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Apparently Dan Ford has never heard of the Alpha Dogs.

http://www.breezejmu.org/opinion/where-y...e7dbd.html

Here we go again...

I agree that students invest a LOT into the program, but tuition is still extremely affordable compared to others. And if a student is extremely offended by the fees, you can always go somewhere that doesn't require students to invest so heavily into athletics.

Claiming the University is wasting their money on pretty uniforms and locker rooms is BS. I hope there is another opinion editorial clearing up those misconceptions.

(09-18-2017 01:49 PM)JMad03 Wrote: [ -> ]Here we go again...

I agree that students invest a LOT into the program, but tuition is still extremely affordable compared to others. And if a student is extremely offended by the fees, you can always go somewhere that doesn't require students to invest so heavily into athletics.

Claiming the University is wasting their money on pretty uniforms and locker rooms is BS. I hope there is another opinion editorial clearing up those misconceptions.

all of the above is correct, but the reason that article was so bad is because the university didn't pay for those things.

the Alpha Dogs (aka - alum) paid for them.

the AD's are free to do what they want with their money. And they chose to give JMU football some sweet ass uni's and a kick ass locker room.

The headline is also misleading. Big surprise.

Your tuition money is technically separate from fees. Fees pay for athletics, tuition does not.

If you're going to put forth an attack piece, at least get your facts correct.

(09-18-2017 02:06 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The headline is also misleading. Big surprise.

Your tuition money is technically separate from fees. Fees pay for athletics, tuition does not.

If you're going to put forth an attack piece, at least get your facts correct.

That's a pretty petty distinction. You can't pay tuition without fees, so the check you have to write when the semester starts is going into athletics.

Now, one should argue that the Alpha Dogs should really give money to academics, and they'd have a reasonable argument, but that's for a different thread.

(09-18-2017 02:14 PM)94computerguy Wrote: [ -> ]That's a pretty petty distinction. You can't pay tuition without fees, so the check you have to write when the semester starts is going into athletics.

Now, one should argue that the Alpha Dogs should really give money to academics, and they'd have a reasonable argument, but that's for a different thread.

I guess I just expect accuracy from journalism, even if its amateur collegiate journalism. The entire piece reeks of a failure to appropriately research before writing.

I remember when I was a freshman, an upperclassman wrote an op-ed basically saying that the freshmen class was too smart, studied too much, wasn't any fun, etc, etc, etc. (I think he even said something to the effect that the girls weren't as pretty too. Imagine that today.)

He claimed it made the upperclassmen feel bad, and demanded that JMU go back to letting dumb kids in again. Anyone with half a brain could tell it was satire, but it of course elicited a predictable response from people who didn't have the facts, or a sense of humor. This op-ed reminded me of that.

Side question (and a serious one). Does the Breeze have some responsibility to ensure that the op-eds it publishes are at least somewhat factually correct? Does no one at the Breeze know about the Alpha Dogs?

(09-18-2017 02:14 PM)94computerguy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2017 02:06 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The headline is also misleading. Big surprise.

Your tuition money is technically separate from fees. Fees pay for athletics, tuition does not.

If you're going to put forth an attack piece, at least get your facts correct.

That's a pretty petty distinction. You can't pay tuition without fees, so the check you have to write when the semester starts is going into athletics.

Now, one should argue that the Alpha Dogs should really give money to academics, and they'd have a reasonable argument, but that's for a different thread.

I am sure that most give to both areas....

(09-18-2017 02:14 PM)94computerguy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2017 02:06 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The headline is also misleading. Big surprise.

Your tuition money is technically separate from fees. Fees pay for athletics, tuition does not.

If you're going to put forth an attack piece, at least get your facts correct.

That's a pretty petty distinction. You can't pay tuition without fees, so the check you have to write when the semester starts is going into athletics.

Now, one should argue that the Alpha Dogs should really give money to academics, and they'd have a reasonable argument, but that's for a different thread.

not really.

no one should ever argue what someone should do with their own money.

this article is about as valid as saying this is where your tuition dollars are going

https://twitter.com/JMUBarstool/status/9...8346051584

Quote:Of course, if this athletic funding is met with the success of these sports programs, there may be some justification for the high rate of mandatory student financing being used to fund these programs.

I think this is the "best" quote of the article. Let me b!tch about high fees, BUT if the teams are good, then nevermind, it is all good.

Dan clearly didn't go to Frisco.

I know the article is not about the Alpha Dogs, but had the writer done any homework for this attack piece, he would've had to have mentioned the Alpha Dogs. The Alpha Dogs do absolutely nothing that should be criticized. They ought to championed, and I know many on here do. If they want to give their money to buy new uniforms for the team every year, month or week, it's nobody else's business. It's their money, they can spend it how they like.

Besides, like someone else said, most of those guys give more money to other aspects of the university than this dimwit, op-ed writer will ever think about giving back to JMU.

This is just another example of drive-by journalism. He's trying to illicit a negative response by dropping word bombs. Get your facts correct before writing this drivel!

That was awful.. so he probably has a bright future in journalism...

Up next- calls for a congressional limit on the escalating issue of too many uniforms, think of the children!

(09-18-2017 02:19 PM)JMUTrippster Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2017 02:14 PM)94computerguy Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2017 02:06 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The headline is also misleading. Big surprise.

Your tuition money is technically separate from fees. Fees pay for athletics, tuition does not.

If you're going to put forth an attack piece, at least get your facts correct.

That's a pretty petty distinction. You can't pay tuition without fees, so the check you have to write when the semester starts is going into athletics.

Now, one should argue that the Alpha Dogs should really give money to academics, and they'd have a reasonable argument, but that's for a different thread.

I am sure that most give to both areas....

Eh, no, one shouldn't argue.
https://www.jmu.edu/news/2017/04/10-mm-cliff-wood.shtml
$250k to Athletics
$500k to General Endowment
Time to the Student-Athlete Leadership Development Program, the Madison Founders Society, the President's Council AND the board of the JMU Foundation.
Doesn't seem like much of an base to argue if you want to try.


Mike Battle: In addition to his $600k gift... "JMU Athletics will work over the next year, with assistance from Battle, to integrate his internship endeavor into the current leadership development program, while also growing existing partnerships with local companies for internship opportunities."
Moats: "While also helping the communities of his NFL teams, Moats made a $300,000 donation to JMU in 2015. The money was divided among three programs: JMU’s studio art program; to benefit the Duke Club; and to aid the planning of the new Convocation Center."
Steve Brown: Chair of the Honors Advisory Council. I can only speculate the hundreds of hours he has giving to JMU and hist impact with the Honors College.
Joe Showker: Madison Trust, President's Council and Alpha Dog

Hopefully the Breeze will issue a retraction. It's embarassing that basic facts about the Alpha Dogs was missed here. I would hate for the student population to read this and actually believe their tuition is going towards new uniforms and lockers.

Checked the link. Page doesn't load anymore.

This guy joins a long list of emo kids who want to make a name for themselves by bashing the most popular sport. What a jerkwad

Dan Ford is Jon Alger

The Breeze announced that the article was deleted due to factual errors.

https://twitter.com/TheBreezeJMU/status/...1336834048