I know most of you (including myself) would love to make the P5 the P6. While that right now is not TECHINICALLY true, we all desire that. As of right now, are you content with your program being a revolving door for coaches coming in to use your program as a stepping stool to get into a major P5 school?
As a Tiger fan looking back on so many dreadful, Porter-ful years in the past, I really don't mind the idea of Memphis being a program where up and coming coaches come to make a name for themselves for a major P5 job. To think of Memphis as a job that up and coming coaches look to as a great place to win and make a name for themselves is a compliment in and of itself. If Memphis can continue being a school that consistently brings in the Fuentes and Norvells of the world for 3-5 years and maintains a solid 8-10 win team each and every year, I really do not mind that idea. Maybe you will look at this post and think I am settling, but as of right now, it seems more unlikely for us to either join P5 or become P6.
It seems that the only schools as of late in the AAC who can bring in these type of coaches are Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and maybe Temple.
Is this a ridiculous outlook to have? What we all want is to be a program that keeps a solid coach, but I just don't see that as reality right now.
(09-21-2017 09:55 AM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you (including myself) would love to make the P5 the P6. While that right now is not TECHINICALLY true, we all desire that. As of right now, are you content with your program being a revolving door for coaches coming in to use your program as a stepping stool to get into a major P5 school?
As a Tiger fan looking back on so many dreadful, Porter-ful years in the past, I really don't mind the idea of Memphis being a program where up and coming coaches come to make a name for themselves for a major P5 job. To think of Memphis as a job that up and coming coaches look to as a great place to win and make a name for themselves is a compliment in and of itself. If Memphis can continue being a school that consistently brings in the Fuentes and Norvells of the world for 3-5 years and maintains a solid 8-10 win team each and every year, I really do not mind that idea. Maybe you will look at this post and think I am settling, but as of right now, it seems more unlikely for us to either join P5 or become P6.
It seems that the only schools as of late in the AAC who can bring in these type of coaches are Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and maybe Temple.
Is this a ridiculous outlook to have? What we all want is to be a program that keeps a solid coach, but I just don't see that as reality right now.
I mean its definitely better than the alternative. But at the end of the day i will never be content with being a revolving door school. I want to be a school that keeps good coaches which means getting into a P5 conference.
(09-21-2017 10:07 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2017 09:55 AM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you (including myself) would love to make the P5 the P6. While that right now is not TECHINICALLY true, we all desire that. As of right now, are you content with your program being a revolving door for coaches coming in to use your program as a stepping stool to get into a major P5 school?
As a Tiger fan looking back on so many dreadful, Porter-ful years in the past, I really don't mind the idea of Memphis being a program where up and coming coaches come to make a name for themselves for a major P5 job. To think of Memphis as a job that up and coming coaches look to as a great place to win and make a name for themselves is a compliment in and of itself. If Memphis can continue being a school that consistently brings in the Fuentes and Norvells of the world for 3-5 years and maintains a solid 8-10 win team each and every year, I really do not mind that idea. Maybe you will look at this post and think I am settling, but as of right now, it seems more unlikely for us to either join P5 or become P6.
It seems that the only schools as of late in the AAC who can bring in these type of coaches are Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and maybe Temple.
Is this a ridiculous outlook to have? What we all want is to be a program that keeps a solid coach, but I just don't see that as reality right now.
I mean its definitely better than the alternative. But at the end of the day i will never be content with being a revolving door school. I want to be a school that keeps good coaches which means getting into a P5 conference.
Like I said, we ALL want that more than anything, but right now it just doesn't seem reality. For Memphis to even be a school where coaches WANT to go to make a name for themselves is a far cry from where the program was for so long.
(09-21-2017 10:11 AM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2017 10:07 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2017 09:55 AM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you (including myself) would love to make the P5 the P6. While that right now is not TECHINICALLY true, we all desire that. As of right now, are you content with your program being a revolving door for coaches coming in to use your program as a stepping stool to get into a major P5 school?
As a Tiger fan looking back on so many dreadful, Porter-ful years in the past, I really don't mind the idea of Memphis being a program where up and coming coaches come to make a name for themselves for a major P5 job. To think of Memphis as a job that up and coming coaches look to as a great place to win and make a name for themselves is a compliment in and of itself. If Memphis can continue being a school that consistently brings in the Fuentes and Norvells of the world for 3-5 years and maintains a solid 8-10 win team each and every year, I really do not mind that idea. Maybe you will look at this post and think I am settling, but as of right now, it seems more unlikely for us to either join P5 or become P6.
It seems that the only schools as of late in the AAC who can bring in these type of coaches are Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and maybe Temple.
Is this a ridiculous outlook to have? What we all want is to be a program that keeps a solid coach, but I just don't see that as reality right now.
I mean its definitely better than the alternative. But at the end of the day i will never be content with being a revolving door school. I want to be a school that keeps good coaches which means getting into a P5 conference.
Like I said, we ALL want that more than anything, but right now it just doesn't seem reality. For Memphis to even be a school where coaches WANT to go to make a name for themselves is a far cry from where the program was for so long.
Very true!
Every single program in the country can be a stepping stone if you hire the right coach. Only a small handful are really unlikely to be a stepping stone. Depending on what happens at Mississippi State this year I could see Mullen taking a premier job somewhere. Tuberville went from Ole Miss to Auburn. Saban went from Michigan State to LSU. Even a program like USC saw Carroll leave to go to the NFL. If AAC coaches are leaving for really good jobs that's a good reflection on the conference.
TCU and Boise have been great programs for the last 16/17 years cause their coaches have stuck around.
With so many coaching changes you'll eventually get a dud. Cincy with Tuberville and Houston with Levine.
False premise....
We ARE P6....not that we HOPE to be. Helmet stickers don't lie.
(09-21-2017 09:55 AM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you (including myself) would love to make the P5 the P6. While that right now is not TECHINICALLY true, we all desire that. As of right now, are you content with your program being a revolving door for coaches coming in to use your program as a stepping stool to get into a major P5 school?
As a Tiger fan looking back on so many dreadful, Porter-ful years in the past, I really don't mind the idea of Memphis being a program where up and coming coaches come to make a name for themselves for a major P5 job. To think of Memphis as a job that up and coming coaches look to as a great place to win and make a name for themselves is a compliment in and of itself. If Memphis can continue being a school that consistently brings in the Fuentes and Norvells of the world for 3-5 years and maintains a solid 8-10 win team each and every year, I really do not mind that idea. Maybe you will look at this post and think I am settling, but as of right now, it seems more unlikely for us to either join P5 or become P6.
It seems that the only schools as of late in the AAC who can bring in these type of coaches are Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and maybe Temple.
Is this a ridiculous outlook to have? What we all want is to be a program that keeps a solid coach, but I just don't see that as reality right now.
smu offers the highest starting salary above anyone in the aac...they are located in dallas..chad morris was one of the hottest assistant when he was hired at smu (clemsons OC)
smu is on tht list probabaly more than some you listed
as far as stepping stones it will likely be the case until we have a chance at a title...winning national titles is a coaches dream and if a path is made many of them will be willing to stay....
Most in the AAC would offer 6/7 mil if we really thought it was a national champion calibur coach, wichita already paying an obscene amount for marshall and thats basketball
Tulsa is on that list as well. Kragthorpe, Graham, Morris, Malzhan have all been through here as HC's or assistants. We expect somebody to come for Monty in the not-too-distant future.
(09-21-2017 12:08 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Every single program in the country can be a stepping stone if you hire the right coach. Only a small handful are really unlikely to be a stepping stone. Depending on what happens at Mississippi State this year I could see Mullen taking a premier job somewhere. Tuberville went from Ole Miss to Auburn. Saban went from Michigan State to LSU. Even a program like USC saw Carroll leave to go to the NFL. If AAC coaches are leaving for really good jobs that's a good reflection on the conference.
Obviously every program that has a good coach leave for a better program can be considered at that point "a stepping stone." However, I would not categorize top P5 teams that have coaches leave for the elites as "stepping stone programs". Technically speaking, your statement might be accurate, but I would only categorize stepping stone programs as programs that are truly unable to keep a coach who brings in supreme success. I completely agree that having so many teams in the AAC who have repeated success stories of coaches winning at a high level very much puts a gloss on this conference. Without a doubt the AAC is the premier destination for coaches who are a job away from getting their top tier P5 jobs.
(09-21-2017 12:32 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2017 09:55 AM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ]I know most of you (including myself) would love to make the P5 the P6. While that right now is not TECHINICALLY true, we all desire that. As of right now, are you content with your program being a revolving door for coaches coming in to use your program as a stepping stool to get into a major P5 school?
As a Tiger fan looking back on so many dreadful, Porter-ful years in the past, I really don't mind the idea of Memphis being a program where up and coming coaches come to make a name for themselves for a major P5 job. To think of Memphis as a job that up and coming coaches look to as a great place to win and make a name for themselves is a compliment in and of itself. If Memphis can continue being a school that consistently brings in the Fuentes and Norvells of the world for 3-5 years and maintains a solid 8-10 win team each and every year, I really do not mind that idea. Maybe you will look at this post and think I am settling, but as of right now, it seems more unlikely for us to either join P5 or become P6.
It seems that the only schools as of late in the AAC who can bring in these type of coaches are Memphis, USF, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati, and maybe Temple.
Is this a ridiculous outlook to have? What we all want is to be a program that keeps a solid coach, but I just don't see that as reality right now.
smu offers the highest starting salary above anyone in the aac...they are located in dallas..chad morris was one of the hottest assistant when he was hired at smu (clemsons OC)
smu is on tht list probabaly more than some you listed
as far as stepping stones it will likely be the case until we have a chance at a title...winning national titles is a coaches dream and if a path is made many of them will be willing to stay....
Most in the AAC would offer 6/7 mil if we really thought it was a national champion calibur coach, wichita already paying an obscene amount for marshall and thats basketball
SMU has a ton to offer and probably more than other AAC schools, to be honest. However, I would wait until I see Chad Morris leave to put them in that category.
Yeah, I agree for sure that it might make the decision to leave one of our schools a little tougher when the national championship factor becomes realistic.
(09-21-2017 12:09 PM)UHDC Wrote: [ -> ]TCU and Boise have been great programs for the last 16/17 years cause their coaches have stuck around.
With so many coaching changes you'll eventually get a dud. Cincy with Tuberville and Houston with Levine.
Having supreme coaches last that long seems to be an anomaly to me. Boise had their coach stay for a good while, but I think he'd admit, if he were honest, that moving to an established P5 program was always his goal. I think he liked Boise a lot and was probably hopeful that Boise would get invited to a P5 conference, which would have probably made him stay. Once he realized those chances were squashed, that probably solidified his decision to leave.
As far as Patterson at TCU, that is extremely rare. It paid off for him, though, because they got that highly coveted P5 invite.
(09-21-2017 12:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa is on that list as well. Kragthorpe, Graham, Morris, Malzhan have all been through here as HC's or assistants. We expect somebody to come for Monty in the not-too-distant future.
Genuinely asking, which of those coaches came to Tulsa to be the head coach and left for a big program to be the head coach? That is just what I kind of think of as a stepping stone type program. IMO.
(09-21-2017 12:44 PM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ]SMU has a ton to offer and probably more than other AAC schools, to be honest. However, I would wait until I see Chad Morris leave to put them in that category.
Yeah, I agree for sure that it might make the decision to leave one of our schools a little tougher when the national championship factor becomes realistic.
smu took chad morris when he could have probably gotten a p5 offer...smu took june jones when he was undefeated at Hawaii
if we are honest, the coaches havent performed yet but the coaches smu has hired have had better resumes prior their hiring than probably ever other aac coach hire not tom herman if you deduct points for being a retread who were down in their career when hired
(09-21-2017 12:51 PM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2017 12:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa is on that list as well. Kragthorpe, Graham, Morris, Malzhan have all been through here as HC's or assistants. We expect somebody to come for Monty in the not-too-distant future.
Genuinely asking, which of those coaches came to Tulsa to be the head coach and left for a big program to be the head coach? That is just what I kind of think of as a stepping stone type program. IMO.
malzahan and auburn, kragthrope went to louisville, graham went o asu i believe
With the exception of about 10-12 programs, every school is a stepping stone job. Heck, just a few years ago Lane Kiffin bailed on Tennessee for USC.
(09-21-2017 12:55 PM)pesik Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2017 12:51 PM)tharmon15 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-21-2017 12:39 PM)invisiblehand Wrote: [ -> ]Tulsa is on that list as well. Kragthorpe, Graham, Morris, Malzhan have all been through here as HC's or assistants. We expect somebody to come for Monty in the not-too-distant future.
Genuinely asking, which of those coaches came to Tulsa to be the head coach and left for a big program to be the head coach? That is just what I kind of think of as a stepping stone type program. IMO.
malzahan and auburn, kragthrope went to louisville, graham went o asu i believe
Graham went to Pitt first then ASU. Kragthorpe to Louisville, Malzahn went OC Tulsa to OC Auburn to HC Ark State to HC Auburn. Morris went Tulsa OC to Clemson OC to SMU HC. Monty's co offensive coordinators went from Tulsa to Texas.
It just shows that Tulsa's staff HC and Assistants are usually looked to to fill bigger positions.
Although Paul Johnson left for Georgia Tech, Coach Niumatalolo has been turning down offers.
Not just the very hard decision to say "no" to BYU... PJ Fleck took the Minnesota job after Niumat wouldn't even take their calls.
I just want to kick our coach and the administration out the door, that is all.
We will be until there is a level payout field across college football. Like it or not, a good coach for anyone of us that can turn anyone of us around will be what someone in a under performing program wants--and they have the ability to step up the financial package.