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Would be unconventional, but would the BE add one school and go to 20 conference games? Jon Rothstein seems to think so.

Could Dayton with an arena renovation be in the wings?

Pushes down the road the choice of a 12th non performing school.

http://www.fanragsports.com/rothstein-bi...11th-team/

Sorry - Didn't see this link posted in a ubiquitous UCONN thread around here.
If FOX agreed to increase the per school payout for doing so, I could see it happening. However, with the recent addition of B1G games to the FOX and FS1 portfolios, I doubt that FOX would encourage it unless there were a "home run" school (yes, UConn or someone with a similar high profile) available.
I posted in the other thread, but it would be very beneficial to add Saint Louis after the season. They will be one of the better teams in the A-10 this year, and appear to have finally righted the ship with Travis Ford after the Jim Crews-era. They have a very strong media market, that now does not have an NFL franchise or an NBA franchise. They have great facilities, and - along with basketball - bring strong soccer, baseball, softball and volleyball programs, which would compliment the league's current setup. St. Louis is also a great recruiting area for the Big East to tap into for men's basketball.

Most importantly, Saint Louis is viewed as a like-minded institution and peer along with Marquette, Creighton, Xavier and DePaul. They were highly regarded when the C7 reorganized the Big East, and absolutely would have been added if it went to 12-members.
(10-19-2017 12:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]I posted in the other thread, but it would be very beneficial to add Saint Louis after the season. They will be one of the better teams in the A-10 this year, and appear to have finally righted the ship with Travis Ford after the Jim Crews-era. They have a very strong media market, that now does not have an NFL franchise or an NBA franchise. They have great facilities, and - along with basketball - bring strong soccer, baseball, softball and volleyball programs, which would compliment the league's current setup. St. Louis is also a great recruiting area for the Big East to tap into for men's basketball.

Most importantly, Saint Louis is viewed as a like-minded institution and peer along with Marquette, Creighton, Xavier and DePaul. They were highly regarded when the C7 reorganized the Big East, and absolutely would have been added if it went to 12-members.

Strong Catholic market as well. Notre Dame is actually 3rd most popular FBS team in St. Louis metro behind Mizzou and Illinois.
(10-19-2017 12:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]I posted in the other thread, but it would be very beneficial to add Saint Louis after the season. They will be one of the better teams in the A-10 this year, and appear to have finally righted the ship with Travis Ford after the Jim Crews-era. They have a very strong media market, that now does not have an NFL franchise or an NBA franchise. They have great facilities, and - along with basketball - bring strong soccer, baseball, softball and volleyball programs, which would compliment the league's current setup. St. Louis is also a great recruiting area for the Big East to tap into for men's basketball.

Most importantly, Saint Louis is viewed as a like-minded institution and peer along with Marquette, Creighton, Xavier and DePaul. They were highly regarded when the C7 reorganized the Big East, and absolutely would have been added if it went to 12-members.

I agree. I've long argued that SLU is the best *institutional* fit for the Big East. There are others that will only focus on on-the-court records, but if SLU is even halfway decent, they've long been the top choice. (The issue with Dayton is location both in terms of market size and perceived/real overlap with Xavier and the issue with VCU is that it's a public school.)

At the same time, I think an insistence on a double round-robin within the Big East for playing games helps out SLU. The Big East has been skittish about expanding by 2 schools (which has long been the assumption if they were to ever expand), but adding 1 school is a whole lot easier to manage. Part of that is that the Big East doesn't really want to add 2 Midwestern schools, yet the primary Eastern options (putting aside the unrealistic option of UConn) either aren't institutional fits (e.g. VCU) or large enough fan bases (e.g. Richmond and Davidson). I don't think the Big East would ever add both Dayton and SLU, but I could see them adding one of them (and I think SLU gets the nod head-to-head).
The thing that has become most apparent with the Big East is that they tremendously value the round-robin set-up. Going beyond ten members didn't make sense if it eliminated the RR, but with all of the top conferences going to 20 conference games, the Big East will surely follow suit in order to remain in that top group.

The other advantageous aspect of adding a single team is that it adds an additional game to the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Saint Louis, while not as strong a traveling fan base like a Dayton, would bring additional fans and revenue for an extra game to be played there. SLU has very strong alumni numbers in New York City, Chicago, Washington D.C., and Philadelphia.

I think it just makes too much sense. From strictly a basketball-perspective, SLU will be middle-of-the-pack most years, and help the 2/3/4 teams get an additional win, or two, which would help tremendously with seeding.
(10-19-2017 01:57 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing that has become most apparent with the Big East is that they tremendously value the round-robin set-up. Going beyond ten members didn't make sense if it eliminated the RR, but with all of the top conferences going to 20 conference games, the Big East will surely follow suit in order to remain in that top group.

The other advantageous aspect of adding a single team is that it adds an additional game to the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Saint Louis, while not as strong a traveling fan base like a Dayton, would bring additional fans and revenue for an extra game to be played there. SLU has very strong alumni numbers in New York City, Chicago, Washington D.C., and Philadelphia.

I think it just makes too much sense. From strictly a basketball-perspective, SLU will be middle-of-the-pack most years, and help the 2/3/4 teams get an additional win, or two, which would help tremendously with seeding.
actually 1 game would not add the extra revenue necessarily. they would have 3 games in 1 session.
(10-19-2017 01:59 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-19-2017 01:57 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]The thing that has become most apparent with the Big East is that they tremendously value the round-robin set-up. Going beyond ten members didn't make sense if it eliminated the RR, but with all of the top conferences going to 20 conference games, the Big East will surely follow suit in order to remain in that top group.

The other advantageous aspect of adding a single team is that it adds an additional game to the Big East Tournament at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Saint Louis, while not as strong a traveling fan base like a Dayton, would bring additional fans and revenue for an extra game to be played there. SLU has very strong alumni numbers in New York City, Chicago, Washington D.C., and Philadelphia.

I think it just makes too much sense. From strictly a basketball-perspective, SLU will be middle-of-the-pack most years, and help the 2/3/4 teams get an additional win, or two, which would help tremendously with seeding.
actually 1 game would not add the extra revenue necessarily. they would have 3 games in 1 session.

An extra game, with an extra school, brings more ticket purchases on behalf of that school's fan base and more with attendance. Nothing earth-shattering, but it does matter. It would be grouped together with the other first three games. In this regard, Dayton would be more valuable since they travel much better.
I think the Big East will be watching the AAC this season quite frankly. If the AAC gets 2-3 more teams in the tourney this year- with them having less of a round robin- they're going to notice. The round robin makes it where it's so much easier to have years like last year- where sure you get 7 teams in- but 4 of those 7 teams are seeded 9-11- and having 3 of the final 7 teams getting in the tourney. And Creighton was 1 spot on the total seed list from being a 7 seed as well.
Wasn't there an article earlier in the year where Mark Few hinted that Gonzaga would be interested in realignment?

I don't see UConn giving up on FBS football. I wonder if FOX is trying to sell the Big East on Gonzaga.
(10-19-2017 12:18 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]I posted in the other thread, but it would be very beneficial to add Saint Louis after the season. They will be one of the better teams in the A-10 this year, and appear to have finally righted the ship with Travis Ford after the Jim Crews-era. They have a very strong media market, that now does not have an NFL franchise or an NBA franchise. They have great facilities, and - along with basketball - bring strong soccer, baseball, softball and volleyball programs, which would compliment the league's current setup. St. Louis is also a great recruiting area for the Big East to tap into for men's basketball.

Most importantly, Saint Louis is viewed as a like-minded institution and peer along with Marquette, Creighton, Xavier and DePaul. They were highly regarded when the C7 reorganized the Big East, and absolutely would have been added if it went to 12-members.
I also think SLU would be the best BE expansion school for many of those reasons listed.

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I'll count myself as one that would say there are better institutional fits WITH more competitive basketball programs. And ones that won't get to the BE so it can just sit there and collect.

People want to push SLU like it's such a good thing. As an A10 fan, you can have them...they've been drafting off the rest of the conference for years except for the Majerus tenure. But to say the others in the A10, any of them, don't "fit the look?" That's the talk of snobs and politics, or, bull****.

They want Gonzaga, though. It's just trying to make it all work.
The Big East is NOT adding Gonzaga. That's not happening. There's "bad geography" (going from Nebraska to New York/New Jersey like the current Big Ten and Big East alignments) and then there's HORRIFIC INSANE AWFUL GEOGRAPHY (going from Spokane to the Northeast).

Note that there is absolutely no such thing as a "basketball-only" membership. This is about dragging all of each school's entire athletic departments to Spokane on *commercial* flights (as the non-revenue sports don't get charters) and vice versa. That's just not happening (and I've been on the "TV rules everything" side of conference realignment matters from day one).
(10-19-2017 02:45 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote: [ -> ]But to say the others in the A10, any of them, don't "fit the look?" That's the talk of snobs and politics, or, bull****.

That's called "conference realignment". Hate the game. Don't hate the player.
(10-19-2017 03:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East is NOT adding Gonzaga. That's not happening. There's "bad geography" (going from Nebraska to New York/New Jersey like the current Big Ten and Big East alignments) and then there's HORRIFIC INSANE AWFUL GEOGRAPHY (going from Spokane to the Northeast).

Note that there is absolutely no such thing as a "basketball-only" membership. This is about dragging all of each school's entire athletic departments to Spokane on *commercial* flights (as the non-revenue sports don't get charters) and vice versa. That's just not happening (and I've been on the "TV rules everything" side of conference realignment matters from day one).

Other than DePaul, no Big East team could take a direct flight to Spokane.

Everyone else would require some combo of Seattle, Chicago, Phoenix/Vegas, Minneapolis, Dallas or Salt Lake (maybe LAX would be an option as well).
(10-19-2017 10:59 AM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]Would be unconventional, but would the BE add one school and go to 20 conference games? Jon Rothstein seems to think so.

Could Dayton with an arena renovation be in the wings?

Pushes down the road the choice of a 12th non performing school.

http://www.fanragsports.com/rothstein-bi...11th-team/

Sorry - Didn't see this link posted in a ubiquitous UCONN thread around here.

Just add UConn which also moves its football to independent.
(10-19-2017 03:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East is NOT adding Gonzaga. That's not happening. There's "bad geography" (going from Nebraska to New York/New Jersey like the current Big Ten and Big East alignments) and then there's HORRIFIC INSANE AWFUL GEOGRAPHY (going from Spokane to the Northeast).

Note that there is absolutely no such thing as a "basketball-only" membership. This is about dragging all of each school's entire athletic departments to Spokane on *commercial* flights (as the non-revenue sports don't get charters) and vice versa. That's just not happening (and I've been on the "TV rules everything" side of conference realignment matters from day one).

If Gonzaga had a conference willing to house their other sports, they could be a basketball affiliate to the BE so that those schools would not be dragging all kinds of minor teams to Spokane.
(10-19-2017 06:23 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-19-2017 03:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East is NOT adding Gonzaga. That's not happening. There's "bad geography" (going from Nebraska to New York/New Jersey like the current Big Ten and Big East alignments) and then there's HORRIFIC INSANE AWFUL GEOGRAPHY (going from Spokane to the Northeast).

Note that there is absolutely no such thing as a "basketball-only" membership. This is about dragging all of each school's entire athletic departments to Spokane on *commercial* flights (as the non-revenue sports don't get charters) and vice versa. That's just not happening (and I've been on the "TV rules everything" side of conference realignment matters from day one).

If Gonzaga had a conference willing to house their other sports, they could be a basketball affiliate to the BE so that those schools would not be dragging all kinds of minor teams to Spokane.
Something tells me the WAC would take them up on that.
(10-19-2017 06:42 PM)chargeradio Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-19-2017 06:23 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-19-2017 03:10 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East is NOT adding Gonzaga. That's not happening. There's "bad geography" (going from Nebraska to New York/New Jersey like the current Big Ten and Big East alignments) and then there's HORRIFIC INSANE AWFUL GEOGRAPHY (going from Spokane to the Northeast).

Note that there is absolutely no such thing as a "basketball-only" membership. This is about dragging all of each school's entire athletic departments to Spokane on *commercial* flights (as the non-revenue sports don't get charters) and vice versa. That's just not happening (and I've been on the "TV rules everything" side of conference realignment matters from day one).

If Gonzaga had a conference willing to house their other sports, they could be a basketball affiliate to the BE so that those schools would not be dragging all kinds of minor teams to Spokane.
Something tells me the WAC would take them up on that.

Except you can't do a basketball-only membership. CAN NOT HAPPEN. STOP TRYING TO SUGGEST IT.
Care to cite the NCAA Bylaw that prohibits that?
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