OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
(01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
Its there, but there are a number of loopholes. The reality is the NCAA does not aggressively enforce those provisions.
Nearly the entire MAC would be relegated.
(01-15-2018 09:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
Its there, but there are a number of loopholes. The reality is the NCAA does not aggressively enforce those provisions.
I assume you could just give away some tickets to make the numbers you need if you had to.
Isn't there also a minimum capacity requirement, 30k or so?
(01-15-2018 09:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
Its there, but there are a number of loopholes. The reality is the NCAA does not aggressively enforce those provisions.
Agreed. If the NCAA hasn't busted the MAC schools down to FCS then they aren't going to do it to USF.
Oh, and don't argue with Alabama fans. Most of them are white trash and are too dumb to even spell their own names.
They do morning enforce this. Never have. Schools in the MAC, SMU, SJSU, and a few others would be at risk then.
(01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?
(01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?
No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark
The reality is the teams in conferences are never going to be kicked out of the division. The only teams that probably have something to worry about are small time independents like UMASS or liberty. Even then it’s distributed tickets not paid for or even used so it’s hard to enforce.
(01-16-2018 07:59 AM)ECBrad Wrote: [ -> ]The reality is the teams in conferences are never going to be kicked out of the division. The only teams that probably have something to worry about are small time independents like UMASS or liberty. Even then it’s distributed tickets not paid for or even used so it’s hard to enforce.
Liberty has better attendance than teams like Tulsa and SMU. They are not at risk.
(01-16-2018 07:48 AM)Ocalabull Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?
No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark
It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?
(01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ][quote='KnightNasty' pid='14993260' dateline='1516069634']
Quote:
Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?
Come on U can do better than that.. like...
USF has attendance??
(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?
Assuming their FCS opponent was their worst attended game, their reported attendance for Stony Brook was 26,460 while the actual attendance was 18,302.
The NCAA looks at the reported attendance which was well above the minimum, and even the actual number stayed above 15k. Still pretty awful opening game attendance for a team coming off it's best season ever, that had a pre-season ranking and was the favorite for the AAC title and a NY6 bowl bid
(01-16-2018 09:03 AM)MechaKnight Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?
Assuming their FCS opponent was their worst attended game, their reported attendance for Stony Brook was 26,460 while the actual attendance was 18,302.
The NCAA looks at the reported attendance which was well above the minimum, and even the actual number stayed above 15k. Still pretty awful opening game attendance for a team coming off it's best season ever, that had a pre-season ranking and was the favorite for the AAC title and a NY6 bowl bid
Gotcha... so they use reported vs. actual. Like I said in the OP... "I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement". Obviously reported is more favorable to every team since all reported #'s are favorable.
Was there an actual # reported for their senior night? That game seemed like 5k... but again that may have just been an optical thing since it is a large stadium?
(01-15-2018 09:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote: [ -> ]OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…
My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.
His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.
Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.
I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.
I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?
Its there, but there are a number of loopholes. The reality is the NCAA does not aggressively enforce those provisions.
It happened to Arkansas State. 'Course... that was back in the 70s or 80s. I'm not gonna look it up... yes I am. BRB.
From '82 - '91 They had to drop down because of attendance issues.
According to a couple reports I found via Google: NCAA, FBS average attendance, these schools should or could be relegated after the past 2 seasons because they didn't meet the 15,000 attendance mark:
Akron
Ball St
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina*
Florida Atlantic
Kent St
Louisiana - Monroe
New Mexico St
Northern Illinois
San Jose St
*Gets a pass for 1st year of FBS (which was below 15,000)
Florida Atlantic will surely surpass the 15,000 mark with this season and next season combined.
Overall, the MAC had the worst attendance. Several were within 1,000 of the 15,000 mark.
(01-16-2018 08:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ][quote='KnightNasty' pid='14993260' dateline='1516069634']
Quote:
Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?
Come on U can do better than that.. like...
USF has attendance??
So if winning a National Championship won't make you guys classy on the board... guessing nothing will?
(01-16-2018 08:14 AM)fanhood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2018 07:59 AM)ECBrad Wrote: [ -> ]The reality is the teams in conferences are never going to be kicked out of the division. The only teams that probably have something to worry about are small time independents like UMASS or liberty. Even then it’s distributed tickets not paid for or even used so it’s hard to enforce.
Liberty has better attendance than teams like Tulsa and SMU. They are not at risk.
Right I didn’t mean they weren’t meeting requirements I’m just saying that a conference gives you political clout that independents not named notre dame or affiliated with the DoD lack. If problems developed for them in future they fit the profile of a school I would expect enforcement to be made on.
(01-16-2018 11:11 AM)Bull Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2018 08:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote: [ -> ][quote='KnightNasty' pid='14993260' dateline='1516069634']
Quote:
Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?
Come on U can do better than that.. like...
USF has attendance??
So if winning a National Championship won't make you guys classy on the board... guessing nothing will?
We got class. What do you think we go to school for ?
EDIT: Nice to see you acknowledge our title; maybe one day USF can win one and we can try to break into each others campus the week of the War on I-4 game and try to steal each others national championship trophy.