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Hypothetical but if all FBS conferences moved to 16 through expansion where would everyone end up going and how would that affect the P5/G5 structure?

Px1 (B1G to 16)-16 teams
Px2 (SEC to 16)-32 teams
Px3 (PAC to 16)-48 teams
Px4 (ACC to 16)-64 teams
Px5 (B12 to 16)-80 teams
Px6 (MWC/CUSA to 16)-96 teams
Px7 (AAC/CUSA/MAC to 16)-112 teams
Px8 (MAC/CUSA/SBC to 16)-128 teams

Could there be a big inflation in the number of P5 programs that could lead the G5 Condensing down to 2 or 3 large conferences for CFP contract bowls?

The "P" could go to 18-20 teams to make the effect more dramatic.
G programs should do everything to scratch and claw to get into a P conference.

If the program is stuck in a G situation it doesn't like (aka Southern Miss) in CUSA don't worry about the AAC when there could be a big reorganization for the next round of CFP contracts.
Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

If its 18/20 teams by the time B12 is done picking 90-100 programs will be in a P5. That won't leave much of the MWC or AAC who could scoop up the remaining value from CUSA/MAC/SBC.

Someday NIU/Toledo/Ohio may be forced into the AAC whether they like it or not so the AAC has enough schools for a contract bowl.
(11-12-2017 09:00 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

If its 18/20 teams by the time B12 is done picking 90-100 programs will be in a P5. That won't leave much of the MWC or AAC who could scoop up the remaining value from CUSA/MAC/SBC.

Someday NIU/Toledo/Ohio may be forced into the AAC whether they like it or not so the AAC has enough schools for a contract bowl.


What I meant was that Eastern Washington and North Dakota State fans do travel to the away games. They do show better support than some of the MAC and schools like San Jose State and New Mexico State. I do see those strong teams get pick first before some of the C-USA, MWC, MAC and SBC schools.
(11-12-2017 09:06 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-12-2017 09:00 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-12-2017 08:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]Why not 18 to 20 reams? You do have some good fresh blood to infuse into the conferences to make it work. As is, many schools including P5 schools have lost fans in the seats. It seems that they play the exact same teams over and over again. Some of the strongest FCS schools might help draw some interests. Eastern Washington and North Dakota State have drawn people to watch them play against P5 schools. They do have a buzz that do bring out fans, plus those fans do travel. Many NDSU fans filled the Kansas State stadium. The fans of both teams watched a great game. It is better than some of the cupcakes like Kansas.

If its 18/20 teams by the time B12 is done picking 90-100 programs will be in a P5. That won't leave much of the MWC or AAC who could scoop up the remaining value from CUSA/MAC/SBC.

Someday NIU/Toledo/Ohio may be forced into the AAC whether they like it or not so the AAC has enough schools for a contract bowl.


What I meant was that Eastern Washington and North Dakota State fans do travel to the away games. They do show better support than some of the MAC and schools like San Jose State and New Mexico State. I do see those strong teams get pick first before some of the C-USA, MWC, MAC and SBC schools.

No I don't think you'll see FCS schools jumping FBS in the pecking order.

I see the possible emergence of an 8 conference system with the MWC/AAC/MAC nixing the G5 agreement as they become "contract" conferences themselves. An emergence which might happen in the aftermath of more realignment.
But, what do we do with teams that wants to move up to be part of the system? I do not see C-USA schools moving to the MWC since so many are too far away. MWC would backload with Big Sky, and western MVFC first, and UTEP and UTSA as well.
Go to 20!!!!

13 regular season games, 10 conference games. 4 in division a H & A vs 2 schools from each other division. P schools can't play FCS schools and G schools are allowed to play 1 a season.

Playoffs are the four winners of the conference playoffs playing in a four team playoff.

B1G:

East- PSU, Rutgers, Maryland, UConn, Virginia

West- Texas, OU, KU, Nebraska, Iowa

South- Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Notre Dame, Ohio State

North- Minny, Wisc, NW, Michigan, MSU

SEC:

East- UF, FSU, UGA, USC, UNC

West- A&M, TCU, Arkansas, OSU, Mizzou

South- Bama, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, LSU

North- WVU, Tennessee, Vandy, UK, VT

Pac-20:

East- Colorado, KSU, ISU, Utah, BYU

West- Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Hawaii

South- ASU, UA, T Tech, Houston, UNLV

North- Oregon, OSU, Washington, WSU, Boise St.

ACC:

East- NC St, Duke, WF, ECU, Navy

West- Louisville, Cincy, Memphis, Baylor, SMU

South- Miami, GT, Clemson, UCF, USF

North- BC, Pitt, Cuse, Temple, Army

AAC:

East- James Madison, ODU, Richmond, Charolette, App State

West- Tulsa, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Texas State

South- Tulane, USM, UAB, FIU, FAU

North- Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, Missouri St, Chattanooga

MWC:

East- Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Weber St, Colorado St

West- San Diego St, Fresno, San Jose, Cal Poly, San Diego

South- New Mexico, New Mexico St, UTEP, Northern Arizona, Nevada

North- Idaho, Eastern Washington, Montana, Portland, Montana St

CUSA:

East- Wofford, William & Mary, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Kentucky

West- Troy, So. Alabama, Jacksonville St, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

South- Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Citadel, Western Carolina, Charleston Southern

North- Arkansas State, Central Arkansas, La Tech, Sam Houston, Stephen F Austin

MAC:

East- Buffalo, UMass, Delaware, New Hampshire, Maine

West- South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, N. Illinois, Ball State

South- Youngstown, Kent, Miami, Ohio, Akron

North- CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green
(11-12-2017 09:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]But, what do we do with teams that wants to move up to be part of the system? I do not see C-USA schools moving to the MWC since so many are too far away. MWC would backload with Big Sky, and western MVFC first, and UTEP and UTSA as well.

They could still move up but be part of the mid major FBS that would include some of the current SBC, CUSA, NMSU, Liberty, UMass without a national TV deal.

To nix the G5 deal it would require a 3-2 vote. AAC/MWC could court the MAC for a 3rd vote with the MAC working out a package with Marshall/Army so they can be considered contract worthy.

AAC-40 million from the CFP
MWC-35 million from the CFP
MAC-30 million from the CFP

Something like this where they get floater spots but for a smaller share of money. The MAC pulled in almost 25 million last year with the G5 autobid.
Replace San Diego with either Sacramento State or UC-Davis. San Diego do not offer scholarships.

I would replace Richmond with Stony Brook. Stony wants FBS.

Lamar wants FBS as well.

I could see UTRGV, North Florida and FGCU go to FBS in the future. North Florida could play in the pro stadium that the Jaguars plays in.
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