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Of: Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa rank them by how likely the Big XII would want them.

And also: would CSU, BYU or UNM be of interest?

FSU
Clemson
Arizona
Arizona State

(12-04-2017 08:59 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Of: Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa rank them by how likely the Big XII would want them.

And also: would CSU, BYU or UNM be of interest?

In its current form? Zero for all of them. They could have taken any 2+ last year, got a big boost in revenue to to the pro-rata clause, given the new guys partial payouts, and made bank. But they didn't and now the pro-rata is no longer in place. No way they're paying any G5 school $35M+ each to join now.

If UT and OU leave? Houston would be the obvious backfill. BYU if they could stomach the Sunday rule. If not, then I'd say CSU.

(12-04-2017 08:59 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Of: Houston, SMU, Tulane, and Tulsa rank them by how likely the Big XII would want them.

And also: would CSU, BYU or UNM be of interest?

Final 3 were BYU, Houston and Cincinnati (at least that is the general consensus belief).
Final 11 also included SMU, Tulane, CSU + Rice, Air Force, UCF, USF, UConn (that was pretty well documented).

Thanks for the serious replies! I'd prefer UCONN and the I-4 rivalry go to the ACC.

UCF and USF would be the best two adds. If only one Florida school, Memphis or Cincy from the AAC or Colorado St from the MWC.

Central Florida
South Florida
Memphis
Houston

To semi-seriously answer your question:
1. Houston
2. SMU
3. Any of the other American schools you didn't ask about
4. Tulsa
5. Virtually anyone else
6. Tulane

As for the others you ask about, it's tough to see any Big 12 interest in those three schools' athletic offerings save BYU football. The brands just aren't big enough to make that jump.

(12-04-2017 10:18 PM)Erictelevision Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the serious replies! I'd prefer UCONN and the I-4 rivalry go to the ACC.

No thanks! We're full.

If the Big 12 stays in the current configuration, then I think east is the way to go. West Virginia is so much on an island that they need neighbors,however, there are no close ones.

Here’s my take:
1. UCF - I’ve been a huge fan of UCF as an expansion team, even when they where in CUSA and USF was in the Big East. I think the perception is that they are willing to put more resources into athletics than USF. Also, Orlando is not a pro fb city, and I think that’s important.
2. Memphis/Cincy - I think 1 Florida team is enough, so then we need a bridge. Cincy could have made an argument in the past, but I think Memphis has improved greatly and have the higher ceiling. Also, Memphis not being a pro fb City like Orlando helps.
3. USF/Houston - I think a 2nd Florida school is more tempting than a 5th Texas team. Also, USF brings a new TV market to the conference that Houston does not. No matter how many Houston fans tell you, the Big 12 TV contract already includes the Houston area, and that won’t change as long as Texas is in the conference.

I think the others except for BYU are all long shots.

Don’t understand the fascination with CSU, they are very mediocre in the MW, they did get basketball last year for the first time in forever.


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(12-04-2017 11:32 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t understand the fascination with CSU, they are very mediocre in the MW, they did get basketball last year for the first time in forever.


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ISU was one of the one's pushing them. A lot of the old Big 8 schools have alumni in Colorado. Its a relatively populous, growing state. Plus they just invested a lot in a stadium. And they are a Tier I research school. They're "in the club."

BYU
Conn
Cin
Memphis
UCF
USF
Temple
Buffalo
fixes every promblem B-12 got

(12-04-2017 11:32 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t understand the fascination with CSU, they are very mediocre in the MW, they did get basketball last year for the first time in forever.


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If the Big 12 didn’t have West Virginia, I think going west would be best. A combo of New Mexico/CSU/BYU would be good. Not the best, but would be stable.

1 Brigham Young
2 Houston
T3 Southern Methodist
T3 Colorado State


5 Tulane
6 New Mexico



7 Tulsa

if ISU goes east with WV, B-12 would need 6
Clemson
FSU
GT
Louv
Mia
Conn

Actual order of B12 G5 ranking

1. BYU // honor code related issues make them problematic, so they passed
----------------- acceptable line
2. UConn // this school fits, except location
3. Cincy // this school checks off all the sorta boxes, nothing great

----------------- below this line we are reaching
4. Colorado State // almost in the next category, Denver market hugely important to B12
5. South Florida // this is the much stronger research school of the two Florida twins, so they are ahead
6. Tulane // they are better than Rice on athletics and importantly not in Texas, President love this school
7. Houston // if B12 needs a Texas school this would be it - SMU is in same market as TCU
----- are we still bothering below this group?

Rice, Temple, Central Florida at least made the consideration cut

Air Force pulled out, doubt they would change their mind. SMU dropped over market overlap, New Mexico just cut as just not bringing enough, Memphis and East Carolina tossed on the poor academics heap with the "why are you applying" group Arkansas State and Northern Illinois. San Diego State also bounced due to location (Morgantown to San Diego is just a bit too far apart). A few others applied, but whatever.

Does the list order change if say 4 to 6 schools exit in 2025? Probably not. Most likely 5 of the first 7 get in should a mess exodus occur. If just two schools leave then probably just two schools get invited. If Texas stays and OU leaves the Texas will have more say and the list shuffles. If Texas and OU leave, I'd probably march down that list. A couple might pass on an invite in the scenario Texas leaves.

I do think a B12 without Texas and OU would be somewhat compelling. Imagine Baylor, TCU, K State, Iowa State, West Virginia joined by Colorado State, Cincy, Houston, Tulane and South Florida. That is not far off the Big East circa 2005-2011. It might be a "half-power" conference and still a solid Basketball conference. Add say BYU Football and Wichita State basketball and it could be even more compelling (UConn would probably be my 12th). Is that a power conference? Dunno

Thanks IWULT! I'm inclined to agree with your rankings.

Big 12 is looking for an “FSU” type team first & foremost: only FSU-looking team out there is BYU. The Big 12 also wants to get WVU off its island. Does Houston do that? No. Nor does Houston remotely resemble Florida State. I’d say Cincinnati is the Big 12’s #2 target with BYU being the Big XII’s #1 target. Right now, the Big 12 is trying to figure out a way to get BYU without all of the negative publicity. Maybe the Big 12 is encouraging BYU to re-examine its honor code again.

B-12 [SWC & B-8] have same promblems they always had, twice now they have bluffed networks for more money

TV markets are at 45m, 8 school expansion puts them at 90m, mirrors the B-10
solve conf network ?, LHN becomes quesa B-12 network
Tex wants to keep it's domain