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Which would add even more meat to the infamous airport conference between Clinton and Lynch

(03-04-2017 10:17 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

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(03-04-2017 10:03 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]The response was awful. So easy to see through. He would have been better off going silent.

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Agree. But as we've seen time and time again - the power of the President's tweets. These dopes fall for it every time.

Ok. Some of you guys aren't making any sense. First you say that since there is no response and he and his people are silent then he must be guilty. When he does responds which is a simple no I didn't do it. It's not true then he's guilty. Wouldn't it be easier to just wait for the hard evidence?

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But Obama didn't wait for the hard evidence, but instead showed his hand. Sad mistake.

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By making a statement the the accusations are false? How is that a mistake?

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He did not say it didn't happen, he said he didn't order it.

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(03-04-2017 10:17 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:10 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:03 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]The response was awful. So easy to see through. He would have been better off going silent.

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Agree. But as we've seen time and time again - the power of the President's tweets. These dopes fall for it every time.

Ok. Some of you guys aren't making any sense. First you say that since there is no response and he and his people are silent then he must be guilty. When he does responds which is a simple no I didn't do it. It's not true then he's guilty. Wouldn't it be easier to just wait for the hard evidence?

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But Obama didn't wait for the hard evidence, but instead showed his hand. Sad mistake.

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By making a statement the the accusations are false? How is that a mistake?

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Read the actual words and don't read into the words...

they did not state that the accusations were false.

They said only stated that neither Obama nor the Whitehouse "ordered" the surveillance.

They did not state that they had no knowledge of it, received info from it nor involvement in it.

A blanket denial would've been "President Obama nor the Whitehouse had no knowledge of nor role at any time in the surveillance of Trump Tower."

You have to think about what they did not say. It's total "Lawyer Speak."

(03-04-2017 10:26 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:17 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:10 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 10:05 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: [ -> ]Agree. But as we've seen time and time again - the power of the President's tweets. These dopes fall for it every time.

Ok. Some of you guys aren't making any sense. First you say that since there is no response and he and his people are silent then he must be guilty. When he does responds which is a simple no I didn't do it. It's not true then he's guilty. Wouldn't it be easier to just wait for the hard evidence?

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But Obama didn't wait for the hard evidence, but instead showed his hand. Sad mistake.

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By making a statement the the accusations are false? How is that a mistake?

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He did not say it didn't happen, he said he didn't order it.

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Exactly. It's lawyer speak narrowly crafted so that on it's specific language it is a true statement.

He also did not deny that he knew about it or used info from it.

Yea, the wording was suspect the moment it came out. We know the FBI / Justice Department would be responsible for formally ordering it. Trump nor I nor anyone else would believe Obama showed up to FISA court to order a wiretap on the opposition party. I told you all Obamas wording was "Clintonian."

Now he's going to get pressed on it, but fortunately for him, he can hide behind his spokesman who simply "misspoke".

(03-04-2017 10:28 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]Yea, the wording was suspect the moment it came out. We know the FBI / Justice Department would be responsible for formally ordering it. Trump nor I nor anyone else would believe Obama showed up to FISA court to order a wiretap on the opposition party. I told you all Obamas wording was "Clintonian."

Now he's going to get pressed on it, but fortunately for him, he can hide behind his spokesman who simply "misspoke".

And the statement on its merits is likely technically true. Neither Obama nor someone in the Whitehouse placed the order. Lynch did the ordering.

Sorry if this was already posted but here is the full statement from Obama's spokesman:

Quote:No Obama administration official interfered in Justice Department investigations or ordered surveillance on any American, much less President Trump, a spokesman for former President Barack Obama said Saturday.

"A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Obama spokesman Kevin Lewis said in a statement.

"As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen," he added. "Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."

Wiretap Connection

Stop the nonsense. DOJ would not be requesting FISA to monitor a presidential candidate, during election year, without White House in loop.

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(03-04-2017 10:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Stop the nonsense. DOJ would not be requesting FISA to monitor a presidential candidate, during election year, without White House in loop.

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Yep

It was just reported on Fox that someone from the Obama administration has admitted that the wiretapping occurred.

If we can step back from partisanship for a moment.....

I have no idea what is and what is not the truth of this current situation. But let's say for a moment it did not happen.

That said.

IT WILL HAPPEN if we continue to allow secret courts with secret warrants and secret searches. It WILL HAPPEN to some Presidential campaign of some party. Power is abused. Secret power is really, really, abused.

We have to do something to make sure that we have no Star Chambers making secret rulings that nobody is allowed to talk about.

gotta love that patriot act

(03-04-2017 06:45 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 06:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 05:59 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]Can somebody from the FBI make a public statement about this? Everybody is saying sources but how do we know that the sources are true?

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You know it's true because no one is saying other wise. Sometimes what's not said is just as good as what it.

Why would anyone be surprised about this. How do you think they got that info on Mike Flynn?

So I guess the silence is broken?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us...hones.html

A spokesman for Mr. Obama said any suggestion that the former president had ordered such surveillance was “simply false.”

Mr. Trump’s aides declined to clarify whether the president’s explosive allegations were based on briefings from intelligence or law enforcement officials — which could mean that Mr. Trump was revealing previously unknown details about an investigation — or on something else, like a news report.

His decision to lend the power of his office to such a charged claim against his predecessor — without offering any initial proof — was remarkable, even for a leader who has repeatedly shown himself willing to make assertions that are false or based on dubious sources.

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"Ordered it"

no one has suggested that, or would expect that. Mildly clever word parse, but inconsequential.

What did he KNOW, and when did he know it?

(03-04-2017 07:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 05:59 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]Can somebody from the FBI make a public statement about this? Everybody is saying sources but how do we know that the sources are true?

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Fake news coming from the far right KKK and racist white supremacists who never liked Obama because he is half black. They have been spreading lies and fake news about him ever since he was elected. Many of these people contribute to Breitbart. That is why Breitbart is considered fake news and should not be taken seriously because of people who are racists and xenophobes towards others. It is full of hatred towards blacks, gays, Latinos, Native Americans, Asians, Arabs, Jews, Women and disabled people. You guys need to stop reading that racists site. It is sad that the main stream media pick up stories from that racist site.

When you say fake news, do you mean like- a UTube video caused a terrorist attack?

The very dawning of Fake News?!?

(03-04-2017 05:45 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]No evidence Trump Tower was tapped? Where's your evidence? Brritbart?

Evidence of the Rooskies phishing the idiot podestrian?

(03-04-2017 09:33 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 09:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 08:38 PM)pcm0103 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2017 08:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]For all of those who are wondering if Trump was really wire tapped or not, reports are starting to trickle in from sources that it did happen. Of course, when Obama put out his half-ass statement rife with Clintonian speak, we should have known that would be the case.

So if these sources are so credible why hasn't someone from the white house made an official statement about it and present the evidence?

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We've been waiting for 3 months for your side to present evidence about Russia.

And no evidence is needed when Obama is basically admitting this happened.

We probably need to see Obama pulled to congress to testify under oath about the loosening of NSA rules in the final days in office.

I will find my posts were I said that evidence need to be presented about Russia. I agree with you on that. Also please show me were Pres. Obama admitted to wire tap.

I'm sorry but just saying that sources said this and that is not enough.

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No ones gonna find zerO's finger prints on this. Ever.

But, if true, it's his Admin. So someones needs a jailin'. I'll start with A-hole benroads.

(03-04-2017 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]So someone had probable cause! Congrats Repubs, you voted for a traitor.

*giggles*

The point is the FBI requested it, not Obama. Plus, it is a known fact that the Russian diplomats have been wiretapped for years long before Obama ever went into office. Trump's idiots on his staff and team nailed themselves.

(03-05-2017 03:08 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]The point is the FBI requested it, not Obama. Plus, it is a known fact that the Russian diplomats have been wiretapped for years long before Obama ever went into office. Trump's idiots on his staff and team nailed themselves.

Are you truly that naive? There is no way in hell this was not cleared by someone in the white house. The FBI did not do thid on their own. I'm sure it was twice removed from President Obama so he could say it wasn't me. But he was asked by someone close to him and you can bet the farm on that. Proving it is another thing.

It's not the Russian's that was wire tapped but the Trump's offices. Caught? Care to share any information on that? Because to get caught means someone was breaking a law. There is no other reason for a wiretap to be issued on something like this unless they thought our laws were being broke. So who got caught and how?

(03-05-2017 12:32 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]It was just reported on Fox that someone from the Obama administration has admitted that the wiretapping occurred.

RIP