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(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.
(08-15-2017 07:23 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: [ -> ]WEST
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas

SOUTH
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

NORTH
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia

EAST
ECU
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida


Markets: Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Little Rock, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, DC, Pittsburgh, Tidewater VA, Greenville NC, Wilmington, Raleigh, Charlotte, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando/Tampa

I applaud your dedication. 04-cheers
(08-15-2017 07:23 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: [ -> ]WEST
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas

SOUTH
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Alabama
Auburn

NORTH
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia

EAST
SECU
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida


Markets: Houston, Dallas, Oklahoma City, Tulsa, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Shreveport, Little Rock, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, Knoxville, Lexington, Louisville, DC, Pittsburgh, Tidewater VA, Greenville NC, Wilmington, Raleigh, Charlotte, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Orlando/Tampa

FIFY
(08-16-2017 08:21 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.

Actually he set up divisions that all for all rivals to be played with only 1 rival remaining extraneous to the division. So with this set up everyone can play their major rivals and keep 1 permanent rival out of division.
The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.
(08-16-2017 11:45 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 08:21 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.

Actually he set up divisions that all for all rivals to be played with only 1 rival remaining extraneous to the division. So with this set up everyone can play their major rivals and keep 1 permanent rival out of division.

True.

My concern would be how one qualifies for the CCG. Would there be semis or a rotation based on pods?

Unless we're guaranteed to have semis then winning that division would be much easier than winning the others in most years. Whereas a couple of those divisions would be murderer's row.
(08-16-2017 02:11 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 11:45 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 08:21 AM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-15-2017 09:52 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]West
A&M, LSU, Ole, MSU

Ark, Mizz, OU, OSU

Ala, Vanderbilt, Tenn, Kentucky

Auburn Florida Georgia South Carolina

As much as I would appreciate the wins against Vandy and Kentucky every year, that division is too easy.

There's got to be greater balance I think.

Actually he set up divisions that all for all rivals to be played with only 1 rival remaining extraneous to the division. So with this set up everyone can play their major rivals and keep 1 permanent rival out of division.

True.

My concern would be how one qualifies for the CCG. Would there be semis or a rotation based on pods?

Unless we're guaranteed to have semis then winning that division would be much easier than winning the others in most years. Whereas a couple of those divisions would be murderer's row.

Yes there would be semis. Win your division (inclusive of your other conference schedule) and you go to the semis.

You would play everyone in your division every year, 1 permanent rival from each of the other 3 divisions, and you would rotate a game with 1 member of each other division annually. In three years you will have played everyone, kept all of your rivals, and have twice the chance you have now to make the CCG.
(08-16-2017 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.

Because of today's dollars it's not much of a credible threat unless is has been ESPN's
goal to move Texas to the ACC the entire time.
It would certainly sew up the entire SouthWest by taking only three schools (only two new mouths to feed).
Texas could continue to play Oklahoma and rotate Arkansas and A&M and with a few AAC west games (out of: SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston), they would have the whole area covered and with exposure up and down the east coast.
(08-16-2017 04:04 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.

Because of today's dollars it's not much of a credible threat unless is has been ESPN's
goal to move Texas to the ACC the entire time.
It would certainly sew up the entire SouthWest by taking only three schools (only two new mouths to feed).
Texas could continue to play Oklahoma and rotate Arkansas and A&M and with a few AAC west games (out of: SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston), they would have the whole area covered and with exposure up and down the east coast.

They'd have to join in full. Notre Dame ultimately would as well.

The new iteration of the P4 with a playoff will likely guarantee a champs only format.
(08-16-2017 04:04 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.

Because of today's dollars it's not much of a credible threat unless is has been ESPN's
goal to move Texas to the ACC the entire time.
It would certainly sew up the entire SouthWest by taking only three schools (only two new mouths to feed).
Texas could continue to play Oklahoma and rotate Arkansas and A&M and with a few AAC west games (out of: SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston), they would have the whole area covered and with exposure up and down the east coast.

X, Texas in the ACC playing a partial schedule and playing SEC schools increases the value of both of ESPN's conferences and playing AAC schools heightens the profitability of those games as well. It is where Texas earns ESPN the most money. The SEC was there if Texas totally rejected the partial membership. But all cows have to be herded if you want them to get from point A to point B. The question hanging is whether they are accepting of either contingency. I think if they had made up their minds we would already have seen more action going on.

If they willingly go to the ACC I wonder if the SEC will push harder for another option besides OSU or if the pair has been approved by ESPN all along.
(08-16-2017 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 04:04 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.

Because of today's dollars it's not much of a credible threat unless is has been ESPN's
goal to move Texas to the ACC the entire time.
It would certainly sew up the entire SouthWest by taking only three schools (only two new mouths to feed).
Texas could continue to play Oklahoma and rotate Arkansas and A&M and with a few AAC west games (out of: SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston), they would have the whole area covered and with exposure up and down the east coast.

X, Texas in the ACC playing a partial schedule and playing SEC schools increases the value of both of ESPN's conferences and playing AAC schools heightens the profitability of those games as well. It is where Texas earns ESPN the most money. The SEC was there if Texas totally rejected the partial membership. But all cows have to be herded if you want them to get from point A to point B. The question hanging is whether they are accepting of either contingency. I think if they had made up their minds we would already have seen more action going on.

If they willingly go to the ACC I wonder if the SEC will push harder for another option besides OSU or if the pair has been approved by ESPN all along.

The Texas folks have been awfully quiet.
Heck, we haven't even seen many trial balloons regarding CR all summer. Either decisions have been made and details are being worked out, or they are stalling as long as possible for concessions.
BTW, Notre Dame just signed a two year series with Wisconsin....it appears the Cincinnati/West Virginia/UConn option is dead (remember Delany's comments about feeling "crowded" by the ACC). They now have series scheduled with Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan next year. One B1G team for the next 10 years or so. This will be the extent of the ACC's penetration into the midwest.
(08-17-2017 06:16 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 04:32 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 04:04 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-16-2017 12:38 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]The dollars have gotten so big that the SEC can't afford to take Oklahoma State but they never would have. The real goal is and always has been is Texas AND Oklahoma

Of course it has been. Oklahoma State entered the discussion as yet another tool, or ploy, by which to corral Texas. Would they take Texas's slot? Would Oklahoma really move without Texas (quite possibly if OSU was taken care of as well)? Would the SEC even need Texas if Oklahoma came on board? While Texas would still add value the acquisition of Oklahoma gives the SEC everything they want in Texas when paired with the Aggies. Would Texas want to head to the Big 10 if Oklahoma and A&M and Arkansas were in the SEC? Possibly not because it would give too much intrinsic support within Texas for a conference that had so many familiar old faces.

So playing the Cowboys card has been, and remains an important part of this strategy. Why? Because an SEC with A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, L.S.U., and even O.S.U. would seem far more local an interesting to Texas viewers than Texas would seem if playing Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, and Kansas in a Western division of the Big 10. (And the PAC is a non issue.)

The real question Xlance is would the SEC have executed that proposed move? I think the answer to that question is yes which is why it is an effective strategy. Why would we not execute a move that gives us Texas without taking Texas and which would cut them off from their natural support base with any decision they made that did not include being part of the SEC, except one?

Their only option in the face of OU / OSU to the SEC is the ACC as a partial where they could play Arkansas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma if they desired without having to join the SEC. This keeps them aloof but accepted within their own state. It pleases their fans and donors. And they don't have to suffer the humiliation of admitting that the SEC got the best of them. And that is why Finebaum and ESPN support the strategy of playing the OSU card. Either way ESPN gets Texas and Texas adds value to their product in both the SEC and ACC. End of story.

Because of today's dollars it's not much of a credible threat unless is has been ESPN's
goal to move Texas to the ACC the entire time.
It would certainly sew up the entire SouthWest by taking only three schools (only two new mouths to feed).
Texas could continue to play Oklahoma and rotate Arkansas and A&M and with a few AAC west games (out of: SMU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and Houston), they would have the whole area covered and with exposure up and down the east coast.

X, Texas in the ACC playing a partial schedule and playing SEC schools increases the value of both of ESPN's conferences and playing AAC schools heightens the profitability of those games as well. It is where Texas earns ESPN the most money. The SEC was there if Texas totally rejected the partial membership. But all cows have to be herded if you want them to get from point A to point B. The question hanging is whether they are accepting of either contingency. I think if they had made up their minds we would already have seen more action going on.

If they willingly go to the ACC I wonder if the SEC will push harder for another option besides OSU or if the pair has been approved by ESPN all along.

The Texas folks have been awfully quiet.
Heck, we haven't even seen many trial balloons regarding CR all summer. Either decisions have been made and details are being worked out, or they are stalling as long as possible for concessions.
BTW, Notre Dame just signed a two year series with Wisconsin....it appears the Cincinnati/West Virginia/UConn option is dead (remember Delany's comments about feeling "crowded" by the ACC). They now have series scheduled with Purdue, Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan next year. One B1G team for the next 10 years or so. This will be the extent of the ACC's penetration into the midwest.

I still think Cincinnati, West Virginia, and Connecticut would be considered by the ACC down the road if conferences get that large. Those are 3 of the best options left outside the B1G, SEC, ACC, and PAC within the ACC footprint.
As contemplated in another thread on this board (T4 to PAC) along with the end of the ACC GoR and presuming being in a conference is far, far more beneficial and opportunistic than not...perhaps something like this unfolds:

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
South: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
West: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
East: Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Houston

B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern,
Central: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St
East: Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College

SEC
West: Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa St
Central: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Alabama, Auburn
East: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

ACC
South: Miami, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson
East: North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest
North: Virginia, Virginia Tech, Temple, Connecticut
West: West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, Memphis
BIG TEN
WEST: Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa State, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
EAST: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn

ACC
NORTH: Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincinnati, Louisville, Notre Dame, Memphis, Navy* (Georgetown), Miami
SOUTH: Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State

SEC:
EAST: Kentucky, West Virginia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, ECU, South Carolina, Georgia, Auburn, Florida
WEST: Alabama, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Arkansas, Texas A&M, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

PAC-18:
EAST: UNLV, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech, Houston, Rice
WEST: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Hawaii
ACC 18

Boston College
Cincinnati
Clemson
Connecticut
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia
(08-18-2017 12:46 PM)DukeFan Wrote: [ -> ]ACC 18

Boston College
Cincinnati
Clemson
Connecticut
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia

IMO, that lineup makes the most sense geographically, culturally, and it still adds a significant number of new viewers while bringing in decent hoops and football (UConn excepted as being a good football add).
(08-18-2017 02:51 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-18-2017 12:46 PM)DukeFan Wrote: [ -> ]ACC 18

Boston College
Cincinnati
Clemson
Connecticut
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Louisville
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia

IMO, that lineup makes the most sense geographically, culturally, and it still adds a significant number of new viewers while bringing in decent hoops and football (UConn excepted as being a good football add).

That's pretty much the best natural 18 for the ACC. Adding UConn will piss off BC, but BC just is pure dead weight up there right now athletically.
Atlantic Division:

Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Wake Forest

(Big) East Division

West Virginia
Cincinnati
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Louisville
Boston College
Connecticut
Virginia Tech
(08-18-2017 05:20 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: [ -> ]Atlantic Division:

Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Wake Forest

(Big) East Division

West Virginia
Cincinnati
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Louisville
Boston College
Connecticut
Virginia Tech

Pretty much two separate conferences from a decade or two ago.
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