I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
(12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it know,
(12-08-2017 01:56 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it know,
-3 for spelling
(12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it now:
Penny, we would like for you to become out head coach but first let us know that if we fire you will you be made at us? You either hire him or not but your approach is game playing and he deserves better than that.
Everything else you posted I agree with.
(12-08-2017 01:59 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it now:
Penny, we would like for you to become out head coach but first let us know that if we fire you will you be made at us? You either hire him or not but your approach is game playing and he deserves better than that.
Everything else you posted I agree with.
Well I wouldn’t have to ask that question to Penny. I think Penny will be successful for many years. I just hear this well what if you have to fire him. I don’t know why that question comes up. This guy wants to help the University. Finch wanted to help this University and he did. And while he coached at Memphis overall he did a good job and I have fond memories of him coaching
I’d love to see Penny coach Memphis
(12-08-2017 01:59 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it now:
Penny, we would like for you to become out head coach but first let us know that if we fire you will you be made at us? You either hire him or not but your approach is game playing and he deserves better than that.
Everything else you posted I agree with.
-6 for spelling
No wonder a "kid can't read at 17".
Pay Penny $1M a year for the next 3 years to fix this. That money will easily come back to you in ticket sales and Grizz rebate. Set metrics for where we have to be in 3 years (when Tubby is paid up) that both the university and Penny agree (attendance, wins, conference standing, etc.). If the metrics are hit, Penny gets a raise to $3M. If not, we both agree to hire another coach.
(12-08-2017 01:58 PM)jamammy Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:56 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it know,
-3 for spelling
-3? That should be -16, he/she/they only had to spell 6 words. I figure the punctuation is worth 4... and that's wrong too!
This paper would be graded an 80, which is a B at Briarcrest but a C at Kirby!
(12-08-2017 02:06 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:59 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it now:
Penny, we would like for you to become out head coach but first let us know that if we fire you will you be made at us? You either hire him or not but your approach is game playing and he deserves better than that.
Everything else you posted I agree with.
Well I wouldn’t have to ask that question to Penny. I think Penny will be successful for many years. I just hear this well what if you have to fire him. I don’t know why that question comes up. This guy wants to help the University. Finch wanted to help this University and he did. And while he coached at Memphis overall he did a good job and I have fond memories of him coaching
I’d love to see Penny coach Memphis
Penny has ZERO college coaching experience in ANY capacity.
Please Google the results for Clyde Drexler (Houston) and/or Chris Mullin (St. Johns) at their respective alma maters to see what happens when schools hire inexperienced coaches who were school legends in college.
Larry Finch had a DECADE of assistant coaching experience under two amazing coaches in Gene Bartow and Dana Kirk prior to taking over the head job after Kirk was fired. Comparing the readiness of Penny vs. Larry isn't even close.
(12-08-2017 03:29 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 02:06 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:59 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it now:
Penny, we would like for you to become out head coach but first let us know that if we fire you will you be made at us? You either hire him or not but your approach is game playing and he deserves better than that.
Everything else you posted I agree with.
Well I wouldn’t have to ask that question to Penny. I think Penny will be successful for many years. I just hear this well what if you have to fire him. I don’t know why that question comes up. This guy wants to help the University. Finch wanted to help this University and he did. And while he coached at Memphis overall he did a good job and I have fond memories of him coaching
I’d love to see Penny coach Memphis
Penny has ZERO college coaching experience in ANY capacity.
Please Google the results for Clyde Drexler (Houston) and/or Chris Mullin (St. Johns) at their respective alma maters to see what happens when schools hire inexperienced coaches who were school legends in college.
Larry Finch had a DECADE of assistant coaching experience under two amazing coaches in Gene Bartow and Dana Kirk prior to taking over the head job after Kirk was fired. Comparing the readiness of Penny vs. Larry isn't even close.
I don’t need to google them I’m already aware. I respectfully disagree with your opinion. Penny has coaching experience at the AAU level. While it’s not college he has shown he can recruit even at that level. I guess Avery Johnson gets a pass since he was a NBA coach? Mullins is trending in the right direction at 8-1 by the way
As I've said time and time again,penny is my fav player of all time but this would be a huge mistake and set us back some more...not going to give reasons why as I've already explained this several times."let's hire a guy with zero coaching experience" smbh
(12-08-2017 03:29 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote: [ -> ]Penny has ZERO college coaching experience in ANY capacity.
Please Google the results for Clyde Drexler (Houston) and/or Chris Mullin (St. Johns) at their respective alma maters to see what happens when schools hire inexperienced coaches who were school legends in college.
Larry Finch had a DECADE of assistant coaching experience under two amazing coaches in Gene Bartow and Dana Kirk prior to taking over the head job after Kirk was fired. Comparing the readiness of Penny vs. Larry isn't even close.
2 obvious examples. But there are others less obvious that are worth considering:
Pat Summitt was promoted to UTK head coach 1 year out of college.
Kevin Ollie only had 2 years assisting under his belt when he took over his alma mater UConn.
Coach K led his West Point team to the NIT finals, graduated and served in the Army. After that, he served 1 year as an assistant before being hired as head coach at Army. I bet they wish he had stayed there all these years.
Boeheim played at Syracuse and now coaches them. Granted, he was an AC for 7 years before getting the HC job. But it's the only place he's ever coached.
John Thompson, Jr seems particularly relevant. He played at Providence then went to the NBA. After the NBA he coached high school ball for 6 years before taking over as HC at Georgetown - where he stayed for 27 years.
Speaking of G'town, they've recently hired Patrick Ewing. Will be interesting to see how he does. Right now, they're undefeated and have a decent recruiting class lined up.
No experience is definitely a risk. One you probably wouldn't take in normal times - but these aren't normal times. At this point - it's worth the risk. Plus, his dealings with Nike, NBA, AAU, and TSSAA alleviate some of the risk that he doesn't have a college resume. He has some solid experience in various aspects of the game.
(12-08-2017 03:29 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 02:06 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:59 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it now:
Penny, we would like for you to become out head coach but first let us know that if we fire you will you be made at us? You either hire him or not but your approach is game playing and he deserves better than that.
Everything else you posted I agree with.
Well I wouldn’t have to ask that question to Penny. I think Penny will be successful for many years. I just hear this well what if you have to fire him. I don’t know why that question comes up. This guy wants to help the University. Finch wanted to help this University and he did. And while he coached at Memphis overall he did a good job and I have fond memories of him coaching
I’d love to see Penny coach Memphis
Penny has ZERO college coaching experience in ANY capacity.
Please Google the results for Clyde Drexler (Houston) and/or Chris Mullin (St. Johns) at their respective alma maters to see what happens when schools hire inexperienced coaches who were school legends in college.
Larry Finch had a DECADE of assistant coaching experience under two amazing coaches in Gene Bartow and Dana Kirk prior to taking over the head job after Kirk was fired. Comparing the readiness of Penny vs. Larry isn't even close.
Dan Majerle
Fred Hoiberg
Let's get billy d and call it the day.
(12-08-2017 02:13 PM)jamammy Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:59 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2017 01:51 PM)TubbyBall Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t understand a negative to not hire Penny is that we may have to fire him one day. First of all most coaches are fired one day it’s the way it’s handled. Two ask Penny if he’s ok with that outcome one day and if he’s ok with that possibility then make the hire
The ones that would say he doesn’t have coaching experience, neither did Pastner. He was clueless and was a recruiter before he got the job. Although I wasn’t a Pastner fan he wasn’t a failure. He could have been better but he could have changed by not being stubborn and bringing in help. He did have a 30 win season
I don’t see how a coach will want this job with the talent Tubby will leave after this season. I feel if Penny wants the job he should be given the opportunity. He is the only one that can turn this around in Two years. Everyone else is three to four years
I can just see it now:
Penny, we would like for you to become out head coach but first let us know that if we fire you will you be made at us? You either hire him or not but your approach is game playing and he deserves better than that.
Everything else you posted I agree with.
-6 for spelling
No wonder a "kid can't read at 17".
Dayum.
Experience.
While the NBA and college is different, several coaches and a few successful got head coaching gigs without any experience. Mark Jackson, Steve Kerr, Larry Bird, Doc Rivers, Vinny Del Negro, even Lenny Wilkins I think as well. I'm sure there are more. Experience helps but you can either do the job or you can't at the end of the day. Some listed weren't successful, some were.
Patrick Ewing was an NBA asst for years and couldn't sniff a NBA job, now he's the HC at Georgetown. Will he be successful? Who knows but experience didn't help him for the NBA apparently.
Penny coaches the number 1 high school team in the country ranked by some(at least top 5 nationally). Obviously he knows the city and surrounding area.
Too many positives not to give it a try. We currently don't have a national championship. All he has to do is not drag the school thru a scandal and he'll be alright even if he isn't great. I think he would have enough sense to get a veteran coach to help him.
Penny could probably sign one of the 3 recruiting classes in the nation next year. Probably 3 top 40 guys, with a good chance of signing the number one player. Tell me another coach that could do that at Memphis next year. He has enough contacts from his pro days to attract a great X's and 0's coach.
(12-08-2017 04:32 PM)selleg1 Wrote: [ -> ]Penny could probably sign one of the 3 recruiting classes in the nation next year. Probably 3 top 40 guys, with a good chance of signing the number one player. Tell me another coach that could do that at Memphis next year. He has enough contacts from his pro days to attract a great X's and 0's coach.
Good reasons for Bowen to encourage Coach Smith to bring him on as an assistant, with the intent to turn the team over to him in 2-3 years.