https://ulmhawkeyeonline.com/20855/sport...l-success/
While I found this on the CUSA board, there are 2 things the jump out from the article, even if it is just a 'hit' piece.
1. ULM is in contract with the SB till 2019. Can any ULM fans verify?
2. ULM has no OOC games scheduled in 2020 and beyond.
Point #2 is probably the most concerning. Even FBS schedules shows nothing for 2020 and beyond. Are the really planning on following Idaho?
(06-09-2017 10:46 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]https://ulmhawkeyeonline.com/20855/sport...l-success/
While I found this on the CUSA board, there are 2 things the jump out from the article.
1. ULM in contract with the SB till 2019. Can any ULM fans verify?
2. ULM has no OOC games scheduled in 2020 and beyond.
Point #2 is probably the most concerning. Even FBS schedules shows nothing for 2020 and beyond. Are the really planning on following Idaho?
Most likely just another opinion piece that many mistake for real news.
ULM is investing heavily in facilities and they just built a new Football Ops building if I'm not mistaken. We like to give them grief, but they aren't going anywhere.
(06-09-2017 10:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]ULM is investing heavily in facilities and they just built a new Football Ops building if I'm not mistaken. We like to give them grief, but they aren't going anywhere.
That is what I'm thinking but where would any info of ULM being under contract?
Also, why is ULM the only school not to have any OOC games from 2020 and beyond? That is the most telling part. All FBS schools have some, if not all, OOC games scheduled for 2020. Also not 1 game for any other year past 2020 is concerning.
(06-09-2017 10:57 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 10:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]ULM is investing heavily in facilities and they just built a new Football Ops building if I'm not mistaken. We like to give them grief, but they aren't going anywhere.
That is what I'm thinking but where would any info of ULM being under contract?
Also, why is ULM the only school not to have any OOC games from 2020 and beyond? That is the most telling part. All FBS schools have some, if not all, OOC games scheduled for 2020. Also not 1 game for any other year past 2020 is concerning.
Maybe they know how easy it will be to schedule LU, NM State, UMass, and an FCS? I really don't know.
(06-09-2017 10:51 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote: [ -> ]Most likely just another opinion piece that many mistake for real news.
Well, the information about them being under contract with the Sun Belt is coming from ULM's school newspaper.
You have to admit though, these three tid-bits are very interesting:
- ULM's contract with the Sun Belt expires in 2019 (per their school newspaper),
- ULM is the only FBS team with no future teams scheduled in 2020 or beyond.
- Wickstrom, the AD, has been pushed out, who is probably the best AD they've had in years. They don't get the football field house, turf projects and impending Brown Stadium track & field renovations without him.
Just for the record, I don't want to see ULM drop, nor do I think they will.
(06-09-2017 11:03 AM)troutbummike Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 10:57 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 10:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]ULM is investing heavily in facilities and they just built a new Football Ops building if I'm not mistaken. We like to give them grief, but they aren't going anywhere.
That is what I'm thinking but where would any info of ULM being under contract?
Also, why is ULM the only school not to have any OOC games from 2020 and beyond? That is the most telling part. All FBS schools have some, if not all, OOC games scheduled for 2020. Also not 1 game for any other year past 2020 is concerning.
Maybe they know how easy it will be to schedule LU, NM State, UMass, and an FCS? I really don't know.
Maybe there are lot more AD's are on board for a CUSA/SBC merger or swap than everyone thinks and they need a plan B just in case.
They're probably finally giving up.
Which frankly they probably should.
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(06-09-2017 11:29 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 10:51 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote: [ -> ]Most likely just another opinion piece that many mistake for real news.
Well, the information about them being under contract with the Sun Belt is coming from ULM's school newspaper.
You have to admit though, these three tid-bits are very interesting:
- ULM's contract with the Sun Belt expires in 2019 (per their school newspaper),
- ULM is the only FBS team with no future teams scheduled in 2020 or beyond.
- Wickstrom, the AD, has been pushed out, who is probably the best AD they've had in years. They don't get the football field house, turf projects and impending Brown Stadium track & field renovations without him.
Just for the record, I don't want to see ULM drop, nor do I think they will.
Maybe but it's written like an opinion piece with no quoted sources which makes it poor journalism at best.
*Do full members of the Sun Belt have expiring contacts that need to be renewed? Any insiders from the Belt want to chime in on that?
* ULM may be the only school with no OOC games scheduled from 2020 and beyond but they usually play at least two money games and a quick glance over at FBSchedules shows plenty of P5 schools with openings for 2020 not to mention Kent St from the MAC who has NO FBS teams scheduled past 2019.
* That third point about Wickstorm is troubling but keeping your job at a lot of these schools is more of a political game so I wouldn't say it is unheard of for something like that to happen.
Will ULM drop down? I have no idea but this opinion piece from a school newspaper is not enough to sway me into believing anything is imminent.
The sheer cost of dropping down is enough to keep them in the FBS.
Dropping to the FCS level comes with a sharp decline in revenue with negligible difference in cost. The only way that it would be cost effective would be if playing in the FCS decreased your travel costs and other costs to match your new revenue such as in Idaho's case.
The truth is there's really no real reason to drop. Even if your athletics is less competitive in the FBS and might be more competitive in the FCS, it still doesn't justify the drop because you're still making money even if you don't win.
(06-09-2017 12:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]The sheer cost of dropping down is enough to keep them in the FBS.
Dropping to the FCS level comes with a sharp decline in revenue with negligible difference in cost. The only way that it would be cost effective would be if playing in the FCS decreased your travel costs and other costs to match your new revenue such as in Idaho's case.
The truth is there's really no real reason to drop. Even if your athletics is less competitive in the FBS and might be more competitive in the FCS, it still doesn't justify the drop because you're still making money even if you don't win.
They're making nothing at ULM. They can't sell tickets to anything.
They're fans don't care and they've got one of the largest contingents of move down fans I've ever seen.
5 years they'll be FCS.
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(06-09-2017 12:57 PM)WolfBird Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 12:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]The sheer cost of dropping down is enough to keep them in the FBS.
Dropping to the FCS level comes with a sharp decline in revenue with negligible difference in cost. The only way that it would be cost effective would be if playing in the FCS decreased your travel costs and other costs to match your new revenue such as in Idaho's case.
The truth is there's really no real reason to drop. Even if your athletics is less competitive in the FBS and might be more competitive in the FCS, it still doesn't justify the drop because you're still making money even if you don't win.
They're making nothing at ULM. They can't sell tickets to anything.
They're fans don't care and they've got one of the largest contingents of move down fans I've ever seen.
5 years they'll be FCS.
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So if they aren't making money now, why would they suddenly start making money in the FCS? You can't make a decision that would cause revenue to decrease while cost stays the same. That's just bad business.
(06-09-2017 01:00 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 12:57 PM)WolfBird Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 12:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]The sheer cost of dropping down is enough to keep them in the FBS.
Dropping to the FCS level comes with a sharp decline in revenue with negligible difference in cost. The only way that it would be cost effective would be if playing in the FCS decreased your travel costs and other costs to match your new revenue such as in Idaho's case.
The truth is there's really no real reason to drop. Even if your athletics is less competitive in the FBS and might be more competitive in the FCS, it still doesn't justify the drop because you're still making money even if you don't win.
They're making nothing at ULM. They can't sell tickets to anything.
They're fans don't care and they've got one of the largest contingents of move down fans I've ever seen.
5 years they'll be FCS.
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So if they aren't making money now, why would they suddenly start making money in the FCS? You can't make a decision that would cause revenue to decrease while cost stays the same. That's just bad business.
They won't move down to make money. They'll move down to spend less.
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(06-09-2017 10:57 AM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2017 10:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]ULM is investing heavily in facilities and they just built a new Football Ops building if I'm not mistaken. We like to give them grief, but they aren't going anywhere.
That is what I'm thinking but where would any info of ULM being under contract?
Also, why is ULM the only school not to have any OOC games from 2020 and beyond? That is the most telling part. All FBS schools have some, if not all, OOC games scheduled for 2020. Also not 1 game for any other year past 2020 is concerning.
Thats the fact that might concern me if I were a ULM fan. That was the very first leading indicator of all the dropping football crap that went down at UAB. Travel expenses probably drop moving to FCS--probably the Southland Conference. There is likely a savings there---but its not very big. The program probably would be among the top tier of FCS with respect to facilities and budget at the FCS level---so it likely would be more successful. That said, at UAB, they just flat out dropped football. So, there was a big savings to be had from that move--not so much if you just drop to FCS.
(06-09-2017 12:45 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]The sheer cost of dropping down is enough to keep them in the FBS.
Dropping to the FCS level comes with a sharp decline in revenue with negligible difference in cost. The only way that it would be cost effective would be if playing in the FCS decreased your travel costs and other costs to match your new revenue such as in Idaho's case.
The truth is there's really no real reason to drop. Even if your athletics is less competitive in the FBS and might be more competitive in the FCS, it still doesn't justify the drop because you're still making money even if you don't win.
No reason to drop in the Southeast. ULM has a conference, and plenty of OOC FBS schools nearby. Idaho had no conference, and no FBS schools nearby, especially ones that would travel to Moscow (looking at you, Washington State and Boise State).
Guarantee games in FBS bring 2-3 million a year. In FCS, that'd be 250-750 thousand. That alone precludes a drop down. SLC travel savings would 500,000 at best.
(06-09-2017 02:49 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote: [ -> ]Guarantee games in FBS bring 2-3 million a year. In FCS, that'd be 250-750 thousand. That alone precludes a drop down. SLC travel savings would 500,000 at best.
Not that I think they will drop, but the counter is if you have to sell yourself for 2 body bag games a year (and most likely losses) and the only home games you can get are FCS teams, what are you doing in FBS?
May not make as much money in FCS, but they could be competitive.
We can trade places if they want.
Let's discuss it after they're 3-0 to start the season.
We have games they're just not
Finalized. We're not dropping down or
Giving up on football. Please don't be stupid People.