington
Champion to the ROSE Bowl in Pasadena

2017 Conference Championship
(4)Texas[SOUTH] at (1)Wisconsin[WEST]
(3)Penn St.[Wild Card] at (2)Ohio St.[EAST]

The B1G lands the Texas prize, with Texas Tech part of the price. AAU members Kansas and Iowa St. fit well with the Texas schools and old B8 and B12 mate, Nebraska. Army is a stretch here, but satisfies the whim to have all three military academies as part of the expanded P4 structure. Army wants games in Texas and can be competitive with Kansas, Iowa St., and Texas Tech. It also gets the B1G officially into the state of New York and the NYC market with a better brand than Rutgers.

PAC
NORTH: Washington, Washington St., Oregon, Oregon St., Stanford, Cal
SOUTH: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, Colorado
MOUNTAIN: Boise St., BYU, Air Force, San Diego St., Baylor, Houston

CCG - rotates between Levi Stadium in Santa Clara and the new Raider Stadium in Las Vegas
Champion to the ROSE Bowl in Pasadena

2017 Conference Championship
(4)Boise St.[MOUNTAIN] at (1)USC[SOUTH]
(3)Washington[Wild Card] at (2)Stanford[NORTH]

The PAC absorbs FIVE callups. But, geography and the attraction of the SEC and B1G prevent any better expansion candidates. Air Force and BYU have brands that expand throughout and outside the PAC footprint. Boise St. has a program that can at least compete with the middle of the PAC...and is in a growing market. San Diego St. allows for sufficient games in southern California despite expansion - even when you maintain two cross over games for everyone in the USC-UCLA-Stanford-Cal contingency. Baylor remains in the P4 club. Both Baylor and Houston help to legitimately stake a PAC presence in Texas.
(01-17-2018 11:57 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-17-2018 11:12 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]Here are my suggested rules:

1) geography no long matters in school choices, but does matter for divisions within the conference.
2) all markets are the same. So if you want Boise State, take them.
3) SEC can't lose schools. You can decide about Big 10 but make your case.

So what schools are the best expansion choices now? Getting into new states and markets no longer matter, being contigous no longer matters. Only other factors like fan base, athletic success, academic success, "culture" etc.

Make your case!

Conferences of 16, 18, 20 or 21 are fine.

Okay,

I'd go to 20 for the SEC with these schools:

Florida State, Clemson, Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and N.C. State

I'd have to go with the same group.
I'm surprised. With geography and markets not mattering I expected conferences with USC, Stanford, etc. Interesting that we still like the ones reasonably close.
(01-18-2018 02:43 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised. With geography and markets not mattering I expected conferences with USC, Stanford, etc. Interesting that we still like the ones reasonably close.

There are great PAC schools. While geography doesn't matter for expansion purposes in this exercise, it does matter for travel but even more for rivalries which was my main reason.
(01-18-2018 02:43 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised. With geography and markets not mattering I expected conferences with USC, Stanford, etc. Interesting that we still like the ones reasonably close.

Not really, if you think about it we want what we care about. If I could have built my fantasy conference regardless of any rules whatsoever it would look something like this:

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

North: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

South: Alabama, Louisiana State, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M


That's as strong as it gets for 4 regions. Miami gives the South division access to Florida.
(01-18-2018 03:16 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-18-2018 02:43 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised. With geography and markets not mattering I expected conferences with USC, Stanford, etc. Interesting that we still like the ones reasonably close.

Not really, if you think about it we want what we care about. If I could have built my fantasy conference regardless of any rules whatsoever it would look something like this:

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

North: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

South: Alabama, Louisiana State, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M

That's as strong as it gets for 4 regions. Miami gives the South division access to Florida.

The bolded point above.

If the SEC did that, the B1G would do this (or at least try):

West: Washington, Washington St ,Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Colorado
South: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
North: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
East: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College
(01-18-2018 04:02 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-18-2018 03:16 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-18-2018 02:43 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm surprised. With geography and markets not mattering I expected conferences with USC, Stanford, etc. Interesting that we still like the ones reasonably close.

Not really, if you think about it we want what we care about. If I could have built my fantasy conference regardless of any rules whatsoever it would look something like this:

East: Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina

North: Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

South: Alabama, Louisiana State, Miami, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

West: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M

That's as strong as it gets for 4 regions. Miami gives the South division access to Florida.

The bolded point above.

If the SEC did that, the B1G would do this (or at least try):

West: Washington, Washington St ,Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Colorado
South: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
Central: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
North: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
East: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College

That works for me. That's 58 and enough to call it a day and put realignment to rest for a very very long time.
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