First, we should all view the pious statements that we are seeing from John Wall and Urban Meyer and others with extreme skepticism.
But that's separate from the question of whether the FBI should chase after former players.
Wall played college hoops in 2009-10. That's far enough in the past that the feds can't or won't make shenanigans related to his recruiting a part of this case.
Also, it looks like the feds have wisely decided that they are going to pursue criminal charges against the adults (shoe company execs, coaches, bag men, "financial advisers") rather than the teenagers (i.e., recruits) in this case. If you've decided to not prosecute the kids or their parents, then you don't threaten them with prosecution, either. So they either talk voluntarily or the feds move on to the several hundred other people on the list of those they want to interview.
And, unfortunately, I think that the feds are not trying to expose the hypocrisy of the system to force changes to it. It actually looks like the feds want to clean up and preserve the NCAA's shamateurism and that they think that cracking down on the shoe guys, shady advisers, and a few coaches on the take will help to shore up the system in which the well-connected adults in "the big time" get filthy rich while the athletes work their tails off and get nothing.
(09-29-2017 09:58 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2017 07:36 AM)Dasville Wrote: [ -> ]Why would they be immune from an FBI investigation? I understand the NCAA can't compell them to tell what they know but what about the FBI?
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/9/28/163...ng-scandal
With the FBI involved, absolutely nobody is "immune".
Thanks TerryD! I have lost faith in the FBI based on the current political environment. I pray the FBI isn't political regarding sports. I hope letters of exoneration haven't already been written. After all, every agent registers to vote and went to school somewhere.
(09-29-2017 10:31 AM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]First, we should all view the pious statements that we are seeing from John Wall and Urban Meyer and others with extreme skepticism.
But that's separate from the question of whether the FBI should chase after former players.
Wall played college hoops in 2009-10. That's far enough in the past that the feds can't or won't make shenanigans related to his recruiting a part of this case.
Also, it looks like the feds have wisely decided that they are going to pursue criminal charges against the adults (shoe company execs, coaches, bag men, "financial advisers") rather than the teenagers (i.e., recruits) in this case. If you've decided to not prosecute the kids or their parents, then you don't threaten them with prosecution, either. So they either talk voluntarily or the feds move on to the several hundred other people on the list of those they want to interview.
And, unfortunately, I think that the feds are not trying to expose the hypocrisy of the system to force changes to it. It actually looks like the feds want to clean up and preserve the NCAA's shamateurism and that they think that cracking down on the shoe guys, shady advisers, and a few coaches on the take will help to shore up the system in which the well-connected adults in "the big time" get filthy rich while the athletes work their tails off and get nothing.
TBH I was more upset about Wall learning kids and families to get by. But yes, what you say is true. If Goverment offers a program, can't hate on the people who use it.
Yes. If only to find out the full scope of the issue.
(09-29-2017 10:34 AM)Dasville Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2017 09:58 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ] (09-29-2017 07:36 AM)Dasville Wrote: [ -> ]Why would they be immune from an FBI investigation? I understand the NCAA can't compell them to tell what they know but what about the FBI?
https://www.aseaofblue.com/2017/9/28/163...ng-scandal
With the FBI involved, absolutely nobody is "immune".
Thanks TerryD! I have lost faith in the FBI based on the current political environment. I pray the FBI isn't political regarding sports. I hope letters of exoneration haven't already been written. After all, every agent registers to vote and went to school somewhere.
I am the opposite. I have gained faith in the FBI recently.
(09-29-2017 10:31 AM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]First, we should all view the pious statements that we are seeing from John Wall and Urban Meyer and others with extreme skepticism.
But that's separate from the question of whether the FBI should chase after former players.
Wall played college hoops in 2009-10. That's far enough in the past that the feds can't or won't make shenanigans related to his recruiting a part of this case.
Also, it looks like the feds have wisely decided that they are going to pursue criminal charges against the adults (shoe company execs, coaches, bag men, "financial advisers") rather than the teenagers (i.e., recruits) in this case. If you've decided to not prosecute the kids or their parents, then you don't threaten them with prosecution, either. So they either talk voluntarily or the feds move on to the several hundred other people on the list of those they want to interview.
And, unfortunately, I think that the feds are not trying to expose the hypocrisy of the system to force changes to it. It actually looks like the feds want to clean up and preserve the NCAA's shamateurism and that they think that cracking down on the shoe guys, shady advisers, and a few coaches on the take will help to shore up the system in which the well-connected adults in "the big time" get filthy rich while the athletes work their tails off and get nothing.
That's EXACTLY what I thought.
A case of "methinks thou dost protest too much"......
As to former players testifying, if there appears to be or has been a criminal act perpetrated, then by all means subpoena them. Offer them a deal if necessary, but let's see just how deep down the rabbit hole this goes.
If there is to ever be reform, then the cancer must be removed completely. To do otherwise if just paying lip-service.
Can't take anyone seriously who claims to be shocked or says this kind of thing can't happen where they are. Doesn't matter if it's Roy Williams or Coach K or Urban Meyer or anyone else in the industry who has given a naïve-sounding comment on this topic.
Notice the snarky caption on a photo in that article:
"UCONN President Susan Herbst insists college basketball violations like the ones allegedly unveiled in an FBI probe couldn’t happen at UCONN even though it already has." 
Should the FBI question those in the scouting industry? How about those in the media that are so sanctimonious?
Pitino. he couldn't flip fast enough