So quoting Dennis Dodd on twitter
http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...obstacles/
A lot of interesting points about the financial realities of G5 FB. Frazier notes:
"It's the truth: We don't have an access [point] to the playoff," Frazier said. "The reality is when you say it publicly."
Frazier says 33 percent of his budget is balanced on the backs of student fees attached to tuition. While that's not rare at the mid-major level, it may not be sustainable.
"Right now, I'm not making any money. I'm paying money. I'm trying to figure out how to keep up with the Ohio States, the Michigans, and the Wisconsins, which is a pipe dream," he said.
From planet American:
"Zero interest in the concept," said Aresco, who has added on many occasions his belief the American is the sixth power conference.
(well 10 of 12 AAC members did apply to join the B12).
However reality probably best summed up here:
"The CFP does provide more to every Group of Five institution," Florida Atlantic AD Patrick Chun said. "The other reality is, I don't know if the Group of Five is that unified to get all five conference involved."
I think Frazier will get his wish, they'll talk about it. But I doubt his $160m valuation holds up. Networks will pay for P5 content, they will not pay for G5 (exception when one or two teams get hot, they'll pick up a game or two, like Houston this last year)
This monumentally stupid idea needs to die, now. Pull the plug on it.
Expand to 6 or 8 if needed, but there is no point in providing any more credence to the artificial P5 - G5 divide. The money is a real enough issue, along with bowl access and playoff access.
(02-13-2017 04:37 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote: [ -> ]This monumentally stupid idea needs to die, now. Pull the plug on it.
Expand to 6 or 8 if needed, but there is no point in providing any more credence to the artificial P5 - G5 divide. The money is a real enough issue, along with bowl access and playoff access.
I agree.
The very real fact is that some G5 football programs spend closer to FCS than P5. On the other hand, some G5 spend closer to P5 than FCS.
Don't think you can unify all of G5 around this idea. Only those that want to be FBS, without spending P5 level money, but want to make sure they're still better than FCS.
(02-13-2017 04:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]The very real fact is that some G5 football programs spend closer to FCS than P5. On the other hand, some G5 spend closer to P5 than FCS.
Don't think you can unify all of G5 around this idea. Only those that want to be FBS, without spending P5 level money, but want to make sure they're still better than FCS.
Agreed. And as a fan of the G5 that spends the most (and more than some P5), I say hell no.
Just for fun, here's how a Group of Five playoff would have looked in 2016.
No. 1 Western Michigan vs. No. 8 Western Kentucky No. 3 Navy vs. No. 6 Houston
No. 4 South Florida vs. No. 5 San Diego State No. 2 Temple vs. No. 7 Boise State
BS No Sun Belt team in playoffs
(02-13-2017 04:59 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Just for fun, here's how a Group of Five playoff would have looked in 2016.
No. 1 Western Michigan vs. No. 8 Western Kentucky No. 3 Navy vs. No. 6 Houston
No. 4 South Florida vs. No. 5 San Diego State No. 2 Temple vs. No. 7 Boise State
BS No Sun Belt team in playoffs
If there WAS a G5 playoff, it would have to include conference champs, or no go.
One MAC, One C-USA and the rest MWC/AAC is not an improvement
50% AAC. DOA w/o their participation. Don't see it anytime soon as they have, on average, more healthy athletic departments at this time. Not that they don't need money 'cuz they do. But, by and large, their fiscal situations are better than most.
No. We are FBS and that's the end of it.
I can take being unfairly excluded from our rightful place.....I cannot tolerate voluntarily accepting a 'separate but equal" system.
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This is how it needs to be to work, a eight team playoff made up of:
American Champion
Mid America Champion
Conference USA Champion
Mountain West Champion
Sun Belt Champion
First highest ranked none conference champion.
Second highest ranked none conference champion.
Third highest ranked none conference champion.
On the downside, Group of Five would no longer be a 1A member, stuck between 1A and 1AA. Question would it be worth it?
(02-13-2017 05:26 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote: [ -> ]This is how it needs to be to work, a eight team playoff made up of:
American Champion
Mid America Champion
Conference USA Champion
Mountain West Champion
Sun Belt Champion
First highest ranked none conference champion.
Second highest ranked none conference champion.
Third highest ranked none conference champion.
On the downside, Group of Five would no longer be a 1A member, stuck between 1A and 1AA. Question would it be worth it?
No. We are FBS. People need to stop trying to demote themselves for dollars.
Once again, I say that if he wants playoffs so badly he can drop out of the MAC and move to the FCS.
(02-13-2017 05:45 PM)uakronkid Wrote: [ -> ]Once again, I say that if he wants playoffs so badly he can drop out of the MAC and move to the FCS.
Yup. Any program no longer interested in the FBS bowl/4-team playoff system is free to move to FCS. 24 playoff teams, autobids for every conference that wants one. Why create a third football subdivision within Division I?
A g5 playoff is just plain stupid. Just give up and go 1aa.
A G5 Championship game or playoff would more than likely end up with one or both teams, in any given game, without a coach.
Riveting... given the extremes that could have (sarcasm).
P4 plus new subdivision is the only viable formula. We need a P4 first.
(02-13-2017 06:13 PM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]A g5 playoff is just plain stupid. Just give up and go 1aa.
This.
I'll support a G5 playoff if it meant...
Recruits start coming to G5 schools in a big way
Lots more tv time
More money
Increased fan support in the stands
Then hell yeah !
I believe if Houston had not shot themselves in the foot last season, they would have been in the CFP.
The G5 would give up $135-$150 million in CFP/bowl money. Is a G5 playoff going to replace that?
Houston didn't shoot them selves in the foot, I think it was more like injuries and 5 games in 29 days