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EDIT: Updated as of 8/28/2019

http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/teams/index.shtml

Not sure who knows about this website, but I find it fascinating. You click on a team, then you can choose to see their record vs. other teams or conferences. For example, here is Akron's record vs other conferences: (http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/akron/index.shtml) You can then select that conference and see who they beat, the score, the year, etc. It's a really useful tool to check some teams history out.

Akron
ACC: 2-4 (Pitt 2014, NC State 2006)
B10: 1-20 (NW 2018)
B12: 0-5
Big East: 6-12 (Syracuse 2008, Temple 1999/1998/1993/1992/1991)
P12: 0-1
SEC: 0-7
Ind: 0-0

Ball State
ACC: 1-4 (Virginia 2013)
B10: 3-26 (Indiana 2012/2011/2008)
B12: 0-9
Big East: 1-7 (South Florida 2012)
P12: 0-1
SEC: 0-7
Ind: 0-1

Bowling Green
ACC: 0-6
B10: 8-20 (Purdue 2015/2003/1972, Maryland 2015, Indiana 2014, Minnesota 2007, Northwestern 2003/2001)
B12: 4-7 (Kansas 2002, Missouri 2002/2001/1995)
Big East: 5-6 (Pitt 2008, Temple 2004/2001/1996/1995)
P12: 0-3
SEC: 1-6 (Kentucky 1985)
Ind: 1-3 (Syracuse 1976)

Buffalo
ACC: 0-5
B10: 1-8 (Rutgers 2018)
B12: 0-6
Big East: 1-19 (Rutgers 2002)
P12: 0-0
SEC: 0-3
Ind: 0-2

Central Michigan
ACC: 0-12
B10: 6-26 (Purdue 2014, Iowa 2012, MSU 2009/1992/1991, Indiana 2008)
B12: 2-4 (Kansas 2017, Ok St. 2016)
Big East: 0-2
P12: 0-1
SEC: 0-9
Ind: 0-0

Eastern Michigan
ACC: 0-5
B10: 2-29 (Rutgers 2017, Purdue 2018)
B12: 0-1
Big East: 0-8
P12: 0-1
SEC: 0-9
Ind: 0-1

Kent State
ACC: 1-9 (NC State 1971)
B10: 0-17
B12: 2-10 (ISU 2007, Kansas 1987)
Big East: 1-9 (Rutgers 2012)
P12: 0-0
SEC: 0-14
Ind: 2-8 (Virginia Tech 1975, Syracuse 1974)

Miami
ACC: 4-4 (North Carolina 2002/1998/1978, Maryland 1969)
B10: 12-46 (Northwestern 2003/1999/1995/1982/1964/1955, Indiana 1977/1966/1954, Purdue 1975/1973/1962)
B12: 0-6
Big East: 3-9 (Syracuse 2007, Cincinnati 2005, VaTech 1997)
P12: 0-1
SEC: 6-9 (Vanderbilt 2000, LSU 1986, Kentucky 1979/1974, Georgia 1974, Florida 1973)
Ind: 3-6 (South Carolina 1975/1973/1972)

Northern Illinois
ACC: 2-9 (Maryland 2003, Wake Forest 2002)
B10: 7-38 (Nebraska 2017, Northwestern 2014, Purdue 2013/2009, Iowa 2013, Minnesota 2010, Wisconsin 1988)
B12: 5-11 (Kansas 2012/1983, ISU 2003, Kansas State 1990/1989)
Big East: 0-1
P12: 0-2
SEC: 1-10 (Alabama 2003)
Ind: 0-2

Ohio
ACC: 1-13 (Maryland 1997)
B10: 7-30 (Penn State 2012, Illinois 2006/1938/1935, Minnesota 2000, Northwestern 1973, Indiana 1929)
B12: 3-9 (Kansas 2017/2016/1967)
Big East: 1-7 (Pitt 2005)
P12: 0-0
SEC: 2-9 (Kentucky 2004/1971)
Ind: 0-13

Toledo
ACC: 0-2
B10: 6-14 (Purdue (2010/1997/1992, Michigan 2008, Minnesota 2001, Penn State 2000)
B12: 4-5 (ISU 2015/2007, Colorado 2009, Kansas 2006)
Big East: 5-7 (Cincinnati 2012, Temple 2004/2001/1998, Pitt 2003)
P12: 0-6
SEC: 1-3 (Arkansas 2015)
Ind: 0-2

Western Michigan
ACC: 1-7 (Virginia 2006)
B10: 6-42 (Illinois 2016/2008, Northwestern 2016, Iowa 2007/2000, Wisconsin 1988)
B12: 1-4 (ISU 1994)
Big East: 3-5 (UConn 2012/2011, Temple 1997)
P12: 0-1
SEC: 1-2 (Vanderbilt 1998)
Ind: 0-3

Overall Ranking by win %
1) Toledo 16-39 29% (last win 2015)
2) Bowling Green 19-51 27.1% (last win 2015)
3) Miami 28-81 25.7% (last win 2007)
4) Northern Illinois 15-73 17% (last win 2017)
5) Western Michigan 12-64 15.8% (last win 2016)
6) Akron 9-49 15.5% (last win 2018)
7) Ohio 14-81 14.7% (last win 2017)
8) Central Michigan 8-54 12.9% (last win 2017)
9) Ball State 5-55 8.3% (last win 2013)
10) Kent State 6-67 8.2% (last win 2012)
11) Buffalo 2-43 4.4% (last win 2018)
12) Eastern Michigan 2-54 3.5% (last win 2018)

Win % against the B10
1) Toledo 6-14 30% (last win 2010)
2) Bowling Green 8-20 28.6% (last win 2015)
3) Miami 12-46 20.7% (last win 2003)
4) Ohio 7-30 18.9% (last win 2012)
5) Central Michigan 6-26 18.7% (last win 2014)
6) Northern Illinois 7-38 15.9% (last win 2017)
7) Western Michigan 6-42 12.5% (last win 2016)
8) Buffalo 1-8 11% (last win 2018)
9) Ball State 3-26 10.3% (last win 2012)
10) Eastern Michigan 2-29 6.4% (last win 2018)
11) Akron 1-20 4.7% (last win 2018)
12) Kent State 0-17 0%
Ohio also beat Pitt in 2005 (although they were then a Big East school, now ACC).
cool site! thanks for sharing it with us!
(07-17-2017 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: [ -> ]Ohio also beat Pitt in 2005 (although they were then a Big East school, now ACC).

Right, I did not include Big East schools, just the current P5. It's a good win for sure, but that would have required too much work on my part to see which schools are currently P5 but were not at the time 03-wink
Interesting that NIU ties for the most games vs P5 teams. also that the worst team in MAC history per non-conf big games, EMU at 0-44, has played more of those schools that the MAC best, Toledo 11-28. Miami is 10-13 in school history vs the SEC and ACC, pretty good. Toledo's game at Miami (Fla) this year will be their first in history vs the ACC.
(07-17-2017 01:10 PM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2017 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: [ -> ]Ohio also beat Pitt in 2005 (although they were then a Big East school, now ACC).

Right, I did not include Big East schools, just the current P5. It's a good win for sure, but that would have required too much work on my part to see which schools are currently P5 but were not at the time 03-wink

Ah yes that would be why Kent State's win against Rutgers does not count even if Rutgers is B10 now.
(07-17-2017 02:45 PM)pono Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting that NIU ties for the most games vs P5 teams. also that the worst team in MAC history per non-conf big games, EMU at 0-44, has played more of those schools that the MAC best, Toledo 11-28. Miami is 10-13 in school history vs the SEC and ACC, pretty good. Toledo's game at Miami (Fla) this year will be their first in history vs the ACC.

NIU would still be behind Miami by 8 games. They have the same number of losses though.

You would figure EMU is bound to win 1 this year, they play Rutgers. Maybe Buffalo can get off the schneid too. Also, I was surprised to see how few games Toledo has played against P5 and also surprised Miami has not beaten a P5 team since 2003.
NIU has kind of beat up on the Big 10 in recent years, NIU has a winning record at 4-3 in its last 7 games vs Big 10 competition
EDIT: I added stats against the B10 because that conference is our "P5 rival" and the one we play the most.
You think Northwestern would learn their lesson and schedule Sun Belt teams or something after all those losses, but according to Wikipedia they're slated to play six MAC teams over the next eight years, including two more against Miami. Their win percentage is actually higher against the Big 12 (and barely against the ACC) than us.
(07-17-2017 08:54 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: [ -> ]You think Northwestern would learn their lesson and schedule Sun Belt teams or something after all those losses, but according to Wikipedia they're slated to play six MAC teams over the next eight years, including two more against Miami. Their win percentage is actually higher against the Big 12 (and barely against the ACC) than us.

I remember the 'good ole days' when anyone had a fighting chance to beat Northwestern in FB...

In those days, students did not go to Northwestern to watch sports... 03-lmfao
Toledo is 0-1 vs ACC, lost 24-0 in 1987 at Florida St



Excellent job compiling these stats, well done!
(07-17-2017 03:12 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2017 01:10 PM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2017 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: [ -> ]Ohio also beat Pitt in 2005 (although they were then a Big East school, now ACC).

Right, I did not include Big East schools, just the current P5. It's a good win for sure, but that would have required too much work on my part to see which schools are currently P5 but were not at the time 03-wink

Ah yes that would be why Kent State's win against Rutgers does not count even if Rutgers is B10 now.

The irony is that beating Rutgers now because they are are in the P5 is worth more than beating them when they were in the top 20 like KSU did.
Should break them down into home and road games%.
(07-18-2017 06:04 AM)Nick in Cleveland Wrote: [ -> ]Toledo is 0-1 vs ACC, lost 24-0 in 1987 at Florida St



Excellent job compiling these stats, well done!

FSU was independent in 1987. These stats show games where the teams were in one of the P5 conferences at the time. Someone else brought up Rutgers, but they were in the Big East when Kent State beat them. If EMU were to beat them this year it would count since they are currently B10. But thank you!

(07-18-2017 07:02 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Should break them down into home and road games%.

Yeah seriously, I bet 80% of those games were on the road.
(07-18-2017 05:44 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ]In those days, students did not go to Northwestern to watch sports...

"That's all right, that's OK, you're all gonna work for us one day!"
(07-17-2017 01:10 PM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-17-2017 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: [ -> ]Ohio also beat Pitt in 2005 (although they were then a Big East school, now ACC).

Right, I did not include Big East schools, just the current P5. It's a good win for sure, but that would have required too much work on my part to see which schools are currently P5 but were not at the time 03-wink

The Big East was part of the club. All but 3 football schools are not playing in a P5 today.

I'd count the all time records of West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and Louisville in this.
1.) It's interesting how little we actually play the PAC 12 and SEC.

2.) I know CMU has a reputation for beating Power 5 teams, but looking at this, they're really a middle-of-the-pack team.

3.) Looks like Northwestern, Illinois, and Purdue get beat up the most.

4.) That Toledo win over Michigan :) :) :)

5.) Hope to see a few more added to the list!

Also, OP, can you please add Kent St's win over Rutgers? I'd count it. Rutgers was pretty much a Power 5 team then.
(07-18-2017 07:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East was part of the club. All but 3 football schools are not playing in a P5 today.

I'd count the all time records of West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and Louisville in this.

So where do we draw the line on this? Are we doing all Big East schools? It seems ridiculous (to me) to count a school like Syracuse but not UConn. I understand a team like UConn went to the AAC and Syracuse went to the ACC, but how about Rutgers? They went to the AAC then the B10. Or even a team like Temple that has been all over the place....Independent, MAC, Big East, AAC. I can try, but I'm going to need help from other posters here determining which schools qualify. Someone mentioned Florida State, but they were an independent at the time. Obviously they are P5 now. So it would be too much work for me to go back every season and figure out which current or perceived P5 teams were in a different conference at the time of a loss.

I'm doing the Big East currently.
(07-19-2017 12:11 PM)george14 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-18-2017 07:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]The Big East was part of the club. All but 3 football schools are not playing in a P5 today.

I'd count the all time records of West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and Louisville in this.

So where do we draw the line on this? Are we doing all Big East schools? It seems ridiculous (to me) to count a school like Syracuse but not UConn. I understand a team like UConn went to the AAC and Syracuse went to the ACC, but how about Rutgers? They went to the AAC then the B10. Or even a team like Temple that has been all over the place....Independent, MAC, Big East, AAC. I can try, but I'm going to need help from other posters here determining which schools qualify. Someone mentioned Florida State, but they were an independent at the time. Obviously they are P5 now. So it would be too much work for me to go back every season and figure out which current or perceived P5 teams were in a different conference at the time of a loss.

I'm doing the Big East currently.

Don't count Cincinnati, South Florida, Temple, Connecticut.

Count Louisville, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia, West Virginia.
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