(03-31-2017 04:34 PM)RunnerBall Wrote: [ -> ]Our favorite topic.
Any (probable or fairly POSSIBLE) fallout for the WAC?
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=814030
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There is always a possibility. We'll see.
Pretty small. I see the most likely as the MVC grabs Valparaiso or Illinois Chicago from the Horizon, who either stay pat or bring in Robert Morris.
There is a wild off the wall idea I had where the MVC busts up in a DavidSt tinfoil hat scenario, taking down the MVFC with it. In the chaos that follows some schools winds up in the WAC. But I put it in this category
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I don't see the MVC taking UMKC or Chicago State. I don't see NMSU going to the MVC. I don't know if the current WAC members fans know this but we were in the Missouri Valley Conference for many years. I see the WAC getting stronger and stronger. Maybe even Division I football is on the horizon? Reliable source.
(03-31-2017 06:27 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see the MVC taking UMKC or Chicago State. I don't see NMSU going to the MVC. I don't know if the current WAC members fans know this but we were in the Missouri Valley Conference for many years. I see the WAC getting stronger and stronger. Maybe even Division I football is on the horizon? Reliable source.
(03-31-2017 06:27 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see the MVC taking UMKC or Chicago State. I don't see NMSU going to the MVC. I don't know if the current WAC members fans know this but we were in the Missouri Valley Conference for many years. I see the WAC getting stronger and stronger. Maybe even Division I football is on the horizon? Reliable source.
Good nugget on the MVC reference, dancing. Indiana State is one of the schools I attended, and have seen so many replays of Bob Heaton's half-court shot to force OT at NMSU in the 78-79 season. (
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss9Hyxj7O8U)
Didn't mean to continue to stray off topic so I'll reel it back in and say there is some worry here locally that Wichita State is leaving. Without the Shockers and Creighton, the legitimacy of the conference (basketball wise) definitely decreases. I could see them looking at perhaps Valpo or Belmont, or going after larger market schools (Belmont fits in here as well being in Nashville).
But like CP said.. guess we'll wait and see!
(03-31-2017 07:16 PM)joshadam84 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2017 06:27 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see the MVC taking UMKC or Chicago State. I don't see NMSU going to the MVC. I don't know if the current WAC members fans know this but we were in the Missouri Valley Conference for many years. I see the WAC getting stronger and stronger. Maybe even Division I football is on the horizon? Reliable source.
Good nugget on the MVC reference, dancing. Indiana State is one of the schools I attended, and have seen so many replays of Bob Heaton's half-court shot to force OT at NMSU in the 78-79 season. (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss9Hyxj7O8U)
Didn't mean to continue to stray off topic so I'll reel it back in and say there is some worry here locally that Wichita State is leaving. Without the Shockers and Creighton, the legitimacy of the conference (basketball wise) definitely decreases. I could see them looking at perhaps Valpo or Belmont, or going after larger market schools (Belmont fits in here as well being in Nashville).
But like CP said.. guess we'll wait and see!
I think MVC will take Belmont, maybe more from Horizon. Horizon would backfill with Summit school, and then the WAC may lose UMKC if both sides agree. Probably would mean Chicago State gets to forsure stay in the WAC
WAC has a chance to become a top 3 or 4 mid-major program next season. GCU, Utah Valley, UMKC, Seattle, and Bakersfield need to step up. We know NMSU will do their part.
Lol...OT. On the mobile app for CSN, when someone scrolls through the topics, the image if Jim Carey's "Dumb and Dumber" shows up!! [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND SMILING EYES]
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(03-31-2017 05:14 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty small. I see the most likely as the MVC grabs Valparaiso or Illinois Chicago from the Horizon, who either stay pat or bring in Robert Morris.
There is a wild off the wall idea I had where the MVC busts up in a DavidSt tinfoil hat scenario, taking down the MVFC with it. In the chaos that follows some schools winds up in the WAC. But I put it in this category
My guess would be Valpo as well, if they decide to make the move to the MVC. I don't think the MVC offers enough anymore do get Belmont to want to leave the OVC. They are in a conference with four other Tennessee schools, with conference headquarters in Tennessee and with a high exit fee (at least $500,000).
If Valpo did leave the Horizon, the Horizon would need to replace Valpo. They would be down to six baseball schools. Robert Morris is not leaving the Northeast Conference. They play football in that league as well as lacrosse. IPFW might be a possibility and that would hurt the Summit. But IPFW is hurting financially and the Summit has a $1 million exit fee.
If Valpo and Belmont turned down the MVC, then the MVC might look west to Oral Roberts or UMKC or Denver. I doubt if Arkansas-Little Rock or UTA leave the Sun Belt for the MVC and the Sun Belt has a $2 million exit fee. Oral Roberts brings a good baseball program.
So the logical picks for the MVC then become two Summits schools or a WAC school. Just don't see the appeal of UMKC. They are like Chicago State, D1 and in a big market. But at least Chicago State brings a baseball program.
6 is enough baseball schools. They don't need to do anything.
Robert Morris could move Lacrosse into the Southern, or stay as an affiliate in the NEC like St.Joe's and Hobart. Plenty of options. Football also has options (Big South). But I think you are right it's not an automatic fit or move. The Horizon could of course invite New Mexico State whom they had talks with. But I think that is also not happening.
None of the Summit schools are attractive. IUPUI is the most logical, but they have zero support for their athletics and do not play in facilities that meet tHL requirements. None of the plains schools will move. So a replacement has to come somewhere else. Football pretty much rules out most of the OVC, except Belmont, who passed on the MVC, and tHL is step below that, and Morehead State, but why would you want them?
This sort of leads me to think they stay pat at 9, like they were for awhile time until they brought in Oakland. If they absolutely need a Baseball affiliate they can always invite NY Tech. but we are getting ahead of ourselves and just assuming things.
The MVC may not add anyone. No schools get them a 2nd Baseball or Basketball bid. No schools out there improve their TV. I think they may simply sit at 9 for a few years and take their time to find the right replacement, once the schools decide what direction they want to go without Wichita State. The MVC is much less attractive to a UIC or Valp without Wichita State. Why bother moving from one single bid conference to another, with more rural schools, when you are an urban school? The MVC sitting at 9 is a very real possibility
I agree. I dont see too much movement happening. Why move to another 1 bid league? Look at the Big Sky and CUSA, bloated 1 bid leagues that would be better off with less teams. That's why the WAC is an attractive conference to remain in.
(04-02-2017 03:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. I dont see too much movement happening. Why move to another 1 bid league? Look at the Big Sky and CUSA, bloated 1 bid leagues that would be better off with less teams. That's why the WAC is an attractive conference to remain in.
Quality of conference opponents are better in the AAC than the MVC for WSU.
(04-02-2017 03:37 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2017 03:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. I dont see too much movement happening. Why move to another 1 bid league? Look at the Big Sky and CUSA, bloated 1 bid leagues that would be better off with less teams. That's why the WAC is an attractive conference to remain in.
Quality of conference opponents are better in the AAC than the MVC for WSU.
Witchita State
Cincinnati
SMU
UConn
Temple
Tulsa
UCF
Memphis
Thats starting to look like a high major-caliber of play conference especially when UConn and Memphis are back. Houston has potential too, just held down by ECU, USF, and Tulane who seemingly never will compete in basketball
(04-02-2017 03:37 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: [ -> ] (04-02-2017 03:31 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. I dont see too much movement happening. Why move to another 1 bid league? Look at the Big Sky and CUSA, bloated 1 bid leagues that would be better off with less teams. That's why the WAC is an attractive conference to remain in.
Quality of conference opponents are better in the AAC than the MVC for WSU.
I agree, but the AAC is not a 1 bid league. Talking about the others. Now the MVC is pretty much a 1 bid league.
What we are saying is Wichita State to the AAC moves that from a 2+ bid to a 3 bid, and the MVC drops to a 1 bid. The MVC falls into the same category as the WAC, tHL, and tSL. Finding a school that improves the MVC and is willing to move "sideways" is a lot harder than when you are offering a spot to "move up." The MVC and tHL are pretty much on even footing once Wichita goes.
Of course the move makes sense for Wichita State. But I think beyond RPI it will help scheduling immensely. The AAC will move to 12 in MBB, WBB, WVB allowing shadow division scheduling (Wichita replaces Navy as the Olympic West) team. What this means is everyone will have a home-and-away series with the other 5 schools in their "shadow division" for 10 games. The other 8 will be against the 6 teams in the other division: one travel pair you host, one travel pair you visit, one travel pair you get a home-and-away series (over three years you host each team twice; and travel to them twice). This means you get one less cross over travel week. You have only two in a 10 week schedule (the 10th week is due to playing your travel partner, so you get an off day). Baseball and Softball can actually go to divisions of 5 teams (in the East Temple doesn't sponsor either, and in the West Tulsa doesn't have Baseball, Tulane lacks Softball). You get a home and an away series with the 4 teams in your division, and on rotation you get one of the opposite division teams in a home series and one in a road series for 30 games (that eliminates bye weeks). This will massively reduce travel. Soccer stays the same as Wichita State doesn't sponsor. The only "loser" in this will be the Tennis teams that have to make a biannual trip to Wichita -- my younger brother tells me they have great steakhouses and BBQ back there.
It just makes way too much sense not to happen.
(04-02-2017 08:24 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]What we are saying is Wichita State to the AAC moves that from a 2+ bid to a 3 bid, and the MVC drops to a 1 bid. The MVC falls into the same category as the WAC, tHL, and tSL. Finding a school that improves the MVC and is willing to move "sideways" is a lot harder than when you are offering a spot to "move up." The MVC and tHL are pretty much on even footing once Wichita goes.
Of course the move makes sense for Wichita State. But I think beyond RPI it will help scheduling immensely. The AAC will move to 12 in MBB, WBB, WVB allowing shadow division scheduling (Wichita replaces Navy as the Olympic West) team. What this means is everyone will have a home-and-away series with the other 5 schools in their "shadow division" for 10 games. The other 8 will be against the 6 teams in the other division: one travel pair you host, one travel pair you visit, one travel pair you get a home-and-away series (over three years you host each team twice; and travel to them twice). This means you get one less cross over travel week. You have only two in a 10 week schedule (the 10th week is due to playing your travel partner, so you get an off day). Baseball and Softball can actually go to divisions of 5 teams (in the East Temple doesn't sponsor either, and in the West Tulsa doesn't have Baseball, Tulane lacks Softball). You get a home and an away series with the 4 teams in your division, and on rotation you get one of the opposite division teams in a home series and one in a road series for 30 games (that eliminates bye weeks). This will massively reduce travel. Soccer stays the same as Wichita State doesn't sponsor. The only "loser" in this will be the Tennis teams that have to make a biannual trip to Wichita -- my younger brother tells me they have great steakhouses and BBQ back there.
It just makes way too much sense not to happen.
The MVC has an ESPN TV deal through 2023-24 though, and CBS Sports through 2019-20. Thats why they will still be able to snag a team or 2 Id imagine
http://www.mvc-sports.com/mbasketball/ne...OHBn8tlBnE
(04-01-2017 08:49 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]6 is enough baseball schools. They don't need to do anything.
Robert Morris could move Lacrosse into the Southern, or stay as an affiliate in the NEC like St.Joe's and Hobart. Plenty of options. Football also has options (Big South). But I think you are right it's not an automatic fit or move. The Horizon could of course invite New Mexico State whom they had talks with. But I think that is also not happening.
None of the Summit schools are attractive. IUPUI is the most logical, but they have zero support for their athletics and do not play in facilities that meet tHL requirements. None of the plains schools will move. So a replacement has to come somewhere else. Football pretty much rules out most of the OVC, except Belmont, who passed on the MVC, and tHL is step below that, and Morehead State, but why would you want them?
This sort of leads me to think they stay pat at 9, like they were for awhile time until they brought in Oakland. If they absolutely need a Baseball affiliate they can always invite NY Tech. but we are getting ahead of ourselves and just assuming things.
The MVC may not add anyone. No schools get them a 2nd Baseball or Basketball bid. No schools out there improve their TV. I think they may simply sit at 9 for a few years and take their time to find the right replacement, once the schools decide what direction they want to go without Wichita State. The MVC is much less attractive to a UIC or Valp without Wichita State. Why bother moving from one single bid conference to another, with more rural schools, when you are an urban school? The MVC sitting at 9 is a very real possibility
Six baseball schools are the minimum. Fall below that and the auto bid for baseball goes away.
Valpo is the likely choice and it just a matter of the cost to leave (exit fees). The MVC does have a better TV deal and is sitting on a lot of NCAA tournament revenue, primarily due to Wichita State. Valpo would join two other Indiana schools. Valpo is 50 miles outside of Chicago and would probably become a conference travel partner of Loyola.
Source: Wichita State to join American Athletic Conference
WICHITA, Kan. (KAKE) -
Wichita State University will leave the Missouri Valley Conference and become a member of the American Athletic Conference, a WSU Athletic Department source tells KAKE News. The source said WSU will begin play in all sports in the AAC in the 2017-18 school year.
http://www.kake.com/story/35069813/sourc...conference