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This is great. What is more great is that all the G4 commissioners are completely content with the status quo and quiet as well. When was the last time you heard anything from them about a plan to make their conference better in the long term?

Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

(07-19-2017 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

The only stable conferences are the B1G, SEC, and PAC.

^ why you say that? curious

(07-19-2017 08:55 PM)Ed Teach Wrote: [ -> ]^ why you say that? curious

PAC (stable due to geography)
SEC/B1G (stable due to being the biggest money-makers)

Those are the only conferences that haven't had any defections in recent realignment. The ACC might have stabilized with the creation of their conference network, but there are still some unhappy Big 12 schools. If any Power conference expands, the trickle-down effect could potentially hit any other "lesser" conference.

(07-19-2017 09:07 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:55 PM)Ed Teach Wrote: [ -> ]^ why you say that? curious

PAC (stable due to geography)
SEC/B1G (stable due to being the biggest money-makers)

Those are the only conferences that haven't had any defections in recent realignment. The ACC might have stabilized with the creation of their conference network, but there are still some unhappy Big 12 schools. If any Power conference expands, the trickle-down effect could potentially hit any other "lesser" conference.

this

if the Pac, B1G, and SEC wanted to, the B12 and ACC would be gone. They would poach both of them into oblivion.


The B12 and the ACC could not do that in reverse.


That's the difference.

(07-19-2017 08:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

The only stable conferences are the B1G, SEC, and PAC.

Yeah I think kittonhead just meant that MAC and C-USA and Sun Belt members by and large aren't seen as desirable by the American should it need to reload.

MAC has tons of reload options if they need to (UMass again, JMU, Dakotas), C-USA is at 14 and can stand to lose 4 members before they need to reload and I don't see that happening. So the SBC by extension is safe, and has EKU/Liberty in their back pocket.

MWC will get absolutely gutted, though.

The G's have nothing to prove and aren't facing an existential crisis so they aren't being proactive. Meanwhile C-USA gets paid in monopoly money for tv contract, MAC teams play on Tuesdays in front of empty stadiums, and MWC actually should be preparing for its survival... we could all use an Aresco...

Good article. Our league will be ripped apart before it ever reaches power status, but it can become the clear #6.

(07-19-2017 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

Whether there is a threat to AAC stability or not, there's absolutely zero the AAC commissioner can do about it. If a real Power conference were to announce that they were going to add two teams from the G5 this year, every AAC school would line up hat in hand to beg for one of them, like we all did with the Big 12 last year.

(07-29-2017 04:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

Whether there is a threat to AAC stability or not, there's absolutely zero the AAC commissioner can do about it. If a real Power conference were to announce that they were going to add two teams from the G5 this year, every AAC school would line up hat in hand to beg for one of them, like we all did with the Big 12 last year.

Everyone knows we will jump for a $30 million distribution. The reality is espn just paid for them not to expand so we are all tied together until at least 2025. Simple as that. The power 6 initiative is about perception, better tv deal, and better bowls.

Aresco is at least going down with a fight. It is up to the individual teams to show something now.

The P6 talk is not really about the P5 as of today, it is about the G4. and not seen as part of the gang. That perception can become reality fairly quickly depending on next TV deal and bowl contracts.

First step is TV, can we get real separation with rest of G4? I think we have to go over $5 mil for that to happen. $7 plus would be better.

Second step is bowls, can we get a 2nd tier bowl for Champ/2 vs a top 5 P5 team? even if we get paid less.

If we pull off both, lumping us in with the rest gets a bit harder, claiming tweener status easier.

(07-29-2017 08:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]The P6 talk is not really about the P5 as of today, it is about the G4. and not seen as part of the gang. That perception can become reality fairly quickly depending on next TV deal and bowl contracts.

First step is TV, can we get real separation with rest of G4? I think we have to go over $5 mil for that to happen. $7 plus would be better.

Second step is bowls, can we get a 2nd tier bowl for Champ/2 vs a top 5 P5 team? even if we get paid less.

If we pull off both, lumping us in with the rest gets a bit harder, claiming tweener status easier.

Exactly. Aresco is not asking for 30 million a year and playoff access as a P league but the P6 drive is all about separating from the G's in money and access.

If he can do that in next round by as stated above
7 million tv contract
Better bowl access for our champ if not in Access

He would have done a great job. The AAC could always be raided by the P5 but we can then raid the G4

(07-29-2017 06:41 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2017 04:59 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

Whether there is a threat to AAC stability or not, there's absolutely zero the AAC commissioner can do about it. If a real Power conference were to announce that they were going to add two teams from the G5 this year, every AAC school would line up hat in hand to beg for one of them, like we all did with the Big 12 last year.

Everyone knows we will jump for a $30 million distribution. The reality is espn just paid for them not to expand so we are all tied together until at least 2025. Simple as that. The power 6 initiative is about perception, better tv deal, and better bowls.

Aresco is at least going down with a fight. It is up to the individual teams to show something now.

My comment was addressed to someone who said the reason Aresco jabbers alot and the other G5 commissioners don't is because they don't have stability issues and we do. I was just pointing out that this can't be correct because if we have a stability issue it is in the form of P5 poaching and Aresco is helpless against that.

That said, i agree with you: We don't have a stability issue because we are in fact quite stable - nobody is leaving until at least 2025, for the reason you stated.

(07-29-2017 08:34 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-29-2017 08:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]The P6 talk is not really about the P5 as of today, it is about the G4. and not seen as part of the gang. That perception can become reality fairly quickly depending on next TV deal and bowl contracts.

First step is TV, can we get real separation with rest of G4? I think we have to go over $5 mil for that to happen. $7 plus would be better.

Second step is bowls, can we get a 2nd tier bowl for Champ/2 vs a top 5 P5 team? even if we get paid less.

If we pull off both, lumping us in with the rest gets a bit harder, claiming tweener status easier.

Exactly. Aresco is not asking for 30 million a year and playoff access as a P league but the P6 drive is all about separating from the G's in money and access.

If he can do that in next round by as stated above
7 million tv contract
Better bowl access for our champ if not in Access

He would have done a great job. The AAC could always be raided by the P5 but we can then raid the G4

Your comment prompts two thoughts:

(1) How can a P6 campaign help with TV and bowls? I don't think it can. Neither will be swayed by PR propaganda, TV has its own metrics for determining value and they will go by those. If we do get a raise to $7m or more a year in the next TV deal, it will be because our games proved over the past 5 years to be worth that much, not because of a P6 campaign.

As for bowls, I'm not sure it's possible for our bowl lineup to improve unless we can pry a bowl or two away from the P5, and that strikes me as unrealistic.

(2) Also, concerning relations with the G4, again it seems like a P6 campaign is useless, because we already know we can backfill from other G conferences should we get poached by the G5. That's how most of our current members became members, by us (the stripped Big East) inviting them when we were raided by the P5 five years ago. We did that without a bigger TV deal.

So on both counts, the P6 campaign seems useless. I think its real purpose is internal, to make member schools feel better about our current stuck status in the G5. It's a feel-good thing.

(07-28-2017 11:18 PM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]Good article. Our league will be ripped apart before it ever reaches power status, but it can become the clear #6.

I'm not so sure about that. The fiasco that was B12 expansion demonstrated how hard it will br for them to get anything accomplished. Sure, we all begged to join ...but they did not want us (collectively), hence we're all still here.

At this point in time, it's just as likely that the B12 will be pulled apart and that their "leftovers" will be joining another conference.

(07-27-2017 09:52 AM)BKTopper Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

The only stable conferences are the B1G, SEC, and PAC.

Yeah I think kittonhead just meant that MAC and C-USA and Sun Belt members by and large aren't seen as desirable by the American should it need to reload.

MAC has tons of reload options if they need to (UMass again, JMU, Dakotas), C-USA is at 14 and can stand to lose 4 members before they need to reload and I don't see that happening. So the SBC by extension is safe, and has EKU/Liberty in their back pocket.

MWC will get absolutely gutted, though.

The G's have nothing to prove and aren't facing an existential crisis so they aren't being proactive. Meanwhile C-USA gets paid in monopoly money for tv contract, MAC teams play on Tuesdays in front of empty stadiums, and MWC actually should be preparing for its survival... we could all use an Aresco...

Pretty much. Commishes are all sitting on their hands waiting for a "P" promotion.

When the P5 break apart we just want to position ourselves to go with them. I think the P5 will split and take The American and MWC with them. Plus Army and BYU. That would give you 91 schools at FBS. Would also allow for 16 team playoff. 7 conference champions and 9 at large.

The only conference the P5 would break away with is the Big East (assuming they choose to break away in basketball too).

(07-27-2017 09:52 AM)BKTopper Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:44 PM)HuskyU Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2017 08:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]Because the G's don't have any threat to their stability.

Their commissioners can rest easy.

The only stable conferences are the B1G, SEC, and PAC.

Yeah I think kittonhead just meant that MAC and C-USA and Sun Belt members by and large aren't seen as desirable by the American should it need to reload.

MAC has tons of reload options if they need to (UMass again, JMU, Dakotas), C-USA is at 14 and can stand to lose 4 members before they need to reload and I don't see that happening. So the SBC by extension is safe, and has EKU/Liberty in their back pocket.

MWC will get absolutely gutted, though.

The G's have nothing to prove and aren't facing an existential crisis so they aren't being proactive. Meanwhile C-USA gets paid in monopoly money for tv contract, MAC teams play on Tuesdays in front of empty stadiums, and MWC actually should be preparing for its survival... we could all use an Aresco...

There are a few Gs spending hundreds of millions of dollars because they do not accept the status quo. But by and large you're right.

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