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Names and why you think they are qualified
Earl Boykins! probably not qualified. But I still think he would be great for the program. I know he's been coaching high school for a couple years. It would be great to bring a former player in, and lets face it having a former NBA guy can't hurt recruiting. The truth is, I have no idea what kind of coach Earl would be, but I do know that he was a great ball player, and representative of EMU.
Rick Pitino or Bruce Pearl. I want to win - don't care if it's dirty.
Ben Braun. He's only 64. There are at least a dozen current active coaches who are older.

He'd give us a great 5 years.
Yes on Boykins and Braun...John Bowler would be another name I would add. Embrace the block E. Nobody will try harder to win than one of our own.
(01-06-2018 09:02 PM)dansplaining Wrote: [ -> ]Rick Pitino or Bruce Pearl. I want to win - don't care if it's dirty.

Bruce Pearl has a job.

Pitino would make more as a motivational speaker than we could afford to pay him.
Dewayne Stephens or Dane Fife from Michigan St
The hired candidate must meet this criteria:

1) Successful College Head Coaching Experience
2) Native to the Midwest and preferably within 45 miles from Detroit
3) Great Social Skills

Ben Braun met all 3 criteria before he became an EMU assistant coach. Jim Boone, Charles Ramsey, Murphy, for example, never met this criteria.

It's a big risk bringing someone in without criterion number 1. Hiring P5 assistants has failed over and over and over again.
(01-07-2018 07:07 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]The hired candidate must meet this criteria:

1) Successful College Head Coaching Experience
2) Native to the Midwest and preferably within 45 miles from Detroit
3) Great Social Skills

Ben Braun met all 3 criteria before he became an EMU assistant coach. Jim Boone, Charles Ramsey, Murphy, for example, never met this criteria.

It's a big risk bringing someone in without criterion number 1. Hiring P5 assistants has failed over and over and over again.

Right, right, right. WRONG!!!

Braun was a HC at what Siena Heights.

But that is NOT what got him the HC job at EMU. He got hired as EMU HC as an ASSISTANT COACH. Being a HC at a NAIA school counts for almost nothing for a D-I HC position. If one is going to go the HC route it will almost always be at smaller D-I schools and move up. MANY conferences are below the MAC. Their HC can be candidates at the MAC level or above.

Ben Braun DISPROVES your point.

Boone was a D-I head coach who moved from Robert Morris, the same school which gave us Minnie.

Maybe I should post the MAC MBB guide to help this discussion. These might be the 3 top ranked coaches in the MAC.

1). James Whitford maybe the best MAC coach moved from an ASSISTANT coach at Arizona to BSU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Whitford

2). Oates moved from H.S. ball to UB ASSISTANT coach and moved up when Hurley left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Oats

3). Steve Hawkins moved from an ASSISTANT coach at WMU to head coach at WMU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Hawkins
Dear emdypo,
In the 1970's Eastern hired Ray Scott from the NBA, and I think he would be in the category of losing record coaches. I'm just saying NBA players do not necessarily bring recruits or success.
(01-07-2018 08:44 AM)Ken Barna Wrote: [ -> ]Dear emdypo,
In the 1970's Eastern hired Ray Scott from the NBA, and I think he would be in the category of losing record coaches. I'm just saying NBA players do not necessarily bring recruits or success.

Ken, I remember that and agree 100%.

Recruiting is SO MUCH of college basketball and unless one has those skills it won't work.

I don't think Ray Scott had a clue as to college recruiting.
Ah Ray Scott was coach at my time at EMU most of his recruits were usually gone by the end odd December for academic and other reasons
(01-07-2018 08:36 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-07-2018 07:07 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]The hired candidate must meet this criteria:

1) Successful College Head Coaching Experience
2) Native to the Midwest and preferably within 45 miles from Detroit
3) Great Social Skills

Ben Braun met all 3 criteria before he became an EMU assistant coach. Jim Boone, Charles Ramsey, Murphy, for example, never met this criteria.

It's a big risk bringing someone in without criterion number 1. Hiring P5 assistants has failed over and over and over again.

Right, right, right. WRONG!!!

Braun was a HC at what Siena Heights.

But that is NOT what got him the HC job at EMU. He got hired as EMU HC as an ASSISTANT COACH. Being a HC at a NAIA school counts for almost nothing for a D-I HC position. If one is going to go the HC route it will almost always be at smaller D-I schools and move up. MANY conferences are below the MAC. Their HC can be candidates at the MAC level or above.

Ben Braun DISPROVES your point.

Boone was a D-I head coach who moved from Robert Morris, the same school which gave us Minnie.

Maybe I should post the MAC MBB guide to help this discussion. These might be the 3 top ranked coaches in the MAC.

1). James Whitford maybe the best MAC coach moved from an ASSISTANT coach at Arizona to BSU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Whitford

2). Oates moved from H.S. ball to UB ASSISTANT coach and moved up when Hurley left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Oats

3). Steve Hawkins moved from an ASSISTANT coach at WMU to head coach at WMU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Hawkins

Steve,

Thanks for proving my point for me. Braun met the criteria as I layed out. LOL, I don't have time to write a dissertation on hiring a head coach, my criteria are considerations to make because there are always anomalies.

Hawkins is not a great coach which is why he's still at WMU. Whitford is a promising recruiter and the jury is still out on him.

Nate Oates may be the exception because while he was at Romulus, he coached many Div 1 players at the highest highschool level of basketball and I believe made it to the finals a couple times.

In general, I would prefer meeting my criteria (Braun met it), vs taking a risk on a P5 assistant.
I don't disagree, and honestly I don't follow the college coaching ranks close enough to know who is available. i know that going with back to back assistant coaches from big programs (Ramsey, Murphy) didn't work. I don't know that going with a head coach from a smaller program will work (Boone), and while the suggestion of going with Boykins was somewhat in jest, I do think that choosing someone with an upbeat and personable demeanor would be great. I think that is one of Creighton's greatest qualities. Regardless of EMU football's win/loss record, nobody denies that Coach Creighton is a man of integrity, and does things the right way. And while doing so, he has started to change the culture at EMU. I was critical of Creighton this year because of his decision to stick with the offensive coordinator, and what I viewed as terrible play calling at times. However Creighton has shown the ability to change, he did so when he brought in Netherly and fired McCaslin. Murphy is 7 years into playing a zone that most teams have figured out, and 7 years into playing a sloppy offensive scheme that is far too inconsistent.
I'm going to ask that you post resumes of your suggested candidates so ALL of us can see what you are thinking. Lucky by the way good luck finding a coach that meets your criteria.

Here are resumes for both of my suggestions. My preference of the two is Dane Fife who has decent head coaching experience and is from the Midwest and has ran a Div I program before.

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-bask...51229.html

http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-bask...69263.html

Getting a coach from year in and year out very successful program would be a plus. And may I add a program that is running very cleanly.
Another candidate for you to consider although I like Fife better.

http://www.mgoblue.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1808&path=mbball
I want someone who can recruit south eastern Michigan - specifically the cities of Detroit, Flint, Romulus, and Saginaw.
(01-07-2018 10:44 AM)dansplaining Wrote: [ -> ]I want someone who can recruit south eastern Michigan - specifically the cities of Detroit, Flint, Romulus, and Saginaw.

Agree 1000 this state still has big time talent.
Ok.... we're spending too much time on something that can wait until after this season. Off the top of my head, a candidate that almost matches my criteria is this guy:

http://www.ferrisstatebulldogs.com/sport...y?view=bio

They are 16-1 this season and lost to MSU by 8....MSU would trounce Murphy by 50.

He also recruits the hot bed Detroit, Saginaw and Flint.....
Therefore, he has a relationship with Michigan highschool coaches. Maybe we add Clarkstons coach and a couple highschool coaches from Detroit as assistants......
(01-07-2018 11:10 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]Ok.... we're spending too much time on something that can wait until after this season. Off the top of my head, a candidate that almost matches my criteria is this guy:

http://www.ferrisstatebulldogs.com/sport...y?view=bio

They are 16-1 this season and lost to MSU by 8....MSU would trounce Murphy by 50.

He also recruits the hot bed Detroit, Saginaw and Flint.....
Therefore, he has a relationship with Michigan highschool coaches. Maybe we add Clarkstons coach and a couple highschool coaches from Detroit as assistants......

It's a shame Nate Oats already went to Buffalo
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