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Quote:Per sources, new AD Lyke is actively looking to add a D1 Lacrosse team to Pitt and is working with another ACC school on the matter.

https://twitter.com/NFLGimpy/status/8478...3258235904

No brainer for Pitt...now is it both sexes? or just a Title IX dance?

I am honestly very surprised to hear this. They definitely have the facility in place – which would be the most expensive part of this. However, I don't really get this. I haven't heard even a whisper about this and that's unusual. I'd love to see it but I'm not sure I believe this.

What does "Pitt and is working with another ACC school on the matter" mean? Louisville was rumored to be considering starting a men's LAX team when we joined the ACC, anything to do with this?

Are they currently compliant with Title nine? If not I don't see how they can add a team on the men's side. Most Division I programs are not complying with Title nine. Syracuse included, which is why when we dropped both men and women's swimming and diving teams we only added Women's hockey.

(04-05-2017 12:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]What does "Pitt and is working with another ACC school on the matter" mean? Louisville was rumored to be considering starting a men's LAX team when we joined the ACC, anything to do with this?

I was thinking the same thing. We have Women's Lacrosse, but Men's is a club sport. I wouldn't be surprised if we added it, but I'm sure there's Title IX issues to address with this.

Personally, I would hope for Pitt to focus on some of its other current sports where there's a high upside, like wrestling.

The fact that Pitt's wrestling program is 4th in the pecking order of a wrestling-mad state behind PSU, Lehigh and Edinboro is a shame. At the very least, it should be able to outclass Lehigh & Edinboro (even though I know those schools have a long history of wrestling success as well).

With Virginia Tech's rise in college wrestling under former coach Kevin Dresser, I've taken a greater interest in the sport. From reading some of the college wrestling message boards, it seems like the new AD bungled the chance to hire away both of Lehigh & Edinboro's coaches. Lykes apparently had an integral role in helping hire Ohio State's coach while she was in that administration (which has been a home run for that program) and she has thrown a wrench in the Pitt interview process that had begun before she arrived.

A strong Pitt program would be great for VT if they had a true conference rival and Pitt could be just that if the AD invested in the program.

(04-05-2017 06:43 AM)TopperCard Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 12:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]What does "Pitt and is working with another ACC school on the matter" mean? Louisville was rumored to be considering starting a men's LAX team when we joined the ACC, anything to do with this?

I was thinking the same thing. We have Women's Lacrosse, but Men's is a club sport. I wouldn't be surprised if we added it, but I'm sure there's Title IX issues to address with this.

Would probably have to add women's gymnastics, which would then give ACC its own league.

(04-05-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I would hope for Pitt to focus on some of its other current sports where there's a high upside, like wrestling.

The fact that Pitt's wrestling program is 4th in the pecking order of a wrestling-mad state behind PSU, Lehigh and Edinboro is a shame. At the very least, it should be able to outclass Lehigh & Edinboro (even though I know those schools have a long history of wrestling success as well).

With Virginia Tech's rise in college wrestling under former coach Kevin Dresser, I've taken a greater interest in the sport. From reading some of the college wrestling message boards, it seems like the new AD bungled the chance to hire away both of Lehigh & Edinboro's coaches. Lykes apparently had an integral role in helping hire Ohio State's coach while she was in that administration (which has been a home run for that program) and she has thrown a wrench in the Pitt interview process that had begun before she arrived.

A strong Pitt program would be great for VT if they had a true conference rival and Pitt could be just that if the AD invested in the program.

I understand the desire for success but wrestling? It's not like lacrosse draws high attendance and high TV ratings but it draws some attendance and some TV ratings unlike wrestling which draws virtually zero attendance or TV time outside Iowa. Lacrosse is also growing rapidly, unlike wrestling. If you've never seen a lacrosse match, take a look sometime. You might be surprised at how good a spectator sport it is.

(04-05-2017 08:23 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 06:43 AM)TopperCard Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 12:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote: [ -> ]What does "Pitt and is working with another ACC school on the matter" mean? Louisville was rumored to be considering starting a men's LAX team when we joined the ACC, anything to do with this?

I was thinking the same thing. We have Women's Lacrosse, but Men's is a club sport. I wouldn't be surprised if we added it, but I'm sure there's Title IX issues to address with this.

Would probably have to add women's gymnastics, which would then give ACC its own league.

Gymnastics was mentioned in the original rumor. The Cards women LAX team is currently ranked in the top 25. That would be a good combo, Pittsburgh & Louisville.

(04-05-2017 08:33 AM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I would hope for Pitt to focus on some of its other current sports where there's a high upside, like wrestling.

The fact that Pitt's wrestling program is 4th in the pecking order of a wrestling-mad state behind PSU, Lehigh and Edinboro is a shame. At the very least, it should be able to outclass Lehigh & Edinboro (even though I know those schools have a long history of wrestling success as well).

With Virginia Tech's rise in college wrestling under former coach Kevin Dresser, I've taken a greater interest in the sport. From reading some of the college wrestling message boards, it seems like the new AD bungled the chance to hire away both of Lehigh & Edinboro's coaches. Lykes apparently had an integral role in helping hire Ohio State's coach while she was in that administration (which has been a home run for that program) and she has thrown a wrench in the Pitt interview process that had begun before she arrived.

A strong Pitt program would be great for VT if they had a true conference rival and Pitt could be just that if the AD invested in the program.

I understand the desire for success but wrestling? It's not like lacrosse draws high attendance and high TV ratings but it draws some attendance and some TV ratings unlike wrestling which draws virtually zero attendance or TV time outside Iowa. Lacrosse is also growing rapidly, unlike wrestling. If you've never seen a lacrosse match, take a look sometime. You might be surprised at how good a spectator sport it is.

I would agree with LAX over wrestling. Even to the point of NCSU swapping it's very successful wrestling program for LAX. LAX has surpassed wrestling in high schools here.

Like most things, you have to build the brand. You may have to give tickets away for the first couple of years. Once the fans see the game they will be hooked.

(04-05-2017 10:28 AM)Wolfman Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 08:33 AM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I would hope for Pitt to focus on some of its other current sports where there's a high upside, like wrestling.

The fact that Pitt's wrestling program is 4th in the pecking order of a wrestling-mad state behind PSU, Lehigh and Edinboro is a shame. At the very least, it should be able to outclass Lehigh & Edinboro (even though I know those schools have a long history of wrestling success as well).

With Virginia Tech's rise in college wrestling under former coach Kevin Dresser, I've taken a greater interest in the sport. From reading some of the college wrestling message boards, it seems like the new AD bungled the chance to hire away both of Lehigh & Edinboro's coaches. Lykes apparently had an integral role in helping hire Ohio State's coach while she was in that administration (which has been a home run for that program) and she has thrown a wrench in the Pitt interview process that had begun before she arrived.

A strong Pitt program would be great for VT if they had a true conference rival and Pitt could be just that if the AD invested in the program.

I understand the desire for success but wrestling? It's not like lacrosse draws high attendance and high TV ratings but it draws some attendance and some TV ratings unlike wrestling which draws virtually zero attendance or TV time outside Iowa. Lacrosse is also growing rapidly, unlike wrestling. If you've never seen a lacrosse match, take a look sometime. You might be surprised at how good a spectator sport it is.

I would agree with LAX over wrestling. Even to the point of NCSU swapping it's very successful wrestling program for LAX. LAX has surpassed wrestling in high schools here.

Like most things, you have to build the brand. You may have to give tickets away for the first couple of years. Once the fans see the game they will be hooked.

It's more of the context here for Pitt, and less of a universal "Wrestling > Lacrosse" thing.

The state of Pennsylvania is the mecca of wrestling on the east coast. Maybe even the country. You guys remember the name Cael Sanderson, right? Undefeated in his 4 years at Iowa State, won a gold medal at the 2004 Olympics, and went on to become head coach at Iowa State from 2007-2009.

He left to take the head job at Penn State in 2009 and one of his stated reasons was the level of wrestling talent available in the state. Since he took over, PSU has won 6 of the last 7 national titles.

Yes, Iowa is still a hotbed for wrestling, but Pennsylvania is as well. As previously stated, smaller colleges like Lehigh and Edinboro have been consistently ranked ahead of Pitt in recent years.

My main point, that seems to have missed here, is that Pitt is already funding the program and scholarships for wrestling. So why not focus on a sport with a high ceiling because of your proximity to elite recruits? The wrestling-mad state has shown they support high-quality wrestling programs and Pitt used to be one of those.

It's each school's prerogative to decide where they want to spend their money of course, but I think there's a potentially higher ROI for wrestling at Pitt than lacrosse based on the evidence of support for college wrestling programs across the state of Pennsylvania.

As a Pitt fan, if they're going to add sports, which they are not, my first choice would be ice hockey. If they could work out a facility on or near campus, which would not be easy, I think they could develop a STRONG program in fairly short order.

Just look what is happened at Penn State. They just started their program three or four years ago and they're already very strong program. Robert Morris started its Division I program a few years ago as well and they've been extremely successful. There are a LOT of good hockey players in this area – as evidenced by the NHL draft each year. Couple that with our proximity to places like Michigan, New York, Canada, etc., and I think that could easily become a good program for the University of Pittsburgh.

Alas, it is not going to happen. We don't have a sugar daddy like Terry Pagula willing to build us a $90 million on campus arena. Also, I don't think we could afford the scholarships right now. I would love to see it in the future though – much more than lacrosse or other Olympic sports we already have. A good hockey team would actually entice me to come out to support them. I'm not going down to Oakland to watch Pitt wrestle Lehigh or to swim against Saint Francis of PA. That's a nonstarter.

(04-05-2017 12:46 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]As a Pitt fan, if they're going to add sports, which they are not, my first choice would be ice hockey. If they could work out a facility on or near campus, which would not be easy, I think they could develop a STRONG program in fairly short order.

Just look what is happened at Penn State. They just started their program three or four years ago and they're already very strong program. Robert Morris started its Division I program a few years ago as well and they've been extremely successful. There are a LOT of good hockey players in this area – as evidenced by the NHL draft each year. Couple that with our proximity to places like Michigan, New York, Canada, etc., and I think that could easily become a good program for the University of Pittsburgh.

Alas, it is not going to happen. We don't have a sugar daddy like Terry Pagula willing to build us a $90 million on campus arena. Also, I don't think we could afford the scholarships right now. I would love to see it in the future though – much more than lacrosse or other Olympic sports we already have. A good hockey team would actually entice me to come out to support them. I'm not going down to Oakland to watch Pitt wrestle Lehigh or to swim against Saint Francis of PA. That's a nonstarter.

Good points made all around. I think hockey would probably do great at Pitt, but you're right in that the start-up costs are astronomical.

And it's perfectly fine if wrestling isn't your thing or brings you into town to watch a dual meet. There's already a loyal fanbase that has no issues filling the wrestling configuration in Fitzgerald Field House. See here:



Very few (if any) Olympic sports make money for schools when it comes to scholarship costs and coaching salaries, which I would be willing to bet includes lacrosse. In Pitt's case, I'm only advocating a marginal increase in investment and attention from the athletic department in a sport they could be much better based on their proximity to elite athletes and strong history of the program.

(04-05-2017 01:06 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 12:46 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]As a Pitt fan, if they're going to add sports, which they are not, my first choice would be ice hockey. If they could work out a facility on or near campus, which would not be easy, I think they could develop a STRONG program in fairly short order.

Just look what is happened at Penn State. They just started their program three or four years ago and they're already very strong program. Robert Morris started its Division I program a few years ago as well and they've been extremely successful. There are a LOT of good hockey players in this area – as evidenced by the NHL draft each year. Couple that with our proximity to places like Michigan, New York, Canada, etc., and I think that could easily become a good program for the University of Pittsburgh.

Alas, it is not going to happen. We don't have a sugar daddy like Terry Pagula willing to build us a $90 million on campus arena. Also, I don't think we could afford the scholarships right now. I would love to see it in the future though – much more than lacrosse or other Olympic sports we already have. A good hockey team would actually entice me to come out to support them. I'm not going down to Oakland to watch Pitt wrestle Lehigh or to swim against Saint Francis of PA. That's a nonstarter.

Good points made all around. I think hockey would probably do great at Pitt, but you're right in that the start-up costs are astronomical.

And it's perfectly fine if wrestling isn't your thing or brings you into town to watch a dual meet. There's already a loyal fanbase that has no issues filling the wrestling configuration in Fitzgerald Field House. See here:



Very few (if any) Olympic sports make money for schools when it comes to scholarship costs and coaching salaries, which I would be willing to bet includes lacrosse. In Pitt's case, I'm only advocating a marginal increase in investment and attention from the athletic department in a sport they could be much better based on their proximity to elite athletes and strong history of the program.

No, it makes sense. The state of Pennsylvania produces an inordinate amount of college wrestlers - and so to do neighboring states, New Jersey and Ohio.

In that vein, it would make sense that we would invest in that program if we were going to invest in an Olympic sport.

Hell, when I was in high school, aside from football, wrestling was the most popular sport at my school.

The wrestling crowds were twice the size of the boys or girls basketball crowds, so your point is well made.

I just don't think I would invest in any Olympic sports until I first got things worked out with the sports that matter to the ticket buying public: football and men's basketball. Next, I would probably invest in women's basketball. From there, who knows?



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(04-05-2017 01:27 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]No, it makes sense. The state of Pennsylvania produces an inordinate amount of college wrestlers - and so to do neighboring states, New Jersey and Ohio.

In that vein, it would make sense that we would invest in that program if we were going to invest in an Olympic sport.

Hell, when I was in high school, aside from football, wrestling was the most popular sport at my school.

The wrestling crowds were twice the size of the boys or girls basketball crowds, so your point is well made.

I just don't think I would invest in any Olympic sports until I first got things worked out with the sports that matter to the ticket buying public: football and men's basketball. Next, I would probably invest in women's basketball. From there, who knows?

I think that's the challenge for every athletic department in the ACC.

Your point is well made in that priority level at most (if not all) ACC schools should probably be Football > Men's Basketball > Women's Basketball. But from there, things can differ wildly depending on things like climate or regional sports culture. And that's where an athletic director needs to figure out where resources should be allocated best.

At some schools, baseball will be the next priority. That certainly seems to be the case at places like Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT and Louisville. And from the announced renovation of English Field, it looks like VT is headed that way as well (for reference, VT's AD was a former college baseball player). But right now, I would say that wrestling is probably higher on the pecking order at VT. At a school further north like BC, baseball is seemingly less important than their hockey program. Hell, Syracuse doesn't even have a baseball program.

Sports like wrestling (6 schools sponsoring) and men's lacrosse (5 schools sponsoring) are relatively rare in the ACC anyway. Duke, UNC and UVA are the only that have both. For a sport that's relatively popular in the Mid-Atlantic region, there's not a ton of men's lacrosse representation in the ACC.

(04-05-2017 01:53 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 01:27 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]No, it makes sense. The state of Pennsylvania produces an inordinate amount of college wrestlers - and so to do neighboring states, New Jersey and Ohio.

In that vein, it would make sense that we would invest in that program if we were going to invest in an Olympic sport.

Hell, when I was in high school, aside from football, wrestling was the most popular sport at my school.

The wrestling crowds were twice the size of the boys or girls basketball crowds, so your point is well made.

I just don't think I would invest in any Olympic sports until I first got things worked out with the sports that matter to the ticket buying public: football and men's basketball. Next, I would probably invest in women's basketball. From there, who knows?

I think that's the challenge for every athletic department in the ACC.

Your point is well made in that priority level at most (if not all) ACC schools should probably be Football > Men's Basketball > Women's Basketball. But from there, things can differ wildly depending on things like climate or regional sports culture. And that's where an athletic director needs to figure out where resources should be allocated best.

At some schools, baseball will be the next priority. That certainly seems to be the case at places like Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT and Louisville. And from the announced renovation of English Field, it looks like VT is headed that way as well (for reference, VT's AD was a former college baseball player). But right now, I would say that wrestling is probably higher on the pecking order at VT. At a school further north like BC, baseball is seemingly less important than their hockey program. Hell, Syracuse doesn't even have a baseball program.

Sports like wrestling (6 schools sponsoring) and men's lacrosse (5 schools sponsoring) are relatively rare in the ACC anyway. Duke, UNC and UVA are the only that have both. For a sport that's relatively popular in the Mid-Atlantic region, there's not a ton of men's lacrosse representation in the ACC.

Hey Hustle,

I love you as a poster as you are always on point with your assesments on various issue. But I think you are missing out on this one. Virginia, Syracuse, Duke, UNC, BC and ND all have lacrosse programs. I believe that every one of those programs are making money off of lacrosse, although Im not sure about BC. I have seen some huge crowds at the stadiums of those schools during a lacrosse game. SU usually leads the nation in attendance and pays its lacrosse coach in the area of $1 million per year so It better be making some serious dough with its lacrosse team.

I understand your point about making the most of wrestling because they already have it and Pitt being in a wrestling hotbed. But lacrosse is growing quickly with each passing year and if promoted right. with a combination of winning, can be a source of serious revenue for any program. Especially when a coach can promote to recruits that their team gets to play some of the greatest lacrosse teams in the country and they will be on tv. Wrestling seems to have a lot less overhead so it may be easier to become profitable but I dont think it has the potential to be as profitable as lacrosse. I have seen some lacrosse playoff games with 40,000 in attendance.

(04-05-2017 02:33 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 01:53 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 01:27 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]No, it makes sense. The state of Pennsylvania produces an inordinate amount of college wrestlers - and so to do neighboring states, New Jersey and Ohio.

In that vein, it would make sense that we would invest in that program if we were going to invest in an Olympic sport.

Hell, when I was in high school, aside from football, wrestling was the most popular sport at my school.

The wrestling crowds were twice the size of the boys or girls basketball crowds, so your point is well made.

I just don't think I would invest in any Olympic sports until I first got things worked out with the sports that matter to the ticket buying public: football and men's basketball. Next, I would probably invest in women's basketball. From there, who knows?

I think that's the challenge for every athletic department in the ACC.

Your point is well made in that priority level at most (if not all) ACC schools should probably be Football > Men's Basketball > Women's Basketball. But from there, things can differ wildly depending on things like climate or regional sports culture. And that's where an athletic director needs to figure out where resources should be allocated best.

At some schools, baseball will be the next priority. That certainly seems to be the case at places like Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT and Louisville. And from the announced renovation of English Field, it looks like VT is headed that way as well (for reference, VT's AD was a former college baseball player). But right now, I would say that wrestling is probably higher on the pecking order at VT. At a school further north like BC, baseball is seemingly less important than their hockey program. Hell, Syracuse doesn't even have a baseball program.

Sports like wrestling (6 schools sponsoring) and men's lacrosse (5 schools sponsoring) are relatively rare in the ACC anyway. Duke, UNC and UVA are the only that have both. For a sport that's relatively popular in the Mid-Atlantic region, there's not a ton of men's lacrosse representation in the ACC.

Hey Hustle,

I love you as a poster as you are always on point with your assesments on various issue. But I think you are missing out on this one. Virginia, Syracuse, Duke, UNC, BC and ND all have lacrosse programs. I believe that every one of those programs are making money off of lacrosse, although Im not sure about BC. I have seen some huge crowds at the stadiums of those schools during a lacrosse game. SU usually leads the nation in attendance and pays its lacrosse coach in the area of $1 million per year so It better be making some serious dough with its lacrosse team.

I understand your point about making the most of wrestling because they already have it and Pitt being in a wrestling hotbed. But lacrosse is growing quickly with each passing year and if promoted right. with a combination of winning, can be a source of serious revenue for any program. Especially when a coach can promote to recruits that their team gets to play some of the greatest lacrosse teams in the country and they will be on tv. Wrestling seems to have a lot less overhead so it may be easier to become profitable but I dont think it has the potential to be as profitable as lacrosse. I have seen some lacrosse playoff games with 40,000 in attendance.

I like lacrosse but I doubt any ACC school makes money off the sport. It requires a lot of scholarships and the attendance is usually measured in the hundreds at most. I don't think ESPN is paying to televise the games.

It's possible that some schools make money on lacrosse, but I'd be shocked if it's anything substantial or much more than break-even for most. I'll be transparent and say lacrosse isn't in my wheelhouse so I'm woefully ignorant on the sport at-large, so I did a little research.

I just checked UVA's ticket prices for lacrosse - for a season ticket in a reserved seat, it's $50 for the whole season. For single games, those seats are $10 but there's a limited number of them. General admission tickets are $30 for the whole season, $8 per game.

This is all in a stadium that caps at around 8,000, which they very rarely fill in recent years from what I gather (they've averaged closer to 1,500 in recent years). I just don't see how the attendance numbers at those pricepoints make up for the costs of the program.

Lacrosse will definitely not make money at the school like Pitt. No Olympic sport will. It's a pro sports town – there are better options available to people here.

I'll be at the Bucco games on Saturday and Sunday and I guarantee you I'll see hundreds of people who attend Pitt, Duquesne, Carnegie Mellon, etc.

They are not at the Pitt baseball game, they're at the Pirates baseball game. Of course they are - it's a MUCH better option.

It's not great for Pitt athletics, but it's good for the students. They get A LOT more bang for their buck.

(04-05-2017 02:43 PM)Hallcity Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 02:33 PM)cuseroc Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 01:53 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-05-2017 01:27 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote: [ -> ]No, it makes sense. The state of Pennsylvania produces an inordinate amount of college wrestlers - and so to do neighboring states, New Jersey and Ohio.

In that vein, it would make sense that we would invest in that program if we were going to invest in an Olympic sport.

Hell, when I was in high school, aside from football, wrestling was the most popular sport at my school.

The wrestling crowds were twice the size of the boys or girls basketball crowds, so your point is well made.

I just don't think I would invest in any Olympic sports until I first got things worked out with the sports that matter to the ticket buying public: football and men's basketball. Next, I would probably invest in women's basketball. From there, who knows?

I think that's the challenge for every athletic department in the ACC.

Your point is well made in that priority level at most (if not all) ACC schools should probably be Football > Men's Basketball > Women's Basketball. But from there, things can differ wildly depending on things like climate or regional sports culture. And that's where an athletic director needs to figure out where resources should be allocated best.

At some schools, baseball will be the next priority. That certainly seems to be the case at places like Clemson, FSU, Miami, GT and Louisville. And from the announced renovation of English Field, it looks like VT is headed that way as well (for reference, VT's AD was a former college baseball player). But right now, I would say that wrestling is probably higher on the pecking order at VT. At a school further north like BC, baseball is seemingly less important than their hockey program. Hell, Syracuse doesn't even have a baseball program.

Sports like wrestling (6 schools sponsoring) and men's lacrosse (5 schools sponsoring) are relatively rare in the ACC anyway. Duke, UNC and UVA are the only that have both. For a sport that's relatively popular in the Mid-Atlantic region, there's not a ton of men's lacrosse representation in the ACC.

Hey Hustle,

I love you as a poster as you are always on point with your assesments on various issue. But I think you are missing out on this one. Virginia, Syracuse, Duke, UNC, BC and ND all have lacrosse programs. I believe that every one of those programs are making money off of lacrosse, although Im not sure about BC. I have seen some huge crowds at the stadiums of those schools during a lacrosse game. SU usually leads the nation in attendance and pays its lacrosse coach in the area of $1 million per year so It better be making some serious dough with its lacrosse team.

I understand your point about making the most of wrestling because they already have it and Pitt being in a wrestling hotbed. But lacrosse is growing quickly with each passing year and if promoted right. with a combination of winning, can be a source of serious revenue for any program. Especially when a coach can promote to recruits that their team gets to play some of the greatest lacrosse teams in the country and they will be on tv. Wrestling seems to have a lot less overhead so it may be easier to become profitable but I dont think it has the potential to be as profitable as lacrosse. I have seen some lacrosse playoff games with 40,000 in attendance.

I like lacrosse but I doubt any ACC school makes money off the sport. It requires a lot of scholarships and the attendance is usually measured in the hundreds at most. I don't think ESPN is paying to televise the games.

You are correct about No Acc schools making a profit off of lacrosse. I was wrong on that point. But many schools that sponsor lacrosse take in a significant amount of revenue. somes schools are close to making a profit, for instance, a Bloomberg article said something about Duke losing about $85,000 in 2013 with total expenses being over $3 million, I believe. ND lost $1.5 million that season averaging over 1700 in attendance. In 2015, Syracuse spent 3.8 million on lacrosse but made just under $2 million. SU usually averages around 3000 per game. Lacrosse takes in a similar amount of revenue as baseball even though lacrosse only has 7 home games per season where baseball has over 20 home games. Since Fb and bb are the sports that most fbs schools use to support all other sports, its good to be able to bring in an extra $2 or 3 million to help with the bottom line.