This is the 4th straight year our CUSA champion has gone bowling against another non power conference school.
In the glory days, we had the Liberty Bowl to hang our hats on. The last time our champion played a P5 was in 2013 with Rice. Now more than ever, we need that flagship.
What happened to FAU should never happen. Ever. They could have easily went 6-6 and came up with this same result.
It's embarrassing. We need a flagship bowl.
So my question is, what bowl could we realistically target, and what P5 conference could we realistically partner with?
Based on CUSA current Bowl arrangements; HOD is only, but solid, option. Saying this, FAU made the decision themselves. I concur CUSA Champs deserve better however university must want more
Well, at least it has a flagship school.
Since the full CUSA 3.0 realignment and the new round of bowl deals, we've only had Heart of Dallas as a premier bowl destination for West Division teams - and the CUSA champ has always been won by the East Division since this bowl rotation.
With Boca and St. Pete in the rotation, we need a bowl in the mid-Atlantic area to be a premier bowl for the Marshall-WKU-MTSU-ODU-Charlotte area. I felt our trip to the Military Bowl vs. Maryland back in 2013 was outstanding. Besides the Liberty, I thought losing that bowl was our biggest disappointment with realignment.
I think we should create a South Carolina bowl for our top East team and try to wrestle the ACC's spot from Detroit (because why is the ACC going to Detroit for a bowl game?).
The Boca Bowl would actually be a good flagship bowl, provided you change the affiliation or order of finish for the opponent. How about the MAC champion vs. the C-USA champion? Or how about convincing the AAC into bringing a top tier team into Boca? Don't know if either of those conferences would be willing, but it's an idea.
The stadium is nice, the area is tremendous, the beach is nearby. What's not to like?
Yep, it would still suck for FAU players to play at home but it would be a different feel if the game is better.
The first year of the Boca Bowl, 2014, was champion v champion.
I agree, I don't mind the Boca Bowl, we just need to get them to tie in one or two P5 conferences into the affiliation. I think as of now, it's just MAC and CUSA.
(12-03-2017 10:04 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]This is the 4th straight year our CUSA champion has gone bowling against another non power conference school.
In the glory days, we had the Liberty Bowl to hang our hats on. The last time our champion played a P5 was in 2013 with Rice. Now more than ever, we need that flagship.
What happened to FAU should never happen. Ever. They could have easily went 6-6 and came up with this same result.
It's embarrassing. We need a flagship bowl.
So my question is, what bowl could we realistically target, and what P5 conference could we realistically partner with?
I totally agree, but our leadership sold our bowls to ESPN. Now we have to take what we get.
The truth is we need some sweeping changes that start with new leadership, and include a concentrated focus on developing our own conference owned network, and conference owned bowl games.
The only thing the P5's respect is money. We would have to buy all of the non-P5 bowls not owned by ESPN (New Orleans Bowl, Arizona Bowl, Cure Bowl, Dollar General Bowl, and possibly the Quick Lane Bowl). That would be expensive, and some cities might not be willing to sell. We would need to move some of them to our region. We can sign new agreements with conferences when contracts are up. If a few of these new bowls can guarantee $2 million payouts, we will fill them with P5's. Not P5 conference champs, but respectable teams like Texas Tech, Florida State, and Boston College. All of which are playing for less this bowl season. Very few P5's bring in Alabama, OU, and Texas kind of money. It would be difficult and expensive, and we would certainly still see some of our conference-mates miss the bowl season. But C-USA would move to more of a position of strength in the college football world.
(12-03-2017 10:07 PM)TheChosenOne Wrote: [ -> ]Based on CUSA current Bowl arrangements; HOD is only, but solid, option. Saying this, FAU made the decision themselves. I concur CUSA Champs deserve better however university must want more
We no longer have a tie in with the HoD Bowl. They're technically a secondary option.
(12-03-2017 10:21 PM)busch Wrote: [ -> ]The Boca Bowl would actually be a good flagship bowl, provided you change the affiliation or order of finish for the opponent. How about the MAC champion vs. the C-USA champion? Or how about convincing the AAC into bringing a top tier team into Boca? Don't know if either of those conferences would be willing, but it's an idea.
The stadium is nice, the area is tremendous, the beach is nearby. What's not to like?
Yep, it would still suck for FAU players to play at home but it would be a different feel if the game is better.
It would be horrendously out of the way for almost everyone without an F in their name. You want a destination that's in the middle geographically so fans can travel well (i.e. Sugar Bowl for SEC). Our far-flung geography kills this.
I was hoping for a more challenging matchup for Florida Atlantic. The way they're playing now, anyone on the same field with them could get their brakes beaten off. I think a lot of the more snooty bowl eligible teams decided they didn't want none.
(12-03-2017 10:04 PM)rileylives Wrote: [ -> ]This is the 4th straight year our CUSA champion has gone bowling against another non power conference school.
In the glory days, we had the Liberty Bowl to hang our hats on. The last time our champion played a P5 was in 2013 with Rice. Now more than ever, we need that flagship.
What happened to FAU should never happen. Ever. They could have easily went 6-6 and came up with this same result.
It's embarrassing. We need a flagship bowl.
So my question is, what bowl could we realistically target, and what P5 conference could we realistically partner with?
We played Maryland in 2013, WKU played illinois in the last couple years, USM got washington, and now FSU. We gave backed into a p5 matchup every year, but the cusa champ always gets the short stick because of the crappy bowl tie in contract with the champion.
I like HOD for the top western team. We need to try to get an eastern bowl with a P5 tie in for our top eastern school.
Western choose Miami vs USF in 2015 and BOCA vs Memphis in 2016
Other than Houston, South Florida was the hottest team in the AAC at the end of the 2015 season.
Some of you put too much into playing a 6-6 P5 school. I believe S. Miss vs Washington was one of the lowest watched CUSA bowl games. I think the AD of a school knows their fans and what's best for their school that most of us. Western does not recruit in Dallas or hardly west of the Mississippi. Western does recruit Fla, hard. Western had 75 fans at the Rice game last year (myself and son 2 of those). Western had well over 600 when you play at FIU or FAU.
Honestly if some of you think people actually care if your team plays a 6-6 P5 team probably 8th or lower in their conference...
you are mistaking. What I see is mostly "water cooler" type of bravo.
Maybe I'm wrong but unless you are playing a UGA or a FSU type P5 in a really down year for them. And lets get that straight it's going to be a really bad year..almost getting a coach fired type of season or something else going on. CUSA is going to get the 6-6 Pitt type school or 6-6 west coast team.
Personally those teams don't move the needle for me.
(12-03-2017 11:32 PM)Saint Greg Wrote: [ -> ]I like HOD for the top western team. We need to try to get an eastern bowl with a P5 tie in for our top eastern school.
I liked the HOD too. Too bad C-USA doesn't have it anymore. The stupid conference leadership still hasn't publicly addressed how or why we lost it.
I've said it a million times. Traveling fans and filling stands is good and all but it PALES in comparison to BEATING POWER-5 teams as often as possible. Shying away from these opportunities for reasons like "people won't watch" or "people don't care" is small time. Being a G5 conference, the ONLY way we will ever improve our reputation is to play and BEAT as many P5 teams (regardless of their records) as much as we possibly can. That's how you improve your conference brand and credibility in the football world. You do that enough, then more people take note, tune in, and watch more of our games. Then our teams turn into more attractable bowl opponents and OOC.
You do that early in the season when it actually matters not when you have another 9 months to go before you play another game.
2016 Sept 24th Western gives Vandy the game after leading for all but the last 1 second when Vandy tied it and then won in OT. Win that game and there's a very good chance Western plays a NY6 game. Play that game in a bowl it's still means something but just a win.
If you want to elevate this conference you do it during the season. Not beating a 6-6 9th place team in a P5 conference for a bowl no one (nationally) cares about.
You can win that game 5 years in a row and it means very little going into the next season.
(12-04-2017 02:03 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]You do that early in the season when it actually matters not when you have another 9 months to go before you play another game.
2016 Sept 24th Western gives Vandy the game after leading for all but the last 1 second when Vandy tied it and then won in OT. Win that game and there's a very good chance Western plays a NY6 game. Play that game in a bowl it's still means something but just a win.
If you want to elevate this conference you do it during the season. Not beating a 6-6 9th place team in a P5 conference for a bowl no one (nationally) cares about.
You can win that game 5 years in a row and it means very little going into the next season.
Excellent points.
(12-04-2017 12:22 AM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]Western choose Miami vs USF in 2015 and BOCA vs Memphis in 2016
Other than Houston, South Florida was the hottest team in the AAC at the end of the 2015 season.
Some of you put too much into playing a 6-6 P5 school. I believe S. Miss vs Washington was one of the lowest watched CUSA bowl games. I think the AD of a school knows their fans and what's best for their school that most of us. Western does not recruit in Dallas or hardly west of the Mississippi. Western does recruit Fla, hard. Western had 75 fans at the Rice game last year (myself and son 2 of those). Western had well over 600 when you play at FIU or FAU.
Honestly if some of you think people actually care if your team plays a 6-6 P5 team probably 8th or lower in their conference...
you are mistaking. What I see is mostly "water cooler" type of bravo.
Maybe I'm wrong but unless you are playing a UGA or a FSU type P5 in a really down year for them. And lets get that straight it's going to be a really bad year..almost getting a coach fired type of season or something else going on. CUSA is going to get the 6-6 Pitt type school or 6-6 west coast team.
Personally those teams don't move the needle for me.
That was the Southern Miss vs ULL NO Bowl last year. The USM vs Washington game was lowest attended HOD bowl to date.
We still travel better than Louisana Technological and Western Kentucky.
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A G5 playoff makes more sense. I mean Toledo got the sun belt runner up too...
Really there is no difference between winning your conference and going 7-5 in terms of these bowl games ...
(12-04-2017 06:36 AM)Ragu Wrote: [ -> ]A G5 playoff makes more sense. I mean Toledo got the sun belt runner up too...
Really there is no difference between winning your conference and going 7-5 in terms of these bowl games ...
Loser talk. Win games, grow your fan base, carry clout. Nothing is given.