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The situation looks bleak for FCS. No self respecting FCS school will want to stay if the division loses five or ten top attendance teams.
(02-16-2017 07:19 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The situation looks bleak for FCS. No self respecting FCS school will want to stay if the division loses five or ten top attendance teams.

Well you've got your path to FBS, if you want it. And you think you can schedule it.
(02-16-2017 04:51 PM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 04:47 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 04:43 PM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 04:39 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]Well....here comes the floodgates now for Wichita St, UTRGV, JMU.....

nah.....none of those can afford to make a move w/o SOME revenue and regional opponent.

NCAA just basically gave Liberty a waiver because they can afford to lose millions/year.

Sorry...I didn't mean JMU....NDSU. Wichita St wanting FBS football can now go FBS indy.

much more likely that Witchita will replace UConn in the AAC.

NDSU does not have unlimited pockets. They are landlocked until a conference invites them.


I don't think North Dakota State will have a hard time to find schools to play them. The Big 10 might classify them as a P5 school because of their football team could beat P5 schools every year lately.
Great day to be a Liberty fan! Thanks for all the congratulations and positive feelings! To the rest, I guess haters gonna hate.

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(02-16-2017 07:19 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The situation looks bleak for FCS. No self respecting FCS school will want to stay if the division loses five or ten top attendance teams.


This could open up spots for the top D2 football schools to move up. If the Southland loses 3 to 4 teams to FBS? There are Delta State, Central Oklahoma, Arkansas Tech, Tarleton State, West Texas A&M, Texas A&M-Commerce, Texas A&M-Kingsville, Harding, Midwestern State, UTPB and some others to move up. This could open spots up for Bentley, Merrimack and some others in the northeast to move. Some of the Penn. schools could move up as well.
(02-16-2017 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:19 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The situation looks bleak for FCS. No self respecting FCS school will want to stay if the division loses five or ten top attendance teams.

Well you've got your path to FBS, if you want it. And you think you can schedule it.

A whole conference move is much more feasible than a single school. Look for major FCS attendance schools to realign in another conference, like the WAC. Liberty has the resources to go it alone. Most high attendance FCS schools will need conference help by other schools in the same predicament. Been thinking much of the CAA was looking to move to FBS without a move. Army and UMASS could join them as affiliates.
(02-16-2017 07:45 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:19 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The situation looks bleak for FCS. No self respecting FCS school will want to stay if the division loses five or ten top attendance teams.

Well you've got your path to FBS, if you want it. And you think you can schedule it.

A whole conference move is much more feasible than a single school. Look for major FCS attendance schools to realign in another conference, like the WAC. Liberty has the resources to go it alone. Most high attendance FCS schools will need conference help by other schools in the same predicament. Been thinking much of the CAA was looking to move to FBS without a move. Army and UMASS could join them as affiliates.

I guess you were right afterall. Must have secret contacts in the NCAA.

07-coffee3
(02-16-2017 07:45 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:19 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The situation looks bleak for FCS. No self respecting FCS school will want to stay if the division loses five or ten top attendance teams.

Well you've got your path to FBS, if you want it. And you think you can schedule it.

A whole conference move is much more feasible than a single school. Look for major FCS attendance schools to realign in another conference, like the WAC. Liberty has the resources to go it alone. Most high attendance FCS schools will need conference help by other schools in the same predicament. Been thinking much of the CAA was looking to move to FBS without a move. Army and UMASS could join them as affiliates.

If CAA wants that? Could they also bring along Eastern Kentucky and Youngstown State in case some of the CAA schools can't move up? Villanova and William and Mary might go to the Patriot League, and Richmond not sure where they will go to. Maine and URI could go to the northeast.
(02-16-2017 07:48 PM)Kittonhead Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:45 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 07:19 PM)NoDak Wrote: [ -> ]The situation looks bleak for FCS. No self respecting FCS school will want to stay if the division loses five or ten top attendance teams.

Well you've got your path to FBS, if you want it. And you think you can schedule it.

A whole conference move is much more feasible than a single school. Look for major FCS attendance schools to realign in another conference, like the WAC. Liberty has the resources to go it alone. Most high attendance FCS schools will need conference help by other schools in the same predicament. Been thinking much of the CAA was looking to move to FBS without a move. Army and UMASS could join them as affiliates.

I guess you were right afterall. Must have secret contacts in the NCAA.

07-coffee3

No. Just an observer who takes big time notice at stadium expansions beyond 15k.
Liberty should be ashamed of themselves for hiring that creep of an AD. He is no better than Art Briles.
(02-16-2017 07:40 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Great day to be a Liberty fan! Thanks for all the congratulations and positive feelings! To the rest, I guess haters gonna hate.

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Yeah, if only we could all go to a school founded by a TV preacher. 07-coffee3
I guess you are disappointed the Dutch Reform Church didn't have television in Rutgers' early days.
(02-16-2017 04:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]I'm guessing Liberty will remain in the Big South. Just indy in football.


Big South (FCS) football still has Charleston Southern. That team has been really good the last couple years. And I suppose they'll continue that until their coach is poached by a larger fish.
Charleston Southern coach left to be OC at Coastal Carolina in January.

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(02-16-2017 05:34 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]UConn (nor UMass) will likely never schedule Liberty, nor will Cal, Texas, Michigan, Virginia, Duke, UNC, Georgia, Florida, Wisconsin, Stanford, Kansas, Missouri, Miami, Tennessee, or any number of liberal leaning campuses (e.g., the Ohio and Michigan MAC schools). It's just inviting protests and controversy. If there is one thing University Presidents want to avoid it is campus wide protests - whether real or imagined. I can see Conferences like the P12, B1G and ACC quietly instituting a black listing of Liberty, without ever saying anything in public. GCU ran into that with the Pac-12, Liberty could see a national version of that.

As for UConn an Independent, it requires FOX to come up with a package similar to Army has from CBS or BYU from ESPN, along with Bowl access and help scheduling a few P5 opponents (maybe an annual neutral game guaranteed in Foxborough or Fenway, or Yankee Stadium or Meadowlands; I do think the B1G would be open to help, given the FOX connection). But does FOX want to bother? That is a lot of extra work for adding one BE school. Unless and until FOX decides to do that, this is just fan talk, going nowhere.

So in other words "liberalism" actually means throw a tantrum because some other entity has a different point of view? I would venture to the one poster who coined "conservative ignorance" that we call actions that you are describing as what may happen nothing but "leftist" ignorance.
Well I guess this is another step to closing the gap of 5-7 schools in bowl games.
(02-16-2017 08:13 PM)SlyFox Wrote: [ -> ]I guess you are disappointed the Dutch Reform Church didn't have television in Rutgers' early days.

I'd bet straight up money that Liberty would beat Rutgers in football in 2017, 18 and 19.
(02-16-2017 04:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a lawsuit averted more than anything else. I think it nudges the P5 a little closer to their own division, given the weakness of the NCAA to be any kind of a barrier.

It will be interesting to see if hey can schedule. Will Falwell try to sue schools that refuse to schedule the Flames?
You nailed it. No conference wanted LU after years of arm twisting, major upgrades of facilities and overt, over the top actions by JFJr and his ego driven prez posture.

However, to the naysayers, don't underestimate the LU commitment for FBS football to be THE brand of the school. JFJr, like his dad, realized that sports would be the fastest means to have LU grow and become known. The limited LU FB past success (1 FCS playoff appearance) will likely steamroll a cash commitment to add higher profile coaching hires and attract higher caliber players.
(02-16-2017 04:55 PM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-16-2017 04:51 PM)connecticutguy Wrote: [ -> ]Just because Liberty has a strong online program, doesn't mean it's a sub-par university. And we should especially avoid negative comments because it is a university that teaches religious-based values/traditions. When recruiting, I think they might be able to draw from the large U.S. Evangelical community -- which includes many fine athletes. And those fans may be very loyal to the team. Best of luck to them! Maybe they will defeat ND and BYU some day!!

Liberty was about to go bankrupt and go under until Falwell died and left an insurance policy to them. They were also about to lose their accreditation.

Academically strong, they are not.......not at all.

That being said, good on them for selling diplomas. It's been a profitable model.
JMU2004, it may be best for you to cheer the LU FBS waiver. It gives JMU fans hope or does the school have an invite on the horizon?
(02-16-2017 07:02 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]What is the minimum attendance benchmark for FBS these days?

I note that in 2015, Liberty was #6 in the FCS with average home attendance of 18,990. (#1 Montana had #24K, #4 JMU had 19,498)...

But a lot of the schools on the list of potential call-ups were in the 10K range...or less. That doesn't sound like enough support to merit FBS consideration. Probably cut that list by at least half and probably two-thirds.

YNOT,
Can you see BYU scheduling Liberty in football H&H? I can see some reasons on why they might. First off, where is located. (Virginia) your LDS, you'll know the significance. 2. Political reasons. 3. Both of you are Indy. Thoughts?

Cheers!
I wouldn't put it past BYU to sign a 2-for-1 with us once we get our stadium expansion completed. Yes, there is a small Mormon college near Lynchburg. Late season scheduling has always been a beast so having a late game with another indy who has similar challenges has its possibilities.

In the news conference today, we learned that the Big South presidents will vote on whether to keep LU in the fold in the coming weeks around the hoops tourneys. It is not a slam dunk that they will let us stay. But I think it should happen.
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