Weird story here with Marcus Keene last night vs. Kent State. Basically CMU is butt hurt over a bad call (it was a bad call) that waived off a basket that should've counted, and Keene finished the season averaging 29.9 ppg.
Had the refs counted the shot, he would've finished the season averaging 30.0 ppg. CMU's SID is submitting 30.0 ppg to the NCAA anyway.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../98836780/
Quote:That gave Keene 959 points in 32 games, for an average of – are you ready for this? – 29.96875 points. According to the list of past season scoring champions, the NCAA seems to have gone to a first decimal.
(03-07-2017 08:04 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: [ -> ]Weird story here with Marcus Keene last night vs. Kent State. Basically CMU is butt hurt over a bad call (it was a bad call) that waived off a basket that should've counted, and Keene finished the season averaging 29.9 ppg.
Had the refs counted the shot, he would've finished the season averaging 30.0 ppg. CMU's SID is submitting 30.0 ppg to the NCAA anyway.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../98836780/
Quote:That gave Keene 959 points in 32 games, for an average of – are you ready for this? – 29.96875 points. According to the list of past season scoring champions, the NCAA seems to have gone to a first decimal.
Yippee-skippee.
CMU finished dead-azz-last in the standings, regardless, and Keene's indifferent play on the defensive end of the court is a primary reason for it.
Give him his 30. Last place CMU's season is o-v-e-r!
(03-07-2017 08:41 AM)GullLake Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2017 08:04 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: [ -> ]Weird story here with Marcus Keene last night vs. Kent State. Basically CMU is butt hurt over a bad call (it was a bad call) that waived off a basket that should've counted, and Keene finished the season averaging 29.9 ppg.
Had the refs counted the shot, he would've finished the season averaging 30.0 ppg. CMU's SID is submitting 30.0 ppg to the NCAA anyway.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../98836780/
Quote:That gave Keene 959 points in 32 games, for an average of – are you ready for this? – 29.96875 points. According to the list of past season scoring champions, the NCAA seems to have gone to a first decimal.
Yippee-skippee.
CMU finished dead-azz-last in the standings, regardless, and Keene's indifferent play on the defensive end of the court is a primary reason for it.
Give him his 30. Last place CMU's season is o-v-e-r!
I'd rather the Tigers had their perfect game back.
So I did some quick statistical research on both Keane and Wilder...
After 31 games this season (stats on NCAA only through 3/5) Keene plays an average of 36.6 minutes PER GAME... Wilder over same course played 31.5 minutes PER GAME... Thats over a 5 minute per game difference ... I mean.. holy crap, Keene is only off the floor for just over 3 minutes a game... Is that nuts? No wonder he leads the NCAA in points per game...
Heres some other stats between these two guys:
Field Goals Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 700
Thomas Wilder: 408
Free Throws Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 254
Thomas Wilder: 186
Now Keene DOES have 40 more assists than Wilder over those 31 games... even though he played about 155 more minutes over that span... If you do the math Keene actually averaged MORE assists per minute than Wilder... But that shot differential sets a pretty huge tone... Hard to believe Keene can take that many shots and still give off that many assists.
CMU is 4th in the nation in offensive possessions total: 79.7/game
WMU is 164th : 72.0/game
Last three games:
CMU: 83.5/game
WMU: 72.8/game
Stats don't lie... Keene is on the floor longer, takes more shots and CMU has more possessions due to poor defense... Recipe for individual success but team failure.
(03-07-2017 10:42 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]So I did some quick statistical research on both Keane and Wilder...
After 31 games this season (stats on NCAA only through 3/5) Keene plays an average of 36.6 minutes PER GAME... Wilder over same course played 31.5 minutes PER GAME... Thats over a 5 minute per game difference ... I mean.. holy crap, Keene is only off the floor for just over 3 minutes a game... Is that nuts? No wonder he leads the NCAA in points per game...
Heres some other stats between these two guys:
Field Goals Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 700
Thomas Wilder: 408
Free Throws Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 254
Thomas Wilder: 186
Now Keene DOES have 40 more assists than Wilder over those 31 games... even though he played about 155 more minutes over that span... If you do the math Keene actually averaged MORE assists per minute than Wilder... But that shot differential sets a pretty huge tone... Hard to believe Keene can take that many shots and still give off that many assists.
CMU is 4th in the nation in offensive possessions total: 79.7/game
WMU is 164th : 72.0/game
Last three games:
CMU: 83.5/game
WMU: 72.8/game
Stats don't lie... Keene is on the floor longer, takes more shots and CMU has more possessions due to poor defense... Recipe for individual success but team failure.
"Recipe for individual success but team failure."
BINGO!
Nice post with interesting info. Thanks for taking the time to assemble it!
(03-07-2017 11:45 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2017 10:42 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]So I did some quick statistical research on both Keane and Wilder...
After 31 games this season (stats on NCAA only through 3/5) Keene plays an average of 36.6 minutes PER GAME... Wilder over same course played 31.5 minutes PER GAME... Thats over a 5 minute per game difference ... I mean.. holy crap, Keene is only off the floor for just over 3 minutes a game... Is that nuts? No wonder he leads the NCAA in points per game...
Heres some other stats between these two guys:
Field Goals Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 700
Thomas Wilder: 408
Free Throws Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 254
Thomas Wilder: 186
Now Keene DOES have 40 more assists than Wilder over those 31 games... even though he played about 155 more minutes over that span... If you do the math Keene actually averaged MORE assists per minute than Wilder... But that shot differential sets a pretty huge tone... Hard to believe Keene can take that many shots and still give off that many assists.
CMU is 4th in the nation in offensive possessions total: 79.7/game
WMU is 164th : 72.0/game
Last three games:
CMU: 83.5/game
WMU: 72.8/game
Stats don't lie... Keene is on the floor longer, takes more shots and CMU has more possessions due to poor defense... Recipe for individual success but team failure.
Nice work. 
Good job on posting these interesting stats. CMU has two very good guards in Keene and Rayson but that's it....no inside game at all. Great example was Friday vs. the Broncos. If they aren't filling it up, the Chips are really bad.
How many games in the last 2-3 weeks have they given up 100 pts. or more, including a whopping 25 pts. in OT against Kent last night?
Defense still wins games, especially during March Madness. Offense is fun for the fans but it doesn't put W's on your record in tournament play.
And Rayson and Keene are now gone. CMU might be even worse next year.
(03-07-2017 01:19 PM)BrownandGoldforever Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2017 11:45 AM)Hoekjeness Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2017 10:42 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]So I did some quick statistical research on both Keane and Wilder...
After 31 games this season (stats on NCAA only through 3/5) Keene plays an average of 36.6 minutes PER GAME... Wilder over same course played 31.5 minutes PER GAME... Thats over a 5 minute per game difference ... I mean.. holy crap, Keene is only off the floor for just over 3 minutes a game... Is that nuts? No wonder he leads the NCAA in points per game...
Heres some other stats between these two guys:
Field Goals Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 700
Thomas Wilder: 408
Free Throws Attempted:
Marcus Keene: 254
Thomas Wilder: 186
Now Keene DOES have 40 more assists than Wilder over those 31 games... even though he played about 155 more minutes over that span... If you do the math Keene actually averaged MORE assists per minute than Wilder... But that shot differential sets a pretty huge tone... Hard to believe Keene can take that many shots and still give off that many assists.
CMU is 4th in the nation in offensive possessions total: 79.7/game
WMU is 164th : 72.0/game
Last three games:
CMU: 83.5/game
WMU: 72.8/game
Stats don't lie... Keene is on the floor longer, takes more shots and CMU has more possessions due to poor defense... Recipe for individual success but team failure.
Nice work.
Good job on posting these interesting stats. CMU has two very good guards in Keene and Rayson but that's it....no inside game at all. Great example was Friday vs. the Broncos. If they aren't filling it up, the Chips are really bad.
How many games in the last 2-3 weeks have they given up 100 pts. or more, including a whopping 25 pts. in OT against Kent last night?
Defense still wins games, especially during March Madness. Offense is fun for the fans but it doesn't put W's on your record in tournament play.
And Rayson and Keene are now gone. CMU might be even worse next year.
Their coach might be following them out the door with a new AD coming in. Bono may be on the hot seat too. Wouldn't be surprised if cmu has a new b ball and football coach come 2018.
Well, it starts at the top and Davis' teams ranked last in the MAC in defensive efficiency in 4 of the last 5 years, according to a graphic on the broadcast.
I don't think that the man knows how to coach defense.
(03-07-2017 06:24 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it starts at the top and Davis' teams ranked last in the MAC in defensive efficiency in 4 of the last 5 years, according to a graphic on the broadcast.
I don't think that the man knows how to coach defense.
This ^. I think it's weird how people blame Central's offense for their lack of success when the numbers say it's the defense that is at the bottom of the league. I think the version of this argument that might make sense is that in order to play CMU's offensive style effectively, you have to recruit personnel that don't play much defense (e.g. small, offensive 1s and 2s, strech 4s that don't rebound or d up much).
Also, I think Keene has had a really really good season (not my POY though). I don't think CMU would be any better if they played a less Keene-centric offense.
(03-07-2017 08:37 PM)HaymondAtThe4 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2017 06:24 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it starts at the top and Davis' teams ranked last in the MAC in defensive efficiency in 4 of the last 5 years, according to a graphic on the broadcast.
I don't think that the man knows how to coach defense.
This ^. I think it's weird how people blame Central's offense for their lack of success when the numbers say it's the defense that is at the bottom of the league. I think the version of this argument that might make sense is that in order to play CMU's offensive style effectively, you have to recruit personnel that don't play much defense (e.g. small, offensive 1s and 2s, strech 4s that don't rebound or d up much).
Also, I think Keene has had a really really good season (not my POY though). I don't think CMU would be any better if they played a less Keene-centric offense.
I don't know. I think they might have beaten us last week if only Keene and the other guy had kept shooting.
On a related note, CMU is apparently turning down all postseason invitations:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../98909816/
I know the whole postseason basketball tournaments are a debatable topic even among us, but I hate this. Sends a terrible message to your players and fans IMO.
(03-08-2017 02:52 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote: [ -> ]On a related note, CMU is apparently turning down all postseason invitations:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/.../98909816/
I know the whole postseason basketball tournaments are a debatable topic even among us, but I hate this. Sends a terrible message to your players and fans IMO.
HaHa. CMU can say whatever they want on that score. How many invitations will a .500 MAC team that finished 2nd to last in the conference get anyway?
Alphabet Soup tournaments wouldn't want CMU, they'd want Keene because he'd been in SI.
Just shows how lame those irrelevant Post-Season games are.
Frankly - I applaud CMU for saying "no."
(03-08-2017 06:19 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: [ -> ]Alphabet Soup tournaments wouldn't want CMU, they'd want Keene because he'd been in SI.
Just shows how lame those irrelevant Post-Season games are.
Frankly - I applaud CMU for saying "no."
I hope WMU turns any irrelevant post season tournament invitations as well. NIT would be acceptable because the quality of competition would be a tad better but I don't think WMU will get that invite unless they make it to the finals of the MAC Tourney and lose.
With all the frosh players a couple games in any tourney will be helpful next year
(03-09-2017 12:09 PM)Nacho Wrote: [ -> ] (03-08-2017 06:19 PM)MajorHoople Wrote: [ -> ]Alphabet Soup tournaments wouldn't want CMU, they'd want Keene because he'd been in SI.
Just shows how lame those irrelevant Post-Season games are.
Frankly - I applaud CMU for saying "no."
I hope WMU turns any irrelevant post season tournament invitations as well. NIT would be acceptable because the quality of competition would be a tad better but I don't think WMU will get that invite unless they make it to the finals of the MAC Tourney and lose.
Unless it's the NIT, the other postseason tournaments are good from an exposure standpoint but not from a cost one....unless you get a home date. CMU might think with their bad record that they would probably have to go on the road whether it's a CBI or CIT tourney game and the cost wouldn't be worth it.
(03-07-2017 02:21 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2017 01:19 PM)BrownandGoldforever Wrote: [ -> ]And Rayson and Keene are now gone. CMU might be even worse next year.
Keene is a junior.
Thanks for the correction. CMU loses a good guard in Rayson and the Chips won't have much help for Keene again next season....unless either a freshman or transfer comes in and contributes right away.